Terrorist sympathiser here....... (8 Viewers)

[Malaka]

It's all about a gas pipe line

Picked this up in the aussie news


http://www.news.com.au/world/middle...t/news-story/74efcba9554c10bd35e280b63a9afb74


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fascinating read. I am pretty sure that the Gulf war was over oil going to besold in Euros instead of dollars, which would have totally wrecked the US ecconomy and the value of the dollar

 

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[mrtrench]

I hate to upset all your drama queening but he didn't call everyone who disagreed with bombing a terrorist sympathiser. He said "“You should not be walking through the lobbies with Jeremy Corbyn and a bunch of terrorist sympathisers,”

Referring I should imagine to Corbyn, McDonnell and Livingstone's recent and not so recent comments about terror organisations.

Still, best to ignore the facts and have a tizzy eh?

 

[chiefdave]

I hate to upset all your drama queening but he didn't call everyone who disagreed with bombing a terrorist sympathiser. He said "“You should not be walking through the lobbies with Jeremy Corbyn and a bunch of terrorist sympathisers,”

Referring I should imagine to Corbyn, McDonnell and Livingstone's recent and not so recent comments about terror organisations.

Still, best to ignore the facts and have a tizzy eh?

If that was the case then why, when repeatedly asked to apologise to everyone, did he not just clarify what he said and who it was targetted at?

 

[lifeskyblue]

And clearly senior conservatives believed that Cameron was including ALL who intended to vote against air strikes. As boris Johnson made clear today 'the pm was right not to have apologised for describing opponents of air strikes as terrorist-sympathisers'


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[Joy Division]

I hate to upset all your drama queening but he didn't call everyone who disagreed with bombing a terrorist sympathiser. He said "“You should not be walking through the lobbies with Jeremy Corbyn and a bunch of terrorist sympathisers,”

Referring I should imagine to Corbyn, McDonnell and Livingstone's recent and not so recent comments about terror organisations.

Still, best to ignore the facts and have a tizzy eh?

Which comments were those?

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

Which comments were those?

starter for 10 : http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...r-stupid-question-time-comments-a3127121.html

And your bonus: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...rbyn-and-John-McDonnells-close-IRA-links.html

 

[mrtrench]

And here is a report from a left wing paper on what Cameron actually said: http://www.theguardian.com/politics...accuses-corbyn-of-being-terrorist-sympathiser

 

[rondog1973]

I hate to upset all your drama queening but he didn't call everyone who disagreed with bombing a terrorist sympathiser. He said "“You should not be walking through the lobbies with Jeremy Corbyn and a bunch of terrorist sympathisers,”

Referring I should imagine to Corbyn, McDonnell and Livingstone's recent and not so recent comments about terror organisations.

Still, best to ignore the facts and have a tizzy eh?

You don't think think Cameron was implying with his remarks that objection to bombing equalled terrorist sympathies?

As has been pointed out, if this wasn't the intention, he should have clarified this then and since as he has had ample opportunity to do so, but his refusal to offer anything is very telling indeed.

Still, best ignore this when delivering condescending drivel eh?

 

[mrtrench]

You don't think think Cameron was implying with his remarks that objection to bombing equalled terrorist sympathies?

As has been pointed out, if this wasn't the intention, he should have clarified this then and since as he has had ample opportunity to do so, but his refusal to offer anything is very telling indeed.

Still, best ignore this when delivering condescending drivel eh?

You can read implications into anything you like sweetie. I'll stick to what they say.

 

[chiefdave]

You can read implications into anything you like sweetie. I'll stick to what they say.

Put yourself in Cameron's position. You're surrounded by numerous spin doctors and PR people advising you. You've made a comment that is drawing huge amounts of criticism because it has not been correctly interpreted.

Would you:
a) say nothing and refuse to apologise
b) clarify what you mean.

 

[rondog1973]

You can read implications into anything you like sweetie. I'll stick to what they say.

Really going for the full Michael Winner ensemble here aren't you fella, and sounding as ludicrous as he used to too.

