The two year plan (2 Viewers)

[mrtrench]

Let's imagine that the club really did have a two year plan at the start of this season - by which I mean that the club never expected to have the team that would compete for promotion this year and everything done this year was deliberate. What would that plan be and how well are we executing it? This is what I think:

1) Start acquiring some of our own players. On a two year plan that night be 6/7 per season. We have Vincelot, Stokes, Lameiras, Lorenzson, Rose, the Bulgarian, Jones. Others I haven't counted due to 1 year contracts so obviously not part of the winning team next year. But we have lost Maddison and Fleck looks like he is going. Net result = 5. Assessment: Poor to Fair.

2) Get some money to fund a team in the summer. Well we sold Maddison, so assuming we get to keep that money assessment: Good. But do we really have enough to get strikers?

3) Play for time for the youth team to contribute. RCC is a success IMO. Willis would have had another year if he hadn't got injured. But we haven't seen any others get a chance. Thomas & Haynes out on loan maybe part of the plan - but overall again a poor execution.

Overall I don't think we are in a good place on this plan. You could argue that the defence is largely completed and a bit in midfield. However we are still dependent on loans for all attacking players - which is where the money goes.

 

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[clint van damme]

if the Madison money is added to the usual playing budget than surely that would give us a top 3-4 wage bill for next year?

 

[wingy]

Good thread! Interesting viewpoint.

 

[stupot07]

Lorentzson is only here until the end of the season.

I largely agree with the points you make.

Re: Madison money - I can't see it making that much difference to our wage bill. You can only spend 60% your turnover anyway, most of the fee will come in dribs and drabs.

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[Otis]

Lorentzson is only here until the end of the season.

I largely agree with the points you make.

Re: Madison money - I can't see it making that much difference to our wage bill. You can only spend 60% your turnover anyway, most of the fee will come in dribs and drabs.

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I think there is the option to sign Lorentzson permanently and it is a suck it and see operation at the moment.

Need to see a bit more of him, but at the moment I would like us to keep him. Seems to have a decent football brain about him and is calm and assured on the ball.

Want to see a bit more from him defensively, mind. A few great and tackles and totally eliminating a left side threat, that sort of thing.

He's not played enough games yet. Needs to stay for the next 8 games and show his full potential.

 

[stupot07]

I think there is the option to sign Lorentzson permanently and it is a suck it and see operation at the moment.

Need to see a bit more of him, but at the moment I would like us to keep him. Seems to have a decent football brain about him and is calm and assured on the ball.

Want to see a bit more from him defensively, mind. A few great and tackles and totally eliminating a left side threat, that sort of thing.

He's not played enough games yet. Needs to stay for the next 8 games and show his full potential.

I can't say I've seen that anywhere - you sure you're not getting it mixed up with stokes who has got an option of another year? I've only seen things that say Lorentzson contract ends in the summer.

Obviously TM can offer new contract s to whom ever he wants.

He turns 32 in the summer, he's looked OK, but in bit sure he's the answer or the right age we should be looking at of we're building.

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[Otis]

I can't say I've seen that anywhere - you sure you're not getting it mixed up with stokes who has got an option of another year? I've only seen things that say Lorentzson contract ends in the summer.

Obviously TM can offer new contract s to whom ever he wants.

He turns 32 in the summer, he's looked OK, but in bit sure he's the answer or the right age we should be looking at of we're building.

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Thought I heard TM saying we had only signed him until the summer to get an initial look at him.

Might be wrong though.

 

[Otis]

Bloody hell! Talking about hitting home!!

Was scouring through the internet trying to find something where TM said he was looking at Lorentzson past this season and I just came across ...

Coventry City today (7th December) signed Martin Lorentzson. The club sit just 2 points behind Burton in 1st place.

Just reminds me how shocking and desperate and dramatic our fall has been.


We are now 19 points behind them. Shocking!!

 

[stevefloyd]

I am not impressed by Lorentzson at the minute, maybe he is still trying for match fitness, in the you tube vid which btw can make anyone look world class, he came over as a more attacking defender whipping balls into the box but not seen that from him yet.
I said at the start of the season that we may be a little understrength to be promoted this season considering the god damn awful team we had last season so while I have been a tad disappointed of late I think it would be best for us to get promoted in style next season, maybe we have just ran out of steam for this season but now TM has got more irons back in the fire but I would still like us to sneak thro' the back door this season

 

[oucho]

So our decline coincides with Laurentzon's arrival...

 

[Otis]

So our decline coincides with Laurentzon's arrival...

Nope, but it does with Lorentzson's.

