Ricoh events and Wasps ticket outlet (50 Viewers)

[Grendel]

No. That was Grendulls point. My point was that boycotting Sixfields I didn't help fund it.

I believe it was paid in advance. For the fourth time where is the evidence that actual turnstile attendance revenue counted?

 

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[Nick]

No. That was Grendulls point. My point was that boycotting Sixfields I didn't help fund it.

You can't prove that though, can you?

They could have used money from the season before, which means you did fund it. Especially if they paid rent or money to Northampton before a ticket was sold.

There is no proof is there?

My point is you seem to write off anything about the council and the Ricoh because theres no proof, yet throw things like that about where there is even less evidence or less proof and just a theory.

 

[skybluetony176]

Very odd how Tony spends far more time in these sorts of threads than match day ones and very odd how he zealously supports the council stance,

Of course we have no evidence to suggest why he does this. We just have to make assumptions based on the evidence.

Funny how you change the subject whenever you can't concede a point.

 

[Grendel]

You can't prove that though, can you?

They could have used money from the season before, which means you did fund it. Especially if they paid rent or money to Northampton before a ticket was sold.

There is no proof is there?

My point is you seem to write off anything about the council and the Ricoh because theres no proof, yet throw things like that about where there is even less evidence or less proof and just a theory.

As FP said he's clueless - he's a laughing stock - ignore him.

He's becoming embarrassing on Italia scale of embarrassment.

Hope he provides links to evidence for every post he makes from now on.

 

[Grendel]

Funny how you change the subject whenever you can't concede a point.

What point? Provide evidence the rent was paid out of ticket income Tony. Fact is you can't - you made a throwaway statement.

Chief Dave researched lots of evidence regarding this issue and yet you dismiss it as no evidence but opinion. Oddly Tony even your mate isn't backing you up.

So 5th time show is how the rent at sixfields was paid.

 

[skybluetony176]

It's all speculation without any links or clues to back it back to put it together.

Yet multiple parties say the same thing about the council and it is written off...

Again, I didn't write anything of. Is it the fact that there is an alternative to what you want to be true that's the issue here? Factually I'm correct, there's two versions of the events. You can't deny that so you keep inaccurately making out I've written one off, am trying to get people to believe only version or any of the other untruths you've said about me and my opinion today.

Again all I've done is point out that there are two versions of the events. Why you and others have gotten your knickers in a twist over that so badly that you basically repeatedly make up bullshit about me is unfathomable. It's almost as if you don't want people to see and hear everything that's gone on and been said because you have an ulterior motive.

 

[Grendel]

Again, I didn't write anything of. Is it the fact that there is an alternative to what you want to be true that's the issue here? Factually I'm correct, there's two versions of the events. You can't deny that so you keep inaccurately making out I've written one off, am trying to get people to believe only version or any of the other untruths you've said about me and my opinion today.

Again all I've done is point out that there are two versions of the events. Why you and others have gotten your knickers in a twist over that so badly that you basically repeatedly make up bullshit about me is unfathomable. It's almost as if you don't want people to see and hear everything that's gone on and been said because you have an ulterior motive.

Ok Tony which version do you believe?

 

[Nick]

Again, I didn't write anything of. Is it the fact that there is an alternative to what you want to be true that's the issue here? Factually I'm correct, there's two versions of the events. You can't deny that so you keep inaccurately making out I've written one off, am trying to get people to believe only version or any of the other untruths you've said about me and my opinion today.

Again all I've done is point out that there are two versions of the events. Why you and others have gotten your knickers in a twist over that so badly that you basically repeatedly make up bullshit about me is unfathomable. It's almost as if you don't want people to see and hear everything that's gone on and been said because you have an ulterior motive.

I haven't made anything up about you?

It's not what I want to be true, is it?

My knickers aren't in a twist, I've just turned it around on things you can't prove.

People can make up their own minds can't they?

 

[skybluetony176]

What point? Provide evidence the rent was paid out of ticket income Tony. Fact is you can't - you made a throwaway statement.

Chief Dave researched lots of evidence regarding this issue and yet you dismiss it as no evidence but opinion. Oddly Tony even your mate isn't backing you up.

So 5th time show is how the rent at sixfields was paid.

I thought you were ignoring me?

 

[skybluetony176]

Ok Tony which version do you believe?

You're not doing a very good job at ignoring me.

I've already made that point several times and the fact that you're having to ask only proves that you haven't actually read anything I've posted. You're like Brik from anchor man. LOUD SHOUTING. You don't even understand what you're arguing about because you haven't read what I've posted.

 

[skybluetony176]

I haven't made anything up about you?

It's not what I want to be true, is it?

My knickers aren't in a twist, I've just turned it around on things you can't prove.

People can make up their own minds can't they?

The only thing I've "tried to prove" is that there is a different version of events from a different director regarding the Manhattan takeover. I proved that with a link to that alternative version as covered by the BBC no less earlier today.

So the fact that you've just said you've turned it around on things I can't prove is just something else to add to the list of bullshit you're saying about me because you have your knickers in a twist.

Thankyou for proving me right again so willingly. Maybe you aren't pretending to be stupid after all. Now I feel stupid for thinking it was an act. I obviously gave you to much credit.