 

[Macca]

There seems to be little appetite for this action from the public at the moment. Will be interesting to say if and how that changes when the attacks become more despicable and closer to home.

 

[rob9872]

There seems to be little appetite for this action from the public at the moment. Will be interesting to say if and how that changes when the attacks become more despicable and closer to home.

Nah, they'll blame it on the airstrikes and say it's as a direct result of them. No pleasing the soft centres.

 

[Ian1779]

I hate to upset all your drama queening but he didn't call everyone who disagreed with bombing a terrorist sympathiser. He said "“You should not be walking through the lobbies with Jeremy Corbyn and a bunch of terrorist sympathisers,”

Referring I should imagine to Corbyn, McDonnell and Livingstone's recent and not so recent comments about terror organisations.

Still, best to ignore the facts and have a tizzy eh?

Do you mean ignore something like Cameron ignored the question of financial sanctions on Saudi Arabia and other stater that trade with ISIS?

 

[rob9872]

Just to be clear, you don't want to go to war with Syria, but will happily antagonise our trade partners around the globe to meet your own moral compass?

 

[lifeskyblue]

Certainly don't want to go to war with anyone. Regarding Isis in Syria ...if only the west had stood up to the Saudis re the funding if Isis the action we now face might not have been required


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[mrtrench]

Just to be clear, you don't want to go to war with Syria, but will happily antagonise our trade partners around the globe to meet your own moral compass?

Honestly, I think this is a weak argument. Many innocent people will be maimed and killed by the bombing. Compared to upsetting some trade partners it's a no brainer (at least for me) which is the imperative. I don't actually agree with the bombing myself as a panacea - possibly in combination with a strong ground force and stopping their funding - but even that's not going to stop the sleepers. My point actually is I'm fed up to the back-teeth with all the propaganda and quarter-truths being flaunted around by left wing drama queens on every topic under the sun. All the memes with misattributed quotes from Cameron; all the recession-denial; all the hyperbole around the NHS and so on. They may fool some but it's wrong and I detest it.

 

[Ian1779]

Just to be clear, you don't want to go to war with Syria, but will happily antagonise our trade partners around the globe to meet your own moral compass?

If our 'trade partners' are selling arms to ISIS or allowing oil to be sold on their behalf then I think something a little stronger than antagonising is necessary

 

[Ian1779]

My point actually is I'm fed up to the back-teeth with all the propaganda and quarter-truths being flaunted around by left wing drama queens on every topic under the sun. All the memes with misattributed quotes from Cameron; all the recession-denial; all the hyperbole around the NHS and so on. They may fool some but it's wrong and I detest it.

With respect the majority of our mainstream is so far right wing that I'm surprised they have met them on the way back round.

 

[Macca]

With respect the majority of our mainstream is so far right wing that I'm surprised they have met them on the way back round.

That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time

 

[mrtrench]

With respect the majority of our mainstream is so far right wing that I'm surprised they have met them on the way back round.

I guess on balance you are correct, The Mail, The Express et al annoy me just as much. But Facebook and any chat site I've been to is crammed to the gunnels with rude and aggressive left wingers spouting complete bollocks and name-calling anyone who disagree with them. I can easily avoid the crappy newspapers but I cannot avoid the countless lying Cameron memes 'liked' by my friends on FB.

In August when I was in Edinburgh, I walked past some men selling the Socialist Worker. They were shouting "Labour didn't cause the recession - the Tories did". I thought better of asking them on what basis they could possibly reach that conclusion.

 

[chiefdave]

With respect the majority of our mainstream is so far right wing that I'm surprised they have met them on the way back round.

Its getting to the point where you don't even need to parody the mainstream press anymore, they do it themselves.

This week I've seen front pages headlines saying Corbyn is bringing Britain to the brink of war by allowing a free vote, Corbyn putting Labour MPs directly in danger by allowing them to vote for air strikes!