 

[stevefloyd]

He's a curse I tell you

 

[jas365]

Let's imagine that the club really did have a two year plan at the start of this season - by which I mean that the club never expected to have the team that would compete for promotion this year and everything done this year was deliberate. What would that plan be and how well are we executing it? This is what I think:

1) Start acquiring some of our own players. On a two year plan that night be 6/7 per season. We have Vincelot, Stokes, Lameiras, Lorenzson, Rose, the Bulgarian, Jones. Others I haven't counted due to 1 year contracts so obviously not part of the winning team next year. But we have lost Maddison and Fleck looks like he is going. Net result = 5. Assessment: Poor to Fair.

2) Get some money to fund a team in the summer. Well we sold Maddison, so assuming we get to keep that money assessment: Good. But do we really have enough to get strikers?

3) Play for time for the youth team to contribute. RCC is a success IMO. Willis would have had another year if he hadn't got injured. But we haven't seen any others get a chance. Thomas & Haynes out on loan maybe part of the plan - but overall again a poor execution.

Overall I don't think we are in a good place on this plan. You could argue that the defence is largely completed and a bit in midfield. However we are still dependent on loans for all attacking players - which is where the money goes.

I think point 2 is the big stumbling block to your plan. The chances of money being injected to fund putting a squad together are virtually nil. Next season's squad will still be full of loanees and fee agents.

 

[Nick]

I think point 2 is the big stumbling block to your plan. The chances of money being injected to fund putting a squad together are virtually nil. Next season's squad will still be full of loanees and fee agents.

Including Jones who we just signed for next season?

 

[mrtrench]

I think point 2 is the big stumbling block to your plan. The chances of money being injected to fund putting a squad together are virtually nil. Next season's squad will still be full of loanees and fee agents.

It's not my plan, it's my conjecture of what this plan may be. Actually, my strongest suspicion is that there is no plan - 2 years was just bandied around to give the manager time to build a team without any pre-considered structure or approach. However I was being generous and assuming that there is a plan and trying to guess what it may be. What do you think the plan is?

 

[steve82]

Thought I heard TM saying we had only signed him until the summer to get an initial look at him.

Might be wrong though.

Looks like it's only stokes that has the option to extend. Nothing on Lorenztson.

 

[wingy]

I'd just add that Job has gone out the door as well.
Defensively we're barely halfway there.
I would reiterate that If promotion is a genuine aim you shouldn't really go with a developer in goal and suspect, rather than wasting money as TM puts it,we are looking to our next transfer income.

 

[Otis]

I'd just add that Job has gone out the door as well.
Defensively we're barely halfway there.
I would reiterate that If promotion is a genuine aim you shouldn't really go with a developer in goal and suspect, rather than wasting money as TM puts it,we are looking to our next transfer income.

JOB has gone?

Why on earth haven't we heard about it on here?

 

[steve82]

JOB has gone?

Why on earth haven't we heard about it on here?

Has he???? Your joking where's he gone?

 

[Otis]

Don't know, it's the first I have heard about it.

 

[mrtrench]

Don't know, it's the first I have heard about it.

Thank God Bakes is still here.

 

[Gazolba]

The 'two year plan' is just a made up name so if we don't get promotion this season, they can say it was a '2-year plan'. It's an excuse for this season and a promise for next season. The only plan SISU has is for the club to be self-sufficient. That means no injection of funds and we have to survive on player sales or gate receipts - which as you know are falling precipitously. I'm sure they are thinking who do we have and who will be here next season and who wont be because they have to have a squad and field eleven reasonably competent players. But I think that is the extent of any planning. In any case, plans are subject to the results on the pitch and on injuries and all the other variables over a season.

 

[Samo]

The 'two year plan' is just a made up name so if we don't get promotion this season, they can say it was a '2-year plan'. It's an excuse for this season and a promise for next season. The only plan SISU has is for the club to be self-sufficient. That means no injection of funds and we have to survive on player sales or gate receipts - which as you know are falling precipitously. I'm sure they are thinking who do we have and who will be here next season and who wont be because they have to have a squad and field eleven reasonably competent players. But I think that is the extent of any planning. In any case, plans are subject to the results on the pitch and on injuries and all the other variables over a season.

Perhaps they should have called it a 10 year plan then?

 

[Gazolba]

Perhaps they should have called it a 10 year plan then?

It's far better to have a '2-year plan' because people need to think something is going to happen within a reasonable period of time. A 2-year plan can always be followed by another 2-year plan.

 

[Samo]

It's far better to have a '2-year plan' because people need to think something is going to happen within a reasonable period of time. A 2-year plan can always be followed by another 2-year plan.

I was only joking!

 

[SonofErnie]

It's far better to have a '2-year plan' because people need to think something is going to happen within a reasonable period of time. A 2-year plan can always be followed by another 2-year plan.

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head!

I think we’re all sick and tired of endless 2 year plans which invariably end with further abject failure, with the occasional fleeting ‘whiff’ of success along the way.

The only plan I want to hear about is a 12 month one, which ends with our promotion to the Championship, no ifs no buts!