Nonleagueherewecome
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We should spread the rumour as a fact. Remember, as long as we type FACT afterwards, it's true!
i will be told! says Thorn (5 Viewers)
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We should spread the rumour as a fact. Remember, as long as we type FACT afterwards, it's true!
Otis
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If Juke goes and no replacement is brought in then I think attendances will drop like a stone as we will ultimately be relegating ourselves in November. There will be tremendous anger too.
We need the money and if it is £3 million then that would be fantastic in my view and I am all onboard with it, but that is on the proviso that we must ..... and I repeat, we must bring players in with some of the money and a direct replacement for Juke. It would suicide not to bring a striker in, even if it is a much cheaper alternative. Total suicide.
We would be left with the following at the club;
ROD - injured and not good enough for the Championship
Platt - 34 and not able to play every game.
McDonald - Warming the bench at the mo and not shown anything at all.
Fat Freddie - Outcast. Overweight and unfit.
We might as well just phone every club up and just give them the 3 points to save them on journey time.
The most worrying thing is that I think this transfer is going to happen and Thorn apparently seems to know nothing about it and if that is the case then no replacement will even have been considered or looked at and we have just 2 days to sort it out.
I can sense a tremendous amount of anger brewing if this all plays out like some of us fear.
We need the money and if it is £3 million then that would be fantastic in my view and I am all onboard with it, but that is on the proviso that we must ..... and I repeat, we must bring players in with some of the money and a direct replacement for Juke. It would suicide not to bring a striker in, even if it is a much cheaper alternative. Total suicide.
We would be left with the following at the club;
ROD - injured and not good enough for the Championship
Platt - 34 and not able to play every game.
McDonald - Warming the bench at the mo and not shown anything at all.
Fat Freddie - Outcast. Overweight and unfit.
We might as well just phone every club up and just give them the 3 points to save them on journey time.
The most worrying thing is that I think this transfer is going to happen and Thorn apparently seems to know nothing about it and if that is the case then no replacement will even have been considered or looked at and we have just 2 days to sort it out.
I can sense a tremendous amount of anger brewing if this all plays out like some of us fear.
There is already tremendous anger towards sisu,for many,this will be the final straw. I see no point in getting rid of juke and scratching around the lower leagues for a replacement,we will end up with some donkey from league 2. Mind you,he will fit in with the shit strikers we'll be left with. It's all immaterial anyway,we'll get nobody.
Otis
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I do see the point of getting rid of Juke though.
£3 million! We simply cannot turn that down if that is the true figure. We are losing money hand over fist. How can we afford not to accept the offer? Be madness to turn it down. That is not the issue. the issue is of replacements and more bodies in through the loan system.
£3 million! We simply cannot turn that down if that is the true figure. We are losing money hand over fist. How can we afford not to accept the offer? Be madness to turn it down. That is not the issue. the issue is of replacements and more bodies in through the loan system.
Sub
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thing is tho otis how much will they lose when we are relegated and the rest of the fans decide fuck it?? we lose millions if we drop a division alot more fans will decide not to go travelling support is less so that will be less income for ACL so they will be pissed off aswell its just gets worse!!!
Otis
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Agree. Just trying to see this from a strictly business point of view. Been loads of rumours of the club struggling to pay staff wages and us going under and owing money and spending against next year's ST sales etc. Fact is, we desperately need the money.
If we were to sell Juke for £3 mill and £2 mill went to the club and we were able to bring in 3 players inc a striker that could well benefit the club and make the squad stronger as well as bring in a stack of money.
I'm sure most of us would be happy with £1.75million let alone £3 million!!!
If we were to sell Juke for £3 mill and £2 mill went to the club and we were able to bring in 3 players inc a striker that could well benefit the club and make the squad stronger as well as bring in a stack of money.
I'm sure most of us would be happy with £1.75million let alone £3 million!!!
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Sub
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if we definatly need the money to pay wages that means it is not going to be available for players to be signed or loaned, the club is out of options SISU need to fuck off or they will destroy what faith the few fans that are still turning up have left. Typical of SISU good result last night and then we are all down again knowing our top scorer will be sold or loaned out and any other player coming the other way will be shit and a waste of time. the thing is Otis we know the money will not be invested in the team it will dissapear to so call service the clubs debts or the wanker kens fucking travelling costs and wages !!
