Mowbray Out (3 Viewers)

[usskyblue]

The reason we were relegated from the Premier League was down to Richardson failing to see that Strachan had lost the plot.

Despite the negativity around here about Strachan he did have two good seasons. However he'd lost the plot and should have gone.

The fact thorn managed to get to 10 points of survival given his complete and utter inability to manage anything shows any half decent replacement would have achieved survival

Success is improvement. Had we not sacked Gould in the 80's we'd gave gone down. Mackay I think to his credit fell on his sword before relegation that would have followed.

Sillett was treated badly and should have been given a role but can anyone seriously say butcher, Neal and Atkinson hadn't outlived their usefulness?

No matter how much you want it to be;
A lack of further failure isn't 'success'.

We are a League 1 club that's had 10 managers in the last 8 years (incl caretakers).

I don't think, even you, would think that we've not had enough changes to blow the theory that success comes from repeated change.

If continual change was the formula, we'd be back in the Premiership, no ?

 

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[Terry Gibson's perm]

The reason we were relegated from the Premier League was down to Richardson failing to see that Strachan had lost the plot.

Despite the negativity around here about Strachan he did have two good seasons. However he'd lost the plot and should have gone.

The fact thorn managed to get to 10 points of survival given his complete and utter inability to manage anything shows any half decent replacement would have achieved survival

Success is improvement. Had we not sacked Gould in the 80's we'd gave gone down. Mackay I think to his credit fell on his sword before relegation that would have followed.

Sillett was treated badly and should have been given a role but can anyone seriously say butcher, Neal and Atkinson hadn't outlived their usefulness?

I am with you on Strachan if he had gone earlier we would have had a better chance of surviving,

i would give TM until the end of next season as there is improvement there and we are still in the mix and one good run away from being right up there. I still think whoever finishes above Wigan will be promoted and I still don't think it will be Burton or Walsall in the end.

 

[Grendel]

No matter how much you want it to be;
A lack of further failure isn't 'success'.

We are a League 1 club that's had 10 managers in the last 8 years (incl caretakers).

I don't think, even you, would think that we've not had enough changes to blow the theory that success comes from repeated change.

If continual change was the formula, we'd be back in the Premiership, no ?

Sorry you are missing the point. We are where we are as we didn't sack the manager when we should.

We would have been where we are a lot sooner if we didn't sank the managers I mentioned when we did.

 

[usskyblue]

I am with you on Strachan if he had gone earlier we would have had a better chance of surviving,

i would give TM until the end of next season as there is improvement there and we are still in the mix and one good run away from being right up there. I still think whoever finishes above Wigan will be promoted and I still don't think it will be Burton or Walsall in the end.

Strachan was a poor manager. As highlighted by his repeated failures since. Yes he may have done 'okay' for a season, but then, look at the money he had to spend?

I'll never forget him complaining (after failing to beat a nine man Forest at HR) how difficult it was to play against nine men.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Strachan was a poor manager. As highlighted by his repeated failures since. Yes he may have done 'okay' for a season, but then, look at the money he had to spend?

I'll never forget him complaining (after failing to beat a nine man Forest at HR) how difficult it was to play against nine men.

Spend/waste

 

[robbieray]

So sacking the manager when before you said you did after the manager should have been sacked after you said they should have been I agree

 

[Grendel]

This is the weakest league one in some time and our best chance of promotion......if we do not make it this year really struggling to see us doing well next year the sides coming down will be a lot stronger than ones that did this year!

Simply put with the support TM has had and squad we have accumulated then there is no way we should finish outside top six.
I actually though would be between us Wigan and Sheff Utd for top two places.

If we do not make play offs - which I cannot contemplate us not doing then TM imo will have failed and should go.
If we make play offs and do not make it up and he is willing to stay on would keep him then.

There are a lot of games still to play and lots of points to be played for though.....Im keeping the faith though it is getting tough to do so.

This is spot on.

If, from where we were 10 games ago, we cannot end up in the top six it's failure.

 

[usskyblue]

Sorry you are missing the point. We are where we are as we didn't sack the manager when we should.

We would have been where we are a lot sooner if we didn't sank the managers I mentioned when we did.

Apology accepted.

The point is obviously lost on you.

We are where we are dispite 10 managers in 8 years. Are you suggesting a higher turnover would've yielded any real achievement?

 

[Grendel]

Apology accepted.

The point is obviously lost on you.

We are where we are dispite 10 managers in 8 years. Are you suggesting a higher turnover would've yielded any real achievement?

Yes if we had sacked Strachan and thorn we wouldnt have been relegated.

Your argument is idiotic. Are you saying that we would be better off now if we still had Coleman or Boothroyd in charge?

 

[usskyblue]

Yes if we had sacked Strachan and thorn we wouldnt have been relegated.