Thats before you even consider the coverage of the by election. Prior to the vote it was framed as a statement on Corby's leadership. After a Labour win with a record vote share its all about the MP and nothing to do with Corbyn.

On the one hand I think its so obvious its not having any impact but everyday I see people regurgitate these sort of headlines as facts.

 

[mrtrench]

On the one hand I think its so obvious its not having any impact but everyday I see people regurgitate these sort of headlines as facts.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the average man. It's very sad but unfortunately true.

 

[Ian1779]

I guess on balance you are correct, The Mail, The Express et al annoy me just as much. But Facebook and any chat site I've been to is crammed to the gunnels with rude and aggressive left wingers spouting complete bollocks and name-calling anyone who disagree with them. I can easily avoid the crappy newspapers but I cannot avoid the countless lying Cameron memes 'liked' by my friends on FB.

It's an interesting point you raise. The media is generally right-wing, with social media definitely the popular place of the left-wing. I wonder what and how that will translate in the ballot box.

 

[martcov]

It's an interesting point you raise. The media is generally right-wing, with social media definitely the popular place of the left-wing. I wonder what and how that will translate in the ballot box.

I live in Germany and at the moment I am getting right wing and pro Putin stuff shared by acquaintances and others from Facebook groups. My "left wing" mate even shared a RT report that Putins bombs killed 600 terrorists and no civilians- unlike the US who hit a hospital in Afghanistan. The right and pro Putin agree that Germany is an occupied country carrying out the whims of the US. Many right wing want Germany to swap alliance from the West to Russia. In comparison German state TV and The press is mild, and the right complain of the "Lügenpresse" ( lying press ) - as did Göbels did ( or rather the "Bolschewikpresse" at that time ).

 

[mrtrench]

I live in Germany and at the moment I am getting right wing and pro Putin stuff shared by acquaintances and others from Facebook groups. My "left wing" mate even shared a RT report that Putins bombs killed 600 terrorists and no civilians- unlike the US who hit a hospital in Afghanistan. The right and pro Putin agree that Germany is an occupied country carrying out the whims of the US. Many right wing want Germany to swap alliance from the West to Russia. In comparison German state TV and The press is mild, and the right complain of the "Lügenpresse" ( lying press ) - as did Göbels did ( or rather the "Bolschewikpresse" at that time ).

The Right like Putin? Surprising but I would agree that there's little between them. What's the mood like generally in Germany? I have a terrible fear that this situation with Merkel accepting so many migrants is going to lead to deep unrest in Germany and the end of the EU at a minimum - possibly much worse.

 

[mrtrench]

It's an interesting point you raise. The media is generally right-wing, with social media definitely the popular place of the left-wing. I wonder what and how that will translate in the ballot box.

I hate having a weak opposition - and I honestly believe that Corbyn is weak. Well-meaning I'm sure but completely misguided IMO. I see a shoe-in for Boris in 2020 as it stands - it may be a little tougher for the Tories if Osbourn gets the crown but I still think he'd beat a Left-lead Labour party. Unfortunately Ed stabbed their best chance of power in the back. I distrust most politicians with a passion - it's always me me me over what's best for the country. Oddly enough, I do trust Corbyn's intentions; he's just wrong on most things.

 

[Ian1779]

I hate having a weak opposition - and I honestly believe that Corbyn is weak. Well-meaning I'm sure but completely misguided IMO. I see a shoe-in for Boris in 2020 as it stands - it may be a little tougher for the Tories if Osbourn gets the crown but I still think he'd beat a Left-lead Labour party. Unfortunately Ed stabbed their best chance of power in the back. I distrust most politicians with a passion - it's always me me me over what's best for the country. Oddly enough, I do trust Corbyn's intentions; he's just wrong on most things.

For me it seems like a battle between the politics of the establishment - what has always been and should remain, and the idealistic harmony - but is it deliverable?... that I think is where he will win or lose.