Otis
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I agree. I don't think it will be re-invested, but it simply has to be!
As I say though, I'm sure if the offer was £2 million we'd snap their hands off , so if it's £3 million that means the club can have that £2 million and some of the rest of the money can go into the team, and do remember these are just loans so we probably wouldn't be expected to pay all the wages.
As I say though, I'm sure if the offer was £2 million we'd snap their hands off , so if it's £3 million that means the club can have that £2 million and some of the rest of the money can go into the team, and do remember these are just loans so we probably wouldn't be expected to pay all the wages.
Lord_Nampil
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Are sisu killing the club or was it already dead when they took over ???
Abit of both I think , something needs to change and it has done for 10 yrs!!
Abit of both I think , something needs to change and it has done for 10 yrs!!
Sub
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every man and his dog can see we need players but getting the crap from every club is only going to end up with us going one way !! Down !! after juke goes who will be next ??? craine, cligan, bigi, thomas, christie, keogh, wood ?? where does it stop we end up with no team and the damage to the club will be beyond repair it is almost at that point now and lets be honest there are only as many home fans there because people have season tickets. you can not blame them for going they have paid there money so they must use them but if there were no season ticket holders how many fans would be there ?? 2-3000 ????
shmmeee
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It's a deal "worth 3 million". So likely no more than 1.5 up front with the rest based on performance and promotion etc.
This is not good business, destroying your product to pay the bills is simply keeping the life support on for a couple more months. What happens when we can't pay wages in July? Who do we sell then? Thomas? Keogh? Then what do we do six months after that? We are fast approaching a situation where we will literally have no one of value to sell, what then?
This is not good business, destroying your product to pay the bills is simply keeping the life support on for a couple more months. What happens when we can't pay wages in July? Who do we sell then? Thomas? Keogh? Then what do we do six months after that? We are fast approaching a situation where we will literally have no one of value to sell, what then?
shmmeee
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It was debt free when they took over. Ranson had the right idea in building the playing staff up with quality signings and they abandoned that plan in the name of short termism. So yes, they killed it.
Otis
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Can't see that it matters how much is up front. We are already spending against next season's ST sales aren't we.
This is what asset stripping hedge funds do, I've said for ages this is all part of a (protracted) end game, anything with any value will be cashed in on. Hedge funds DO NOT WRITE OFF DEBTS AND WALK AWAY.
The Hoff still wants the club, in fact there was another big meeting on Saturday, which the Cassidys were also part of. The problem is getting them to piss off before they've recouped as much as possible. Any talk about how much if any AT will see is just a waste of time and if anyone thinks otherwise then quite frankly I'm staggered.
The Hoff still wants the club, in fact there was another big meeting on Saturday, which the Cassidys were also part of. The problem is getting them to piss off before they've recouped as much as possible. Any talk about how much if any AT will see is just a waste of time and if anyone thinks otherwise then quite frankly I'm staggered.
Sub
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COVENTRY CITY boss Andy Thorn insists he is desperate to keep hold of star striker Lukas Jutkiewicz but acknowledges the decision may be taken out of his hands.
As we reported on Tuesday morning, Southampton are readying a January bid in the region of £3million for City's prized asset and could even take him on loan prior to Thursday's deadline with a view to a permanent move in the new year.
Jutkiewicz, born in Southampton and on the club's books as a youngster, took his tally for the season to seven goals with a well-taken header to cancel out Peter Whittingham's strike in a 1-1 npower Championship draw with Cardiff.
The struggling Sky Blues certainly cannot afford to lose their top scorer as they attempt to stave off relegation and Thorn, who has coped admirably having been unable to replace a host of star names who departed over the summer, would love to keep him at the Ricoh Arena.
But he knows the cash-strapped club's delicate ongoing financial situation means owners SISU may finally be forced to cash in on his services having rejected a summer bid from Middlesbrough, who also continue to track the 22-year-old.