Your argument is idiotic. Are you saying that we would be better off now if we still had Coleman or Boothroyd in charge?

Careful, your penchant for insulting valid opinions only diminishes yours.

It's not 'idiotic'. Take a breath, Coleman was fired in favour of Boothroyd.

Who's your 'upgrade' for Mowbray ?

The fact is; there's no track record of success when we continually fire managers. End of.

Unless, of course, you measure achievement as being 'where we are quicker'.

 

[skybluetony176]

So if I'm getting this reasoning right Sir Alex Ferguson should have been sacked within his first few seasons at Man U. :facepalm:

Imagine all the success that Man U could have enjoyed if only they'd sacked him when their fans were protesting on the terraces with banners like 3years of excuses. :thinking about:

Clearly fans aren't the best people to decide when managers go and who replaces them. Another example was Martin O'Neil when he was appointed manager of Leicester. The fans were up in arms at his appointment giving it all billy big balls he's not big enough for the club.

 

[skybluetony176]

Careful, your penchant for insulting valid opinions only diminishes yours.

It's not 'idiotic'. Take a breath, Coleman was fired in favour of Boothroyd.

Who's your 'upgrade' for Mowbray ?

The fact is; there's no track record of success when we continually fire managers. End of.

Unless, of course, you measure achievement as being 'where we are quicker'.

José is still available. He's probably penning a love letter to the sky blue faithful as we speak. Failing that Pep is available at the end of the season.

 

[Grendel]

José is still available. He's probably penning a love letter to the sky blue faithful as we speak. Failing that Pep is available at the end of the season.

If your debating style remains at kindergarten level stay away and let the grown ups have the discussion,

 

[skybluetony176]

If your debating style remains at kindergarten level stay away and let the grown ups have the discussion,

So who are you going to replace Mowbray with? O grown up one.

 

[Grendel]

So who are you going to replace Mowbray with? O grown up one.

I haven't said he should be sacked. I would say that failure to retain top 6 status is abject failure and that is a reasoned stance. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

 

[usskyblue]

So who are you going to replace Mowbray with? O grown up one.

From what I'm getting...it doesn't matter because if they don't turn the club around in one season, they'll be gone and we'll be hiring Phil Brown in 2018...

 

[Grendel]

From what I'm getting...it doesn't matter because if they don't turn the club around in one season, they'll be gone and we'll be hiring Phil Brown in 2018...

The average managerial shelf life is 18 months. Try convincing the other clubs I'm wrong. Go on a Man U forum and say Van Gaal needs time - there is no time.

 

[mechaishida]

I haven't said he should be sacked. I would say that failure to retain top 6 status is abject failure and that is a reasoned stance. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

I agree, however the real issue is whether TM would actually stick around for another year. Chances are, probably not.

 

[usskyblue]

The average managerial shelf life is 18 months. Try convincing the other clubs I'm wrong. Go on a Man U forum and say Van Gaal needs time - there is no time.

I hear you. It still doesn't solve the problem does it? As has been proved.

Eh hem...Moyes

 

[skybluetony176]

From what I'm getting...it doesn't matter because if they don't turn the club around in one season, they'll be gone and we'll be hiring Phil Brown in 2018...

And sack him because he could only get us in the top six of league 2 by Xmas after Mowbray's successor's successor skilfully guided us to relegation as a caretaker manager.

 

[skybluetony176]

The average managerial shelf life is 18 months. Try convincing the other clubs I'm wrong. Go on a Man U forum and say Van Gaal needs time - there is no time.

Yep and the same fans were probably calling for Ferguson to go as well at the same point in his tenure with Man U.

 

[Grendel]

And sack him because he could only get us in the top six of league 2 by Xmas after Mowbray's successor's successor skilfully guided us to relegation as a caretaker manager.

What was pressleys record at "suxfields" at the end of January vs Mowbray? Which of the two had the easiest gig?

 

[skybluetony176]

I haven't said he should be sacked. I would say that failure to retain top 6 status is abject failure and that is a reasoned stance. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

And you won't. As I pointed out earlier you never commit just sew the seed. You did however say yesterday he has four games or he should go.

 

[usskyblue]

Go on a Man U forum and say Van Gaal needs time - there is no time.

A lot of them were saying that they'd have preferred to stick with Moyes.

So much for that.

 

[Brylowes]

Some on here are just unbelievable. 8 months ago we were a gnats knacker away from the 4th division with seemingly nothing at all to look forward too. He kept us up "thankfully " and then it seemed our only hope was keeping him in the job.
That done we prepare for the new season-but to some our preparation isn't good enough not enough players signed & in pre-season not enough goals scored.We kick off like a bullet from a gun (and it's so much better than any of us dared wish for)but it's more than that.
The guy is taking it further than that,change the decor at the training ground, even painting the team coach, trying to get the young players to feel part of something bigger.This is above and beyond the call of duty and it shows he cared and believed he could really get something going here.
So everything is going great and we eventually hit the top the feel-good factor is back,crowds are up,people are proud of their club again.But inevitably things start to get rocky,injuries start to pile up,some signings prove to be not so good,and players who could score from anywhere suddenly can't hit a barn-door.
To think he's gone from messiah to moron in the space of a few weeks with some ,really is unbelievable
Get behind TM &CO there's alot of points still to play for.

