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[letsallsingtogether]

Well it is upto City to keep the fans they have.
At the end of the day they are the only ones who can lose them.
People won't move on if they are happy with what they have.
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[dongonzalos]

12-17th wouldn't be getting a kick in week in, week out though.

It would be comfortably safe from relegation which would be a fantastic achievement

A fantastic achievement with a 7 million budget I agree. But it is a fantastic achievement that wont draw crowds. Only a genuine chance of the play offs will do that.

 

[Grendel]

A fantastic achievement with a 7 million budget I agree. But it is a fantastic achievement that wont draw crowds. Only a genuine chance of the play offs will do that.

Yet both Norwich and Nottingham forest attracted 20,000 plus crowds in their relegation seasons.

 

[dongonzalos]

Yet both Norwich and Nottingham forest attracted 20,000 plus crowds in their relegation seasons.

Good for them

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

A fantastic achievement with a 7 million budget I agree. But it is a fantastic achievement that wont draw crowds. Only a genuine chance of the play offs will do that.

Would it though? Or would the fair weather fans desert the club in the tough times like they have done this season where we also have a genuine chance of play offs.

 

[dongonzalos]

Would it though? Or would the fair weather fans desert the club in the tough times like they have done this season where we also have a genuine chance of play offs.

Yes if they are happy with the product in the pitch they will be there.

 

[Nick]

Yes if they are happy with the product in the pitch they will be there.

There would be another excuse, price, weather, so on and so on

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Yes if they are happy with the product in the pitch they will be there.

So that would require us to keep winning every single week then, if we go through a rough spell attendances will drop regardless of if we have a genuine chance of play offs.

 

[Moff]

Know anyone who has decided to stop going to CCFC matches because they want to go to Wasps matches instead?

Anyone I know who have attended Wasps matches are either not from Coventry or have taken the family die to some deal. However they still go to Cov matches, or have no interest in football.
I just don't see from my own experience Wasps stealing our fan base?

Yes around 5 regulars and the same amount in floating fans. It sucks.

 

[Moff]

About the 5-10-15 years thing. Wasps are very proactive with chasing support of the young. Since they arrived at the Ricoh they have been to my daughters school twice. CCFC haven't been once in the whole five years since my eldest started school. If we're in competition with them for young supporters in the Coventry and Warwickshire area we'd better start being more proactive.

When you say they have come into the school, do you literally mean someone from Wasps popped in or just a ticket offer?

I know you are in Rugby, as am I, and my daughters school have had one of the offer letters, buy one get the next match free, but no one into the school thank goodness, whilst CCFC have also done the same with a ticket offer. Thankfully most of the kids that did take up an offer, preferred the football.

 

[dongonzalos]

So that would require us to keep winning every single week then, if we go through a rough spell attendances will drop regardless of if we have a genuine chance of play offs.

If we did that we would be Barcelona.

Just a simple fact of life good performances on the pitch = increases in attendances

 

[dongonzalos]

Yes around 5 regulars and the same amount in floating fans. It sucks.

5 regular fans you know, now have stopped going to City because of the opportunity to attend Wasps instead?

Wow any fan I know have gone as a one off to take the family due to some offer. Others are rugby fans (not wasps) but now go to Wasps.
Quite a few others I know from work
Travel from Sutton Coldfield, Northampton, Hinkley, Birmingham. I am lucky I am yet to meet a fellow Cov fan who has switched.

Luckily from the gist of this thread it seems your experience is a very rare one.m, thank god and the gist seems to be Cov fans don't switch to Wasps.

 

[Moff]

5 regular fans you know, now have stopped going to City because of the opportunity to attend Wasps instead?

Yes thats what I said. I am not just saying it. I find it disgusting.

I dont mean this sarcastically, but you do know just because you havent experienced it, it doesnt mean it hasnt happened. Like the Telgraph some fans just like to jump on the bandwagon.

 

[dongonzalos]

Yes thats what I said. I am not just saying it. I find it disgusting.

I dont mean this sarcastically, but you do know just because you havent experienced it, it doesnt mean it hasnt happened. Like the Telgraph some fans just like to jump on the bandwagon.