 

[rob9872]

Really? I know the borris stupid eccentricity is an act, but most see how as a buffoon and in that cases unelectable. Surely the safest hands the country has been in for years in terms of the economy make Osborne far more a likely Victor in an election.

 

[Ian1779]

Really? I know the borris stupid eccentricity is an act, but most see how as a buffoon and in that cases unelectable. Surely the safest hands the country has been in for years in terms of the economy make Osborne far more a likely Victor in an election.

Osbourne is a cretin.... he almost makes Cameron look electable.

 

[mrtrench]

For me it seems like a battle between the politics of the establishment - what has always been and should remain, and the idealistic harmony - but is it deliverable?... that I think is where he will win or lose.

His PR issue is that most of the country doesn't trust him - and he's talked so much rot about the economy & Syria inter alia despite the good intentions that I can understand that disbelief. Even if he did get power IMO it isn't deliverable because the world is full of powerful weasels and they always rise to the top. If wouldn't be long before he was being controlled by one of them.

 

[mrtrench]

Really? I know the borris stupid eccentricity is an act, but most see how as a buffoon and in that cases unelectable. Surely the safest hands the country has been in for years in terms of the economy make Osborne far more a likely Victor in an election.

I may be wrong but I believe that Boris is loved by a majority of the population. He's no buffoon; he has an unusual sense of humour.

 

[Philosoraptor]

I guess on balance you are correct, The Mail, The Express et al annoy me just as much. But Facebook and any chat site I've been to is crammed to the gunnels with rude and aggressive left wingers spouting complete bollocks and name-calling anyone who disagree with them. I can easily avoid the crappy newspapers but I cannot avoid the countless lying Cameron memes 'liked' by my friends on FB.

In August when I was in Edinburgh, I walked past some men selling the Socialist Worker. They were shouting "Labour didn't cause the recession - the Tories did". I thought better of asking them on what basis they could possibly reach that conclusion.

Labour/Tory much the same in Scotland. Both right of centre of parties. It makes you think what an electable third party could do in the Midlands.

I think one of the main problems with the Labour Party in Coventry is that they don't realise how right wing they are. I would say there is some truth to the rumour of there being two labour parties at the moment. One that has backing of a hell of a lot of its membership and the other in their ivory tower waiting to be toppled.

Lets just hope the coup de grace comes as quickly as a vote for a war.

if they stay on much longer they will seriously threaten Labour chances of being elected.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It's not lazy, you just have to possess the ability to read between the lines and come to an informed conclusion.

Politics is a pantomime for public consumption, the reality behind the veil is quite different. Oh and by the way, Cameron is a man being played like a flute; his decisions are not his own, neither are the words from his mouth - he's a figurehead. He's not interested in legacies for God's sake, he's interested in lining his pockets with as much dirty, blood-stained cash as he possibly can.

Come on every politician who makes it into his position wants to go down in history for something. He nearly oversaw the break up of the union, he might yet oversee a British exit from the EU and the economy, supposedly a Tory forte, has not gone as he wanted. If ISIS throw in the towel before his term is up he will cling to that.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Labour/Tory much the same in Scotland. Both right of centre of parties. It makes you think what an electable third party could do in the Midlands.

I think one of the main problems with the Labour Party in Coventry is that they don't realise how right wing they are. I would say there is some truth to the rumour of there being two labour parties at the moment. One that has backing of a hell of a lot of its membership and the other in their ivory tower waiting to be toppled.

Lets just hope the coup de grace comes as quickly as a vote for a war.

if they stay on much longer they will seriously threaten Labour chances of being elected.

Living in Scotland my view is that if you take independence out of the equation there is little to separate either Labour or SNP. The Tories here advocate things like reintroducing tuition fees and prescription charges which neither the red nor yellow ties will touch with a barge pole. However what does parallel with the Midland situation is that Labour have been getting in almost by default for so long that they took the position for granted.

That being the case they did a progressively worse job until someone else came along and said 'you don't have to keep voting for them guys'. Now they could well end up coming behind the Tories next year, let alone the SNP.