"I don't know what's going to happen, whatever happens I'll have to deal with," Thorn said.
"Managers now, I think across the game, don't dictate who goes in and out of clubs.
"They can have their opinion but it doesn't matter.
"We've had a lot of hurdles and obstacles put in front of us this year and we've blooded a lot of young boys into the team, they're a credit to the football club.
"I would love to keep Jutkiewicz, absolutely.
"But, as I said, I think the game is decided elsewhere when it comes to who stays and who doesn't. I've got to get on with whatever happens, that's not me bleating, that's how it is unfortunately."
Read More http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...may-not-be-mine-92746-29825836/#ixzz1eVwmmwBs
As we reported on Tuesday morning, Southampton are readying a January bid in the region of £3million for City's prized asset and could even take him on loan prior to Thursday's deadline with a view to a permanent move in the new year.
Jutkiewicz, born in Southampton and on the club's books as a youngster, took his tally for the season to seven goals with a well-taken header to cancel out Peter Whittingham's strike in a 1-1 npower Championship draw with Cardiff.
The struggling Sky Blues certainly cannot afford to lose their top scorer as they attempt to stave off relegation and Thorn, who has coped admirably having been unable to replace a host of star names who departed over the summer, would love to keep him at the Ricoh Arena.
But he knows the cash-strapped club's delicate ongoing financial situation means owners SISU may finally be forced to cash in on his services having rejected a summer bid from Middlesbrough, who also continue to track the 22-year-old.
"I don't know what's going to happen, whatever happens I'll have to deal with," Thorn said.
"Managers now, I think across the game, don't dictate who goes in and out of clubs.
"They can have their opinion but it doesn't matter.
"We've had a lot of hurdles and obstacles put in front of us this year and we've blooded a lot of young boys into the team, they're a credit to the football club.
"I would love to keep Jutkiewicz, absolutely.
"But, as I said, I think the game is decided elsewhere when it comes to who stays and who doesn't. I've got to get on with whatever happens, that's not me bleating, that's how it is unfortunately."
Read More http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...may-not-be-mine-92746-29825836/#ixzz1eVwmmwBs
Otis
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I don't think we will see any of it either Snozzer. From a CCFC point of view though it has to happen. It won't though. That's the stupidity of it all. We will be cutting off our nose to spite our face. Don't think Sisu care what division we are in. We desperately need shot of them.
stevo_ccfc
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I hate that or best players are being sold, but if it means we can finally bring in new owners then I accept the pain in the short term. As long as the club still exists at the end of all these shenanigans I will remain positive
2 things snozzer.
1) i agree, i hate SISU with a passion but even just a bit re-invested would surely be good? Even if its 500k? Plus the more money they get, the quicker they'll do one
2) Juke would go regardless if the club said yes or no. It’s his boyhood club who are top of the league.
torchomatic
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As he pointed out though, I think this is true for a lot of managers. It's the money men who make the decisions, not the football ones.
torchomatic
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Absolutely.
It was good to see him score last night, but he hasn't got the fire power to do it on his own. He's not a 25 goal a season man and he still misses more than he scores. If we got the money for him and bought a few lower league players then I'd be happy with that.
Similar with Clingan. Not bothered, he's not the player he was. I'm pretty tired of his giving the ball away and then holding his hand up as if that makes it all better.
Give the captaincy to Keogh, I say.
It was good to see him score last night, but he hasn't got the fire power to do it on his own. He's not a 25 goal a season man and he still misses more than he scores. If we got the money for him and bought a few lower league players then I'd be happy with that.
Similar with Clingan. Not bothered, he's not the player he was. I'm pretty tired of his giving the ball away and then holding his hand up as if that makes it all better.
Give the captaincy to Keogh, I say.
Wyken you are absolutely right to expect that. Unfortunately our club is run by a hedge fund who have a) failed in their initial goal and b) fallen upon hard times. They don't give a shiny shite now where we end up, this is about escaping with as much of their investment that they can.
They will piss off eventually but new owners will be left with an empty shell if a club. But like somebody said I'd take that, this is our club and always will be.