I never said it didn't happen. I am just saying luckily and by reading the rest of the replies to the thread you have a very rare example of it and you are bloody unlucky to have 5 examples.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Funny but we are where we are some will blame anyone or anything for our demise.
We have been fucked up as a club well before many had even heard of the Wasps.

Now according to some they have taken our supporters

 

[skybluetony176]

When you say they have come into the school, do you literally mean someone from Wasps popped in or just a ticket offer?

I know you are in Rugby, as am I, and my daughters school have had one of the offer letters, buy one get the next match free, but no one into the school thank goodness, whilst CCFC have also done the same with a ticket offer. Thankfully most of the kids that did take up an offer, preferred the football.

Literally came in with a player or two. Once when they first arrived at the Ricoh (just before the first game IIRC) and again during the world cup. Plus we've had more than one letter with a ticket deal, the latest being the Leicester game and go to the next one for a quid. Luckily neither of mine have shown an interest. The eldest isn't really into ball sports full stop and I've done my job well with the youngest and the only reason she wants to go to the Ricoh is to watch CCFC. Unless little mix announce a date there I don't think we'll be going for any other reason other than CCFC.

The nearest they've had to a CCFC presence is Gavin Strachan's football school touting for business.

 

[stupot07]

5 regular fans you know, now have stopped going to City because of the opportunity to attend Wasps instead?

Wow any fan I know have gone as a one off to take the family due to some offer. Others are rugby fans (not wasps) but now go to Wasps.
Quite a few others I know from work
Travel from Sutton Coldfield, Northampton, Hinkley, Birmingham. I am lucky I am yet to meet a fellow Cov fan who has switched.

Luckily from the gist of this thread it seems your experience is a very rare one.m, thank god and the gist seems to be Cov fans don't switch to Wasps.

Very rare? 5-6 of us that have said ok this we know or have met people that now go to wasps instead of ccfc. That's out of about 10-12 different posters that have posted on this thread. So that's about 40-50% of those who responded to your question.

Just because others haven't posting on the thread doesn't mean they they agree with you or not.


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[Hobo]

I don't know any Cov fans who go to Wasps. Rugby fans yes. Plus some glory hunters you know Man U and Chelsea choose sort of sado's

 

[Nick]

Very rare? 5-6 of us that have said ok this we know or have met people that now go to wasps instead of ccfc. That's out of about 10-12 different posters that have posted on this thread. So that's about 40-50% of those who responded to your question.

Just because others haven't posting on the thread doesn't mean they they agree with you or not.


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It was one of those post the thread to try and make out it is made up, then just carry on making out it doesn't happen....

 

[Moff]

Funny but we are where we are some will blame anyone or anything for our demise.
We have been fucked up as a club well before many had even heard of the Wasps.

Now according to some they have taken our supporters

Wait a minute you are just twisting what has been said.

Dongo asked if anyone knew fans who now go to Wasps instead of CCFC. I have answered that I do. He asked that basic question and I answered it.

He didnt ask if there were other factors, like the way the club had been run, our owners etc, which has also clearly had an affect, but that wasnt covered as it wasnt what was asked.

I balme a lot of people, but that wasnt the question was it.

 

[dongonzalos]

Very rare? 5-6 of us that have said ok this we know or have met people that now go to wasps instead of ccfc. That's out of about 10-12 different posters that have posted on this thread. So that's about 40-50% of those who responded to your question.

Just because others haven't posting on the thread doesn't mean they they agree with you or not.


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Yes Stu just yourself defriending some people on Twitter over it and Moff's 5 people.
I am Talking about people who attend Wasps purely because Wasps are there and before Wasps arrived they were attending the City matches. They choose to go to Wasps instead.
Not people who do both. Have gone to the odd game because it is free. Or who gave up on going to City before the Wasps debarcle, because they had enough paying out whilst we just declined. We lost those fans Wasps didn't take them from us.

 

[dongonzalos]

Wait a minute you are just twisting what has been said.

Dongo asked if anyone knew fans who now go to Wasps instead of CCFC. I have answered that I do. He asked that basic question and I answered it.