 

[Ibby]

Anyone wanted Mogga out need banning from here. Few result gone against the club people saying this :thinking about:

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

I agree , he's a good guy

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

Some on here are just unbelievable. 8 months ago we were a gnats knacker away from the 4th division with seemingly nothing at all to look forward too. He kept us up "thankfully " and then it seemed our only hope was keeping him in the job.
That done we prepare for the new season-but to some our preparation isn't good enough not enough players signed & in pre-season not enough goals scored.We kick off like a bullet from a gun (and it's so much better than any of us dared wish for)but it's more than that.
The guy is taking it further than that,change the decor at the training ground, even painting the team coach, trying to get the young players to feel part of something bigger.This is above and beyond the call of duty and it shows he cared and believed he could really get something going here.
So everything is going great and we eventually hit the top the feel-good factor is back,crowds are up,people are proud of their club again.But inevitably things start to get rocky,injuries start to pile up,some signings prove to be not so good,and players who could score from anywhere suddenly can't hit a barn-door.
To think he's gone from messiah to moron in the space of a few weeks with some ,really is unbelievable
Get behind TM &CO there's alot of points still to play for.

To to be fair I blame some very experienced agents stitching him and us up.

as soon as Cole came , yes Cole it was carpet bag city for the old nags every day by email.

He he has took his great eye off the ball in the young talent he is expert in developing. Not his fault really when at the time the going was good.


Back lack to pre season basics please Mogga ,

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Some on here are just unbelievable. 8 months ago we were a gnats knacker away from the 4th division with seemingly nothing at all to look forward too. He kept us up "thankfully " and then it seemed our only hope was keeping him in the job.
That done we prepare for the new season-but to some our preparation isn't good enough not enough players signed & in pre-season not enough goals scored.We kick off like a bullet from a gun (and it's so much better than any of us dared wish for)but it's more than that.
The guy is taking it further than that,change the decor at the training ground, even painting the team coach, trying to get the young players to feel part of something bigger.This is above and beyond the call of duty and it shows he cared and believed he could really get something going here.
So everything is going great and we eventually hit the top the feel-good factor is back,crowds are up,people are proud of their club again.But inevitably things start to get rocky,injuries start to pile up,some signings prove to be not so good,and players who could score from anywhere suddenly can't hit a barn-door.
To think he's gone from messiah to moron in the space of a few weeks with some ,really is unbelievable
Get behind TM &CO there's alot of points still to play for.

Just a few big time Charles who are deluded to the point they think we can operate like a top 6 Premiership club...dont rise to them

...onwards & upwards PUSB

 

[Brylowes]

Just a few big time Charles who are deluded to the point they think we can operate like a top 6 Premiership club...dont rise to them

...onwards & upwards PUSB

It does wind me up. I'm not saying it's just a blip it's likely more than that. But considering where we were,and where we are now,can't believe sacked and Mowbray are mentioned in the same sentence by true Cov fans.
It beggars belief

 

[Grendel]

It does wind me up. I'm not saying it's just a blip it's likely more than that. But considering where we were,and where we are now,can't believe sacked and Mowbray are mentioned in the same sentence by true Cov fans.
It beggars belief

Well all managers are Gods at some point;
http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threa...ue-boss-in-the-future-quot?highlight=pressley

 

[Brylowes]

Well all managers are Gods at some point;
http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threa...ue-boss-in-the-future-quot?highlight=pressley

Not talking about Presley! Just can't believe people are turning on TM after a poor run,after all the good work he's done here. All teams go through these patches,now is the time to get behind him and the team.

 

[usskyblue]

Well all managers are Gods at some point;
http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threa...ue-boss-in-the-future-quot?highlight=pressley

Well done for never committing to an opinion...

 

[Astute]

The average managerial shelf life is 18 months. Try convincing the other clubs I'm wrong. Go on a Man U forum and say Van Gaal needs time - there is no time.

One manager took over a club with good players and money to spend. The other took over a club with poor players and no money to spend. Yet you compare the two.

Should we sack TM because the defenders he has brought in on a limited budget have got injured?

 

[Wyken Sky Blue]

I haven't said he should be sacked. I would say that failure to retain top 6 status is abject failure and that is a reasoned stance. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

You still haven't answered the question.

As you keep pointing out that if Mowbray was sacked and it was the correct time to be sacked who would you bring in to bring us success that is better than what we already have?

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