 

[Nick]

The only thing I've "tried to prove" is that there is a different version of events from a different director regarding the Manhattan takeover. I proved that with a link to that alternative version as covered by the BBC no less earlier today.

So the fact that you've just said you've turned it around on things I can't prove is just something else to add to the list of bullshit you're saying about me because you have your knickers in a twist.

Thankyou for proving me right again so willingly. Maybe you aren't pretending to be stupid after all. Now I feel stupid for thinking it was an act. I obviously gave you to much credit.

It isn't bullshit though is it? Because you make statements about sixfields with no evidence as if they are fact.

As Dave pointed out, it's multiple people who say about the council being unhelpful.

Let's not mess about, of course you were trying to disprove it. The same as you do in wasps posts that you don't care about

 

[skybluetony176]

It isn't bullshit though is it? Because you make statements about sixfields with no evidence as if they are fact.

As Dave pointed out, it's multiple people who say about the council being unhelpful.

I don't buy the Sun anymore because of the bullshit they reported about Hillsborough. Therefore I don't help facilitate their business. If I continued to buy it I would be facilitating their business. If you're really to stupid to understand that basic principle that's your issue not mine.

Yes Dave has pointed that out and I haven't challenged that. I have pointed out that there's an alternative version of events regarding the Manhattan bid.

Jesus, you really are stupid.

 

[Nick]

I don't buy the Sun anymore because of the bullshit they reported about Hillsborough. Therefore I don't help facilitate their business. If I continued to buy it I would be facilitating their business. If you're really to stupid to understand that basic principle that's your issue not mine.

Yes Dave has pointed that out and I haven't challenged that. I have pointed out that there's an alternative version of events regarding the Manhattan bid.

Jesus, you really are stupid.

But you can't prove they didn't use the money from the season before to pay the rent? At which point your money had paid the rent.

So you can't back it up. You can't prove anything at all about it.

Yes you can say you didn't give them money while we were at Northampton, but your money from before could well have gone towards it. So you can't give it the "my money didn't go toward it" unless you can show the bank statements.

You have been demanding evidence but then make statements you can't prove.

 

[skybluetony176]

But you can't prove they didn't use the money from the season before to pay the rent? At which point your money had paid the rent.

So you can't back it up. You can't prove anything at all about it.

Yes you can say you didn't give them money while we were at Northampton, but your money from before could well have gone towards it. So you can't give it the "my money didn't go toward it" unless you can show the bank statements.

You have been demanding evidence but then make statements you can't prove.

The season before? You mean the one where we went into administration?

 

[chiefdave]

I don't buy the Sun anymore because of the bullshit they reported about Hillsborough. Therefore I don't help facilitate their business. If I continued to buy it I would be facilitating their business.

Hang on thats not quite wha you said.

Here's all I do know for sure. In no way did boycotting Sixfields facilitate our stay there, attending on the other hand did.

 

[italiahorse]

Where's Italia? Isn't it about time he cropped up with "sisu show us your plan"

Asking Sisu what's happening is a better use of time than raking over the same old coals.

Everybody here has not got the full picture so we just pick out bits that suit whether they are in the "work with Wasps" or "get rid of Wasps' camp.

We need to do what is best for the club but with Sisu holding the future of the club in there hands we need to ask which camp they are in surely?

 

[Nick]

Asking Sisu what's happening is a better use of time than raking over the same old coals.

Everybody here has not got the full picture so we just pick out bits that suit whether they are in the "work with Wasps" or "get rid of Wasps' camp.

We need to do what is best for the club but with Sisu holding the future of the club in there hands we need to ask which camp they are in surely?

Bingo!!!!!!

Same old coals, move on, radar, enjoying football!

 

[chiefdave]

We need to do what is best for the club but with Sisu holding the future of the club in there hands we need to ask which camp they are in surely?

The council could still have a big say on the future of the club. If SISU, or any future owner, do actually decide a new stadium is required and try to build it council cooperation will be needed.

Does it not worry you that pretty much every bit of evidence available going back well before SISU arrived shows the council unwilling to work in the clubs best interest?

 

[SkyBlueZack]

Yeah but no but yeah but. That's what you pair remind me of. Big fat vicky pollard.

 

[italiahorse]

Bingo!!!!!!

Same old coals, move on, radar, enjoying football!

I've been waiting years for you to say a bad word against Sisu on my card.

I know where your loyalties lie.

Keep whinging if you must but you are just going round in circles.



'What's the plan Sisu ?'

 

[Nick]

I've been waiting years for you to say a bad word against Sisu on my card.

I know where your loyalties lie.

Keep whinging if you must but you are just going round in circles.



'What's the plan Sisu ?'

On your card? Have a look at ticket threads, pr threads, when they first took over etc.

My loyalty lies with ccfc, rather than going from each extreme to the next

You ask for evidence, get it. Ignore it and then go on about something else and move the goals

 

[italiahorse]

On your card? Have a look at ticket threads, pr threads, when they first took over etc.

