Top 6 Budget? (21 Viewers)

[johnwillomagic]

Yep Old Sky Blue so we had a more than competitive budget (top 6).
TM has overspent our budget and mismanaged it badly in a nutshell!
Exactly the point that seems to be a little lost on Dong.

 

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[Grendel]

Yep Old Sky Blue so we had a more than competitive budget (top 6).
TM has overspent our budget and mismanaged it badly in a nutshell!
Exactly the point that seems to be a little lost on Dong.

To be fair Dongle isn't the brightest. He's never likely to appear on University Challenge.

 

[dongonzalos]

Yep Old Sky Blue so we had a more than competitive budget (top 6).
TM has overspent our budget and mismanaged it badly in a nutshell!
Exactly the point that seems to be a little lost on Dong.

And you think that is what OSB just said

He said we don't know what the budget is.
He said the ranking bit is the SCMP calculation. (Although Waggot ranked us on playing staff budget)
He said in his opinion it isn't what's available that's important it how you use it that counts and he doesn't rate some of TM's signings.
He said the Maddison money will come in bits and bobs and some of it has been used on repaying a short term loan from the owners. That the owners recieve little income over the close season so will probably use some of it on that.

You take the above to be that OSB said we have a top six budget
and TM was the cause of an overspend?

I have to say that not long after appearing on this site in 2011 you were posting that the Ricoh is too big and suggested we should ground share somewhere and asked people to make suggestions as to where we should ground share.
Other than selling highfield road ground sharing was the single worse decision ever made by any owners of this football club and you were promoting the concept
Tells me all I need to know

 

[dongonzalos]

To be fair Dongle isn't the brightest. He's never likely to appear on University Challenge.

But unpredictable weather for fishing isn't it?

 

[johnwillomagic]

The Ricoh holds circa 35,000 our average attendance is 11,000 - we close behind the goals now to create "atmosphere"
this demonstrates to me that the Ricoh is currently too big for us imo?

 

[johnwillomagic]

Dong how is Andy Thorn doing in management if we are raking up the past seem to remember you were a big fan....
I know based on that I know far more about
football than you based on some of your previous posts on the above

 

[dongonzalos]

The Ricoh holds circa 35,000 our average attendance is 11,000 - we close behind the goals now to create "atmosphere"
this demonstrates to me that the Ricoh is currently too big for us imo?

The Ricoh is in our area

I can just about understand a fan travelling to Northampton once the stupid idea had been forced upon us.
However an actual fan suggesting we go out and ground share before it was even a publicly stated idea, plain stupid. You may even be the proud man who gave SISU the idea. You were suggesting it in 2011.
I will give you something though you were ahead of your time, talking about rental figures in comparison to incomes, the tiny chances of actually buying the place and the benefits of a ground share. I think it was just before Tim Fisher joined the board. So you were ahead of the curve

 

[dongonzalos]

Dong how is Andy Thorn doing in management if we are raking up the past seem to remember you were a big fan....
I know based on that I know far more about
football than you based on some of your previous posts on the above

As in a big thank god that Boothroyd had gone and with him that dire football.
Then me questioning the club saying they were responsible for the relegation not AT. That we sack too many managers and he is going to be backed this time.
Then they let him sign 9 players. (Back him as they said they would)
He draws against a team that went up. A draw against the favourites. Then gets a bad result a draw against Bury = sacked. (Not backed)
So yes I questioned all that.

 

[Grendel]

As in a big thank god that Boothroyd had gone and with him that dire football.
Then me questioning the club saying they were responsible for the relegation not AT. That we sack too many managers and he is going to be backed this time.
Then they let him sign 9 players. (Back him as they said they would)
He draws against a team that went up. A draw against the favourites. Then gets a bad result a draw against Bury = sacked. (Not backed)
So yes I questioned all that.

He is right though. Anyone with half a brain could see thorn hadn't got any managerial ability at all

Boothroyd was a million times better as a football manager than thorn could ever have dreamt of being.

Anyone arguing against that genuinely hasn't a clue about football.

 

[Brylowes]

He is right though. Anyone with half a brain could see thorn hadn't got any managerial ability at all

Boothroyd was a million times better as a football manager than thorn could ever have dreamt of being.

Anyone arguing against that genuinely hasn't a clue about football.

Maybe but Boothroyds style of football was awful, I sometimes used to leave disappointed
when we'd won.

 

[Hobo]

It matters not what the budget is; a policy of changing manager, backroom staff and most the squad every 12 months is doomed to failure.

 

[Nick]

As in a big thank god that Boothroyd had gone and with him that dire football.
Then me questioning the club saying they were responsible for the relegation not AT. That we sack too many managers and he is going to be backed this time.
Then they let him sign 9 players. (Back him as they said they would)
He draws against a team that went up. A draw against the favourites. Then gets a bad result a draw against Bury = sacked. (Not backed)
So yes I questioned all that.

It wasn't just those 3 results, it was the season before as well wasn't it.