He didnt ask if there were other factors, like the way the club had been run, our owners etc, which has also clearly had an affect, but that wasnt covered as it wasnt what was asked.

I balme a lot of people, but that wasnt the question was it.

What I am looking at Moff is, is Wasps a competitor for our fans. Are people ditching their Cov tickets because they can go to Wasps instead.
I don't count people who already stopped going to Cov and have now started going to Wasps.
Otherwise everything else people did would be considered a threat. A lot of people started going to the Butts, shopping with their misses. Doing their garden ect.
I find it very rare that someone thinks great I will stop going to watch city now because I can watch wasps instead.
A lot of people got into other habits during the bloody Northampton debarcle nothing to do with Wasps.

 

[torchomatic]

About the 5-10-15 years thing. Wasps are very proactive with chasing support of the young. Since they arrived at the Ricoh they have been to my daughters school twice. CCFC haven't been once in the whole five years since my eldest started school. If we're in competition with them for young supporters in the Coventry and Warwickshire area we'd better start being more proactive.

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[skybluetony176]

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Yep, I'm aware that the club does go into schools just pointing out that they've never been to my children's school the whole time they've been there whereas wasps have been twice in a year.

Do the club go to schools outside of Coventry? I'm not the only CCFC fan from the wider Warwickshire area as we both know. Wasps seem not only more proactive but also seem to spread their wings (if you pardon the pun) further than CCFC from my own personal experience. Not saying the club don't, just pointing out that in my own personal experience they haven't. Happy to be told otherwise and will be more than glad to hear it.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

I know one person who was a season ticket holder with us who now has one with them and somebody you went quite often to watch us who now only watches them.

My daughters school had a new building opened by a wasps player no idea who it was as I didn't go but if I had I wouldn't have known him either.

When we drive past the Ricoh my little boy says it daddies ground and they boo and go uggh when they see the flags ( it's all in the training)

 

[stupot07]

What I am looking at Moff is, is Wasps a competitor for our fans. Are people ditching their Cov tickets because they can go to Wasps instead.
I don't count people who already stopped going to Cov and have now started going to Wasps.
Otherwise everything else people did would be considered a threat. A lot of people started going to the Butts, shopping with their misses. Doing their garden ect.
I find it very rare that someone thinks great I will stop going to watch city now because I can watch wasps instead.
A lot of people got into other habits during the bloody Northampton debarcle nothing to do with Wasps.

Of course people who had already stopped going to ccfc but now go to wasps should be included. They are/were ccfc fans and therefore potential customers, and they are choosing to spend their money going to wasps games instead of coming back to ccfc shows that they are in direct competition for fans. That's completely different to someone choosing to go shopping.

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[Moff]

What I am looking at Moff is, is Wasps a competitor for our fans. Are people ditching their Cov tickets because they can go to Wasps instead.
I don't count people who already stopped going to Cov and have now started going to Wasps.
Otherwise everything else people did would be considered a threat. A lot of people started going to the Butts, shopping with their misses. Doing their garden ect.
I find it very rare that someone thinks great I will stop going to watch city now because I can watch wasps instead.
A lot of people got into other habits during the bloody Northampton debarcle nothing to do with Wasps.

I think they are now a competitor for our fans, and as you rightly said our owners and previous regimes, and the sad state of our club, has a role to play in that.

You cant just ring fence it though to current fans though, it is not just black and white. There are also always the floating or occasional fan, and there is the potential to lose these who may want to try a different sport at the Ricoh, or be a glory supporter of a 'winning' Rugby team and they spend their money there rather than at CCFC.

We all know that the main reason we have lost fans in the poor state of the club due to present and past owners, especially the current, and the fact we are starved of success. To discount Wasps as having no potential effect of taking fans away though is naive in the extreme.

 

[stupot07]

I think they are now a competitor for our fans, and as you rightly said our owners and previous regimes, and the sad state of our club, has a role to play in that.

You cant just ring fence it though to current fans though, it is not just black and white. There are also always the floating or occasional fan, and there is the potential to lose these who may want to try a different sport at the Ricoh, or be a glory supporter of a 'winning' Rugby team and they spend their money there rather than at CCFC.