My loyalty lies with ccfc, rather than going from each extreme to the next

You ask for evidence, get it. Ignore it and then go on about something else and move the goals

Still not a mention of Sisu.
There's no point arguing on this board other than to flush out people for the fun of it.
It defends Sisu actions by diverting everything to CCC or Wasps.

Scared or bought ?

 

[Sick Boy]

Still not a mention of Sisu.
There's no point arguing on this board other than to flush out people for the fun of it.
It defends Sisu actions by diverting everything to CCC or Wasps.

Scared or bought ?

If there were threads praising sisu, I'm sure all members would be having a go at them.

On the other hand, you are a selfish hypocrite who abused those who went to Sixfields, yet think nothing of attending a London rugby club's matches and condoning them moving city.

I'm not sure you'd have claimed that Northampton locals watching ccfc were just enjoying a higher level of football.

 

[Nick]

Still not a mention of Sisu.
There's no point arguing on this board other than to flush out people for the fun of it.
It defends Sisu actions by diverting everything to CCC or Wasps.

Scared or bought ?

Flush out people for what? It seems that your "flushing out" is throwing shit around with no evidence and no basis to it.

Bought? What are you trying to say? Spit it out if you want to try and play the little accusation game and provide some evidence, or is everybody who disagrees with you "bought"?

You just make yourself look silly. You still haven't made the SISU protest thread for some reason?

 

[skybluetony176]

Anyhow. Anyone interested in knowing all the information out there here's what Gary Hopkins had to say when the deal started stalling "I think it is important for fans to know that the delay is primarily the responsibility of the Manhattan Sports Group aligned to the very complicated financial solution that is required to ensure that the club is underpinned correctly and can move forward with confidence." Seems to be implicating that there was financial issues.

Full story here http://www.coventrycity-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/hopkins__takeover_is_still_on_346003/index.shtml

 

[Nick]

Anyhow. Anyone interested in knowing all the information out there here's what Gary Hopkins had to say when the deal started stalling "I think it is important for fans to know that the delay is primarily the responsibility of the Manhattan Sports Group aligned to the very complicated financial solution that is required to ensure that the club is underpinned correctly and can move forward with confidence." Seems to be implicating that there was financial issues.

Full story here http://www.coventrycity-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/hopkins__takeover_is_still_on_346003/index.shtml

In one of the links above I think it had a timeline, was it before or after this that they flew over and stayed at Coombe Abbey and then went back again?

Happy to be corrected if it is because of finance or think differently if it all unravels and swings that way!

Edit, this one is October - http://www.bbc.co.uk/coventry/content/articles/2007/10/05/fletcher_resigns_feature.shtml

Unless they were sorting things in August and came over after that? Can't find the link that had a timeline of dates on from then

Edit Edit: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Rolle...lub's+bosses+and+the+fans;+SKY...-a0171841765

 

[skybluetony176]

This is an interesting quote from that first link Nick."The Football club cannot survive under the current regime. It cannot survive when it pays a cost of four million pounds of its income each year into the company called ACL (Arena Coventry Limited)."

Where does £4M a year into ACL come from? I thought our rent was considerably less than that although still substantial and OTT. Can anyone explain that figure?

 

[Nick]

This is an interesting quote from that first link Nick."The Football club cannot survive under the current regime. It cannot survive when it pays a cost of four million pounds of its income each year into the company called ACL (Arena Coventry Limited)."

Where does £4M a year into ACL come from? I thought our rent was considerably less than that although still substantial and OTT. Can anyone explain that figure?

Unless he sees the food and beverage and stadium money as going to them or something.

No idea, rent was 1.2 wasnt it?

 

[italiahorse]

If there were threads praising sisu, I'm sure all members would be having a go at them.

On the other hand, you are a selfish hypocrite who abused those who went to Sixfields, yet think nothing of attending a London rugby club's matches and condoning them moving city.

I'm not sure you'd have claimed that Northampton locals watching ccfc were just enjoying a higher level of football.

Never abused those that went to Sixfields. Nick told you that.
Never condoned Wasps. Nick told you that.

By not condoning Sisu for feeding you nothing you are going along with them. You'll need to check with Nick on that one !!!!

 

[italiahorse]

Unless he sees the food and beverage and stadium money as going to them or something.

No idea, rent was 1.2 wasnt it?

That's what Sisu would say !!
You have to pay for those income streams and Sisu decided not too.
Feed that back to them !!

 

[Nick]

That's what Sisu would say !!
You have to pay for those income streams and Sisu decided not too.
Feed that back to them !!

He isn't on about SISU saying it is he?

 

[skybluetony176]

Unless he sees the food and beverage and stadium money as going to them or something.

No idea, rent was 1.2 wasnt it?

Don't know. Like you said the rent was £1.2m. Where the other £2.8m come's from beats me. He doesn't exactly say, it's quite an ambiguous comment really. Could mean quite literally anything.

 

[chiefdave]

You have to pay for those income streams and Sisu decided not too.

Can't imagine why. You would have thought they'd have snapped ACLs hand off when they offered to sell us matchday revenues for £24m :facepalm:

 

[chiefdave]

I know where your loyalties lie.

Most people on here are loyal to the football club. You seem to regularly side with Wasps and CCC over the interest of CCFC.