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Hadji10

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A fine will do and a slap on the wrist. Stupid thing to do.

People most definitely shouldn't be defending him though. That's weird.
 
skybluegod

skybluegod

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Hadji10 said:
A fine will do and a slap on the wrist. Stupid thing to do.

People most definitely shouldn't be defending him though. That's weird.
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So you have never said anything like, 'that's gay' or 'you're a faggot'?
What he did was silly, but it's definitely nothing big.
 
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I find it offensive when gay people refer to hetrosexuals as straight. It feels like im being tagged with a name i dont want.
Who do i complain to ?
 
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Chipfat

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Im off to watch Blazing saddles!! im sure every word that could be found on the offensive list is in that classic.
 
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chiefdave

chiefdave

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marcusp said:
I find it offensive when gay people refer to hetrosexuals as straight. It feels like im being tagged with a name i dont want.
Who do i complain to ?
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I assume you're joking but that is actually a thing now. There's 101 different terms. I think this is the one you want.

Cisgender is a term for someone who has a gender identity that aligns with what they were assigned at birth. The term was created for referring to "non-transgender" people without alienating transgender people.
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Pipehitterz

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Totally correct

If anyone doesn't know , stokes is of Irish travelling decent, basically Gypsy , not sure if he's caravan type like Freddy but Gypsy all the same.

I'm 100%sure he didn't know it was a uk gay slur , and anyone that is jumping on his back need educating in international linguistics
 
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Hadji10

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skybluegod said:
So you have never said anything like, 'that's gay' or 'you're a faggot'?
What he did was silly, but it's definitely nothing big.
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Not on social media when I'm in a very privileged position, no.

He was stupid. We move on. No massive issue, just don't think people should be sticking up for him. What's there to stick up for?
 
mark82

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Hadji10 said:
Not on social media when I'm in a very privileged position, no.

He was stupid. We move on. No massive issue, just don't think people should be sticking up for him. What's there to stick up for?
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I'll stick up for him. He clearly didn't mean it in an offensive way.
 
ccfc92

ccfc92

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hill83 said:
I hope you can see the irony of saying people shouldn't seperate themselves into their own groups whilst being on a Coventry City forum.
And also joining in with the outrage yourself by being outraged about the outrage.
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I found this way too funny :laugh:
 
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Huckerby

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What about that Irish song that says youre a scumbag a maggot a cheap lazy faggot? I thought it meant something else.

Yeh it annoys me too. Want equality but going to have our own exclusive clubs that separate ourselves from everyone else...

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Harranold

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Pipehitterz said:
Totally correct

If anyone doesn't know , stokes is of Irish travelling decent, basically Gypsy , not sure if he's caravan type like Freddy but Gypsy all the same.

I'm 100%sure he didn't know it was a uk gay slur , and anyone that is jumping on his back need educating in international linguisticsj

totally untrue !!!!!
I know Chris,s family very well and a nicer family would be very hard to find!!
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Harranold said:
Pipehitterz said:
Totally correct

If anyone doesn't know , stokes is of Irish travelling decent, basically Gypsy , not sure if he's caravan type like Freddy but Gypsy all the same.

I'm 100%sure he didn't know it was a uk gay slur , and anyone that is jumping on his back need educating in international linguisticsj

totally untrue !!!!!
I know Chris,s family very well and a nicer family would be very hard to find!!
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I'm glad you didn't post that on twitter...

:)
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SBT

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The irony that Nick and others in this thread are missing is that gays and other minorities probably wouldn't need to organize themselves into minority groups if ignorant people like Chris Stokes just took the time to learn why certain words can be offensive to them. If people focused more energy on learning about that, rather than having a go at minorities for standing up for themselves, then these groups that are apparently so horrifying to some people would quickly have no reason to exist.

Learning to be polite about it isn't difficult, as Stokes will probably realize quite quickly. That's the part that shouldn't be a big deal - it'll make him a smarter, better person.
 
idm1975

idm1975

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SBT said:
The irony that Nick and others in this thread are missing is that gays and other minorities probably wouldn't need to organize themselves into minority groups if ignorant people like Chris Stokes just took the time to learn why certain words can be offensive to them. If people focused more energy on learning about that, rather than having a go at minorities for standing up for themselves, then these groups that are apparently so horrifying to some people would quickly have no reason to exist.

Learning to be polite about it isn't difficult, as Stokes will probably realize quite quickly. That's the part that shouldn't be a big deal - it'll make him a smarter, better person.
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You never called someone a name before?
 