It was quite clear AT wasn't good enough and getting rid was the right thing.

He was backed during the summer of 2012 before he went, he signed loads of players:

He signed Malaga on a 3 year deal
He signed Edge on a 3 year deal
He signed Barton a 3 year deal
He signed Elliott for 1 year
He signed Kilbane for 1 year
He signed Jennings for 2 years
He signed Fleck (was it 2 or 3)

Boothroyd had a much better win % than Thorn.

 

[covcity4life]

thorn was ok when he took over but he when it came down to really managing he signed terrible players and got worse with every week on the pitch

 

[dongonzalos]

It wasn't just those 3 results, it was the season before as well wasn't it.

It was quite clear AT wasn't good enough and getting rid was the right thing.

He was backed during the summer of 2012 before he went, he signed loads of players:

He signed Malaga on a 3 year deal
He signed Edge on a 3 year deal
He signed Barton a 3 year deal
He signed Elliott for 1 year
He signed Kilbane for 1 year
He signed Jennings for 2 years
He signed Fleck (was it 2 or 3)

Boothroyd had a much better win % than Thorn.

I am not so sure it wasn't those three draws that did it ............


“There is a general acceptance that mistakes were made,” said Fisher, “and one of those mistakes was letting players in key positions leave and not replacing them with talent. That is recognised by the owner."

Andy is front and centre stage at the moment and we are going to work with him to make sure that he’s got all the resources lined up.

Sky Blues have worked their way through ten managers since they slipped out of the top flight 11 years ago but Fisher stressed: “This is where we need to draw a line in the sand and say enough – enough of firing managers. We need to get out of that habit and, to draw a football analogy, put our foot on the ball, give Andy a chance to reorganise the resources.

3 draws later ..... Sacked

 

[Grendel]

I am not so sure it wasn't those three draws that did it ............


“There is a general acceptance that mistakes were made,” said Fisher, “and one of those mistakes was letting players in key positions leave and not replacing them with talent. That is recognised by the owner."

Andy is front and centre stage at the moment and we are going to work with him to make sure that he’s got all the resources lined up.

Sky Blues have worked their way through ten managers since they slipped out of the top flight 11 years ago but Fisher stressed: “This is where we need to draw a line in the sand and say enough – enough of firing managers. We need to get out of that habit and, to draw a football analogy, put our foot on the ball, give Andy a chance to reorganise the resources.

3 draws later ..... Sacked

He was shit and should have been shown the door the prior September.

We'd have been relegated again if we had kept him. They were just stupid and believed he'd actually start behaving like a manager and take his duties seriously. Same as the poor sod who'd recruited him at Kidderminster. Having ploughed money into the club he found himself the victim of threats against he and his family and had to quit. Thorn blamed him as he blamed sisu.

Terrible man and terrible manager. The mistake was not sacking him at the start of the championship season - however when you realise you've made a mistake then you have to act. They did that at least. It saved another relegation.

 

[dongonzalos]

He was shit and should have been shown the door the prior September.

We'd have been relegated again if we had kept him. They were just stupid and believed he'd actually start behaving like a manager and take his duties seriously. Same as the poor sod who'd recruited him at Kidderminster. Having ploughed money into the club he found himself the victim of threats against he and his family and had to quit. Thorn blamed him as he blamed sisu.

Terrible man and terrible manager. The mistake was not sacking him at the start of the championship season - however when you realise you've made a mistake then you have to act. They did that at least. It saved another relegation.

Agree if you are going to sack him you do it after the relegation not after 3 draws.
I honestly believe they expected to win at least two of those first three games and the sacking was as a result of a draw with Bury and Yeovil

 

[Grendel]

Agree if you are going to sack him you do it after the relegation not after 3 draws.
I honestly believe they expected to win at least two of those first three games and the sacking was as a result of a draw with Bury and Yeovil

No they just realised he'd failed to address his shortcomings in particular regarding the team pre season and preparation for matches. He was sacked because he failed to address shortcomings he promised he would.

Keeping him would have meant relegation. We have to thank god we found robins or that would have been an inevitable outcome. He did an unbelievable job when you look back on it.

 

[dongonzalos]

No they just realised he'd failed to address his shortcomings in particular regarding the team pre season and preparation for matches. He was sacked because he failed to address shortcomings he promised he would.

Keeping him would have meant relegation. We have to thank god we found robins or that would have been an inevitable outcome. He did an unbelievable job when you look back on it.

You would need to have inside info from the board to know whether half of what you said is true or not.

 

[dongonzalos]

It wasn't just those 3 results, it was the season before as well wasn't it.

It was quite clear AT wasn't good enough and getting rid was the right thing.

He was backed during the summer of 2012 before he went, he signed loads of players:

He signed Malaga on a 3 year deal
He signed Edge on a 3 year deal
He signed Barton a 3 year deal
He signed Elliott for 1 year
He signed Kilbane for 1 year
He signed Jennings for 2 years
He signed Fleck (was it 2 or 3)

Boothroyd had a much better win % than Thorn.