We all know that the main reason we have lost fans in the poor state of the club due to present and past owners, especially the current, and the fact we are starved of success. To discount Wasps as having no potential effect of taking fans away though is naive in the extreme.

You're wasting your time Moff. Don's too stubborn to admit that he is wrong on this and will keep moving the goalposts until he finds the answer he wants.


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[Moff]

You're wasting your time Moff. Don's too stubborn to admit that he is wrong on this and will keep moving the goalposts until he finds the answer he wants.


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Im trying for glass half full at the moment

 

[dongonzalos]

Of course people who had already stopped going to ccfc but now go to wasps should be included. They are/were ccfc fans and therefore potential customers, and they are choosing to spend their money going to wasps games instead of coming back to ccfc shows that they are in direct competition for fans. That's completely different to someone choosing to go shopping.

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Not at all moving the goal posts. You have intimated that the future is bleak because of Wasps stealing our fan base.
Fans who stopped going to city before Wasps turned up, can't be included in that category. The future was already bleak because we were losing those fans anyway. Whatever they were choosing to do with their time.
I know lots of fans who started going to CRFC during the Birthampton scenario and still do. Far more than I know CCFC fans going to Wasps. Should we be worried about CRFC?

All we need to do is run the club correctly give the fans some optimism and a good product on the pitch and Wasps will be no threat at all.
We are starting to do that and if we continue in the way things have been happening recently we will be fine.

Sorry Stu you can't have the bloke who left Cov over the Nothampton move (pre wasps) and has no intention of coming back. Who now goes to Wasps instead of shopping. Who never had any intention of coming back to Cov unless we get new owners.

 

[dongonzalos]

I think they are now a competitor for our fans, and as you rightly said our owners and previous regimes, and the sad state of our club, has a role to play in that.

You cant just ring fence it though to current fans though, it is not just black and white. There are also always the floating or occasional fan, and there is the potential to lose these who may want to try a different sport at the Ricoh, or be a glory supporter of a 'winning' Rugby team and they spend their money there rather than at CCFC.

We all know that the main reason we have lost fans in the poor state of the club due to present and past owners, especially the current, and the fact we are starved of success. To discount Wasps as having no potential effect of taking fans away though is naive in the extreme.

Tesco's, mowing the lawn, CRFC, playing sport all the other things people did and still do when they stopped coming before Wasps were on scene would need to be considered.

You have to look at who has made the decision Wasps or CCFC. I will choose Wasps. Luckily as this thread shows that isnt happening much at all.

CRFC now I know a large group of city fans who now do that instead. They picked up the habit during the Nothampton situation

 

[Moff]

Sorry Stu you can't have the bloke who left Cov over the Nothampton move (pre wasps) and has no intention of coming back. Who now goes to Wasps instead of shopping. Who never had any intention of coming back to Cov unless we get new owners.

Isnt that like asking a question, and then discounting an answer as it doesnt fit your rules or agenda? People may have a different set of rules, it doesnt mean either is right or wrong.

 

[Nick]

Luckily as this thread shows that isnt happening much at all.

You don't seem to be wanting it to happen? People have replied a fair few times.

 

[dongonzalos]

There would be another excuse, price, weather, so on and so on

It would have to be some extremes for that. I never buy into this Cov city fans are worse than others bull shit.
If we had a storming finish to this season and got promoted.
In my option we would start next season with 18-20 k fans. If we maintained a serious challenge
In the championship (play off places) I don't think we would fall much short of that.
We had an average of 17k that season where we're in the play off places until our season detailed and we finished 18th!!.

 

[dongonzalos]

Isnt that like asking a question, and then discounting an answer as it doesnt fit your rules or agenda? People may have a different set of rules, it doesnt mean either is right or wrong.

So a bloke stops going to Cov over Northampton. He won't come back. He is doing other things with his time. A year later Wasps come. He chooses to go to Wasps over whatever ekes he is doing.
He still has no intention of coming back to CCFC.
We have lost him due to the competition of Wasps?