Nick

Nick

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SBT said:
The irony that Nick and others in this thread are missing is that gays and other minorities probably wouldn't need to organize themselves into minority groups if ignorant people like Chris Stokes just took the time to learn why certain words can be offensive to them. If people focused more energy on learning about that, rather than having a go at minorities for standing up for themselves, then these groups that are apparently so horrifying to some people would quickly have no reason to exist.

Learning to be polite about it isn't difficult, as Stokes will probably realize quite quickly. That's the part that shouldn't be a big deal - it'll make him a smarter, better person.
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Of course he was wrong to say it, but he wasn't really preaching against gay people at all was he?

If he was saying things like being gay is wrong etc etc then I'd totally get it.

I'm white and real, does that mean I should make my own minority group because somebody says something about tall white people and then ask why I don't get treated the same? Or do i look at the context of things?

Of course there are real homophobes, racists etc but id say the problem is with them rather than the gay person. Surely they should be in a minority group?
 
ajsccfc

ajsccfc

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Tall white people get everything, there's not much to ask for. The chances of my NBA career taking off however are getting slim.
 
ajsccfc

ajsccfc

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I can't remember this Gary Deegan thing that keeps getting referenced at all. People on Twitter being stupid happens so often it doesn't stick in the memory too long.

Ed Balls
 
Nick

Nick

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ajsccfc said:
I can't remember this Gary Deegan thing that keeps getting referenced at all. People on Twitter being stupid happens so often it doesn't stick in the memory too long.

Ed Balls
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McPake got called up to Northern Ireland and I think Deegan said "up the RA" taking the mick / joking about it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...Coventry-suspend-Gary-Deegan-Up-RA-tweet.html

I don't think he said "I support the IRA" he just joked with McPake about his Northern Ireland callup, with him being Irish.
 
ajsccfc

ajsccfc

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The most shocking part is James McPake avoiding injury long enough to get an international callup.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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SBT said:
The irony that Nick and others in this thread are missing is that gays and other minorities probably wouldn't need to organize themselves into minority groups if ignorant people like Chris Stokes just took the time to learn why certain words can be offensive to them.
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Not that straightforward though is it. Stokes used a word that has more than one meaning, people have made the assumption he meant it in a homophobic way. Same as the BBC suddenly decided it was homophobic in Fairytale of New York and banned it. Its not even a term commonly used in this country as an insult, its American and they often shorten it to fag so is that word now banned as slang for cigarette?

What about the n word? Seemingly its fine for it to be in 101 rap songs but if anyone was to shout it at a player at the Ricoh there would, rightly, be outrage.
 
ajsccfc

ajsccfc

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It's all context. If someone in an office says they're nipping out to smoke a fag, everyone knows they're not about to film a gonzo murder porn. On Twitter and things like that, the written word loses that context and can be easily and readily jumped upon.
 
Mcbean

Mcbean

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So lessons learnt - faggots are tasty brown balls of questionable source

We should not use the word anywhere but in the butchers or quicksave

Internal investigation also has a double meaning - this shouldnt happen in the butchers or quicksave
 
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SBT

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Nick said:
Of course he was wrong to say it, but he wasn't really preaching against gay people at all was he?

If he was saying things like being gay is wrong etc etc then I'd totally get it.

I'm white and real, does that mean I should make my own minority group because somebody says something about tall white people and then ask why I don't get treated the same? Or do i look at the context of things?

Of course there are real homophobes, racists etc but id say the problem is with them rather than the gay person. Surely they should be in a minority group?
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Come on man, if you're really trying to claim that straight white blokes face discrimination like gays or racial minorities do are then you're better off on a Donald Trump forum. It's the dullest argument going.

The word faggot has been used to make gay people feel like shit for years. By his own admission, Stokes says he didn't know that. What's wrong with teaching him about it?

chiefdave said:
Not that straightforward though is it. Stokes used a word that has more than one meaning, people have made the assumption he meant it in a homophobic way. Same as the BBC suddenly decided it was homophobic in Fairytale of New York and banned it. Its not even a term commonly used in this country as an insult, its American and they often shorten it to fag so is that word now banned as slang for cigarette?

What about the n word? Seemingly its fine for it to be in 101 rap songs but if anyone was to shout it at a player at the Ricoh there would, rightly, be outrage.
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As others have said, it's all about context. I don't think anyone on here thinks Stokes meant to be homophobic (at least not consciously). But again, by his own admission, he didn't realise the context he used was offensive to plenty of people. I'm genuinely surprised that people are more concerned about bleeping out a word in a Pogues song than they are about our own players embarrassing themselves and the club on social media.
 
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