They will piss off eventually but new owners will be left with an empty shell if a club. But like somebody said I'd take that, this is our club and always will be.
stupot07
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The problem is Otis, we'll do the deal with southampton too late to bring anyone in and then won't be able to bring anyone in until Jan when the fee comes through, and then we'll probably leave it until the deadline day and miss our main targets (e.g Le Fondre) and have bring in our second 'first' choice. And leave us with 7-8 games without any replacements.
sy79
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I don't want to give up hope just yet on us staying in this league and I dont want the club to start prepping for league 1 just yet either!
Yes there is a time we need to take off our sky blue tinted specs but lets keep them on for a little longer!
I just hope SISU agree........!
Yes there is a time we need to take off our sky blue tinted specs but lets keep them on for a little longer!
I just hope SISU agree........!
From A.T.'s comments, Juke will be off this week and there's nothing he can do to stop that happening as he has no athority beyond that of managing what he is allowed to have.
How can a manager motivate a team when his own motivation must be rock bottom due to the way he is treated.
I just can't justify giving SISU any more of my hard earned cash as they don't invest anything into the club that I love!
They will continue to asset strip the team until the end of January and only then when relegation is certain will they hand over the club to another investor. I won't be back in the ground until a new owner is in charge or I see signifiicant signs if investment. Maybe just maybe if the income becomes less they will leave sooner.
How can a manager motivate a team when his own motivation must be rock bottom due to the way he is treated.
I just can't justify giving SISU any more of my hard earned cash as they don't invest anything into the club that I love!
They will continue to asset strip the team until the end of January and only then when relegation is certain will they hand over the club to another investor. I won't be back in the ground until a new owner is in charge or I see signifiicant signs if investment. Maybe just maybe if the income becomes less they will leave sooner.
Snozzer me old pal, for me, the more SISU get the quicker they'll do one. The only reason there still here is to recoup money. We all know were going to play league 1 football next season. Hopefully by then they'll be gone and will start a fresh.
Sub
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doesnt look like it :facepalm::facepalm:
skybluereeve
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Snozzer you been right all along mate (not that i doubted you) can't believe people think its a good deal? In the sense we will see nothing and only have until tomorrow to replace even if we did get a slice of cash! Its a joke mate it really is. The only good thing they may take the 3 mill and fuck off for good.
Tankie
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It is my belief!
That our owners Sisu/Finance: will fast track any of our players that have cought the eye of other clubs, through the front door,"or more LIKELY...The back door" of the Ricoh Arena in the next few weeks.
I dont expect manager Thorn, to see one penny piece to bolster our squad, as Sisu, and their investors, whistle while the ship goes down.
I dont believe any Take over, in whatever form it takes will go ahead until all of the assets have been stripped from our club, then and only then! will the "Rats leave the ship"
Tank Top..
That our owners Sisu/Finance: will fast track any of our players that have cought the eye of other clubs, through the front door,"or more LIKELY...The back door" of the Ricoh Arena in the next few weeks.
I dont expect manager Thorn, to see one penny piece to bolster our squad, as Sisu, and their investors, whistle while the ship goes down.
I dont believe any Take over, in whatever form it takes will go ahead until all of the assets have been stripped from our club, then and only then! will the "Rats leave the ship"
Tank Top..
We'll_live_and_die
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Someone has already hinted at this, but won't SISU leave once they have re-couped their losses? I think the general concensus is that people won't mind relegation if they go. Surely if they sell pretty much the whole squad in Jan, take their money and run and we end up relegated will allow for new owners to come in and rebuild. Why people fret over losing players is beyond me. There are many more players around of similar quality that could be purchased when new owners come in?
Otis
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Tis hitting home. Sure people do understand that. It is sheer bloody stupidity though. We sell Juke and don't bring in a replacement then we are pretty condemning ourselves to relegation in November.
Basic common sense tells you, take the money, take a large wadge of it and give just a little back to strengthen the squad to try and give us a fighting chance.
We give up now and the fans are really going to get angry. I'm with you though. Just don't think this will happen at all and there'll be no replacement.