Also how did their win ratios compare with exactly the same squad in the same season?

 

[Brylowes]

You would need to have inside info from the board to know whether half of what you said is true or not.

Afraid not, just guesswork and supposition as usual.

 

[Grendel]

Afraid not, just guesswork and supposition as usual.

No it's not guesswork. If one certain footballer releases a book of his career when he retires I hope a chapter is reserved for that time. It will be very entertaining.

 

[Brylowes]

No it's not guesswork. If one certain footballer releases a book of his career when he retires I hope a chapter is reserved for that time. It will be very entertaining.

But it is, I agree Thorn was out of his depth and I'm sure he would need more than the help
of a ghost writer to put a colouring book together. But it's still guesswork to come up with
the why's and wherefore's surrounding his sacking.

 

[Brylowes]

No it's not guesswork. If one certain footballer releases a book of his career when he retires I hope a chapter is reserved for that time. It will be very entertaining.

Who's the player mc sheff , Cody, Keogh?

 

[dongonzalos]

To be fair Dongle isn't the brightest. He's never likely to appear on University Challenge.

Looks like University Challenge wasn't needed to know we didn't have a top six budget in the end.

 

[Nick]

Looks like University Challenge wasn't needed to know we didn't have a top six budget in the end.

This was last season wasn't it?

 

[dongonzalos]

This was last season wasn't it?

Yep and this season is supposed to be pretty much the same.
This season it is mid table
So we were not in the top six last season

 

[Nick]

Yep and this season is supposed to be pretty much the same.
This season it is mid table
So we were not in the top six last season

Unless other budgets have changed of course

 

[chiefdave]

This was last season wasn't it?

Certainly was.

Yep and this season is supposed to be pretty much the same.

Doesn't mean everyone else's is the same.

 

[dongonzalos]

Certainly was.

Doesn't mean everyone else's is the same.

We were 8th - 6th last season (effectively 7th)
For some bizzare reason a couple of people seemed to know more than the people running the club and arrogantly decided it was fact that had a budget far higher than that.
Our budget is pretty similar this season to last and now we are mid table.
So unless like you suggest Dave there are more teams this year with bigger budgets than last year.
Then my gut feeling is last year we were actually 8th in that 8th-6th range and this year it is a bit less putting us in the 10th-12th bracket.

 

[skybluetony176]

Funny. When I pointed out at the start of the season that the fact that no one from the club is telling us what a great budget we have this season should worry people I got it from all angles. I even suggested that our budget had stagnated while others have moved on and again got it from all angles. All of a sudden it's a given.

I'll take it one step further now and suggest that only just mid table probably means bottom half. Which is where we are.

 

[Evo1883]

so let me get this straight

We released ALL our top earners and replaced them with what we have , are people really still saying the budget is roughly the same lol .
This is like the bigger attendances and more season tickets equals more money on the pitch , it never happened did it , they are flat out liars.
We mass recruit and mass release every single year , without actually buying a significant amount of players or paying big wages (John fleck left for 4K more a week) for players this strategy is always going to be a gamble , hence 1 decent season under SISU in 9 years.
The fact people can't see this is laughable , we need stability , it's no good releasing 18 recruiting 14 every year , doesn't work never will.

Pretty sure Walsall have a bigger turnover than city , top 6 ? Try bottom 6/8

 

[GaryPendrysEyes]

As has been said before, the budget in itself meaningless anyway. If you sell 3/4 of your team including your best players and part replace them with cheap and cheerful- it may look like you have a decent budget. In fact its a significant net reduction, and net decline visavis the opposition if they arent doing the same.

 

[torchomatic]

As has been said before, the budget in itself meaningless anyway. If you sell 3/4 of your team including your best players and part replace them with cheap and cheerful- it may look like you have a decent budget. In fact its a significant net reduction, and net decline visavis the opposition if they arent doing the same.

Yes, the budget in theory is meaningless it is how it is spent that matters. TM and MV totally messed up this summer. This season's disaster is down to them. They knew what the budget was, they should have spent more wisely and not panicked.

 

[Grendel]

We were 8th - 6th last season (effectively 7th)
For some bizzare reason a couple of people seemed to know more than the people running the club and arrogantly decided it was fact that had a budget far higher than that.
Our budget is pretty similar this season to last and now we are mid table.
So unless like you suggest Dave there are more teams this year with bigger budgets than last year.
Then my gut feeling is last year we were actually 8th in that 8th-6th range and this year it is a bit less putting us in the 10th-12th bracket.

Our budget could to the penny be identical and could have been the 6th highest last season and 12th this season without a single other club changing their budget.

You really are not very bright are you?

 

[dongonzalos]

It's nothing to do with a hedge fund but the person doing a calculation.

The probability is we over spent and actually went over budget and had to sell to avoid an embargo which is funny as 8th to 6th probably ended up 5th to 3rd

And we will finish 12th to 11th

Yep not the brightest.
So was it third highest budget?
Did we finish 12th?