Mean while back in court (13 Viewers)

[Skyblueweeman]

I'd rather stick with SISU then be taken over by Wasps to be honest.

Agreed. And I wouldn't say they're loaded...they owe investors £35m in 7 years don't they?

 

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[stupot07]

Sisu's time must surely be up now. There is nowhere and nothing else for Sisu to do / offer

Does anyone else get a feeling that we might get taken over by Wasps, Are they not loaded?

They own the Ricoh, would get money from the football and rugby side, potential to make fortunes if invested correctly and got us to the premier league with TV rights etc...

Wasps won't take us over, they have no money which is why they "had to move", and then did the bonds to pay their owner back and the council loan.

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[dongonzalos]

Not sure why people think they will go. I think this decision will mean they remain around for a long time yet.

Was just thinking that
It they were paid a chunk central government were they more likely to go?
However then I am torn thinking but should they be rewarded for nothing, but causing a load of grief?

 

[oucho]

Not sure why people think they will go. I think this decision will mean they remain around for a long time yet.

Don't see why it would make any difference Torch. The club itself isn't a party to the dispute now, so presumably there would be no impact on the litigation if they pursued this as "ex-owners" rather than "owners". It's a historic dispute so current ownership shouldn't make any difference. Therefore, the judgement itself should therefore make no impact on how long they stay around. I might be wrong though??

 

[skybluebeduff]

So SISU lost in court...again?

 

[Skyblueweeman]

And I don't think this is the end of it. SISU being SISU I'd imagine would now take this to the European Court of Appeal.

I'd love them to draw a line under this but we all know that's not their style...

 

[oucho]

Why does this view persist that CCFC will be taken over b Wasps??? It'll never happen. There isn't an iota of evidence to suggest that they want to, or any reason at all for them to do so.

 

[torchomatic]

SISU or CCC?

However then I am torn thinking but should they be rewarded for nothing, but causing a load of grief?

 

[armybike]

onto the wasps deal...

http://coventryobserver.co.uk/news/...ouncils-wasps-deal-ricoh-bailout-appeal-lost/

it baffles me, i can't see what they are going to gain apart from paying lawyers (both theirs and the councils)

ffs!

 

[duffer]

Sisu's time must surely be up now.

Does anyone else get a feeling that we might get taken over by Wasps, Are they not loaded?

There is nowhere and nothing else for Sisu to do / offer

They own the Ricoh, would get money from the football and rugby side, potential to make fortunes if invested correctly and got us to the premier league with TV rights etc...

Wasps are only loaded because they're £30m in debt to their bondholders. I see nothing in their recent history to suggest that Wasps owners are any better than SISU, they do not have Coventry City's (or the City of Coventry's) interests at heart.

They've bought an historic rugby club and turned it into a franchise to suit purely their own financial interests. These aren't the people I want to see in charge of our club.

 

[torchomatic]

They don't have the money too either and personally Wasps owners are as bad as SISU, if not worse.

Why does this view persist that CCFC will be taken over b Wasps??? It'll never happen. There isn't an iota of evidence to suggest that they want to, or any reason at all for them to do so.

 

[oucho]

The second the verdict popped up, there was a lot of startled people in my open plan office as a I leapt out of my chair whilst cheering and fist pumping, trying to high-five bemused co-workers and then walking around the office, arms aloft then playing a bit of air guitar.


Happy days!!!!!!!!!!

 

[armybike]

"Reaction from CCFC

A CCFC spokesman said: “We’re aware of the judgement passed down at the High Court today.

“We’d like to assure supporters that this outcome today does not affect the day-to-day operations of the club. CCFC remains focused on supporting manager Tony Mowbray and his management staff so that we can build a strong squad which will challenge for promotion for the upcoming 2016/17 season.

“We will not be making any further comment at this time.”

A separate statement from owners Sisu is expected later."

 

[torchomatic]

Jesus.

The second the verdict popped up, there was a lot of startled people in my open plan office as a I leapt out of my chair whilst cheering and fist pumping, trying to high-five bemused co-workers and then walking around the office, arms aloft then playing a bit of air guitar.


Happy days!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Nick]

The second the verdict popped up, there was a lot of startled people in my open plan office as a I leapt out of my chair whilst cheering and fist pumping, trying to high-five bemused co-workers and then walking around the office, arms aloft then playing a bit of air guitar.


Happy days!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, confirmed you are on the wind up.

 

[dongonzalos]

Onto the Wasps deal...

http://coventryobserver.co.uk/news/...ouncils-wasps-deal-ricoh-bailout-appeal-lost/

It baffles me, I can't see what they are going to gain apart from paying lawyers (both theirs and the councils)

I think in the past people can't sustain the costs and eventually back down or eventually you will find a judge who sees it your way.
Also will JR2 force Wasps into the action. If so this one really worries me as they are the ones we really need in side to have a genuine sustainable future in my opinion.
If Wasps are forced to defend themselves is there an aim to put financial pressure on them?

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

WTF is there to be happy about, you daft prick? While there may not have been a legal basis to find in SISU's favour, there is no doubt that the Council have been working to fuck the football club over for years

 

[Nick]

WTF is there to be happy about, you daft prick? While there may not have been a legal basis to find in SISU's favour, there is no doubt that the Council have been working to fuck the football club over for years

Thing is, they aren't being judged on that. It was only if the loan was legal or not.

It would be interesting if there could be a court case against bad treatment of CCFC by councils, owners, past owners etc.

 

[dongonzalos]

Bugger, we're not going to get promoted now!

Oucho did a deal with the devil over this one he sold our promotion down the river!!!!

 

[duffer]

Fair reply Duffer but don't ever, ever, call me SBK again! It's SBW or SBWM to you ;-)

Sorry SBW! Unforgiveable mistake.

 

[Nick]

I think in the past people can't sustain the costs and eventually back down or eventually you will find a judge who sees it your way.
Also will JR2 force Wasps into the action. If so this one really worries me as they are the ones we really need in side to have a genuine sustainable future in my opinion.
If Wasps are forced to defend themselves is there an aim to put financial pressure on them?

Maybe some of the details about that deal will come out...

As long as the money isn't from the CCFC pot then crack on, but I won't be surprised if SISU lose again.

 

[hill83]

The second the verdict popped up, there was a lot of startled people in my open plan office as a I leapt out of my chair whilst cheering and fist pumping, trying to high-five bemused co-workers and then walking around the office, arms aloft then playing a bit of air guitar.


Happy days!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Sorry SBW! Unforgiveable mistake.

No worries. You're still on the Xmas card list.

 

[oldskyblue58]

Onto the Wasps deal...

http://coventryobserver.co.uk/news/...ouncils-wasps-deal-ricoh-bailout-appeal-lost/

It baffles me, I can't see what they are going to gain apart from paying lawyers (both theirs and the councils)

Think it baffles most people Nick.

The problem they will have in claiming any compensation will be linking the cause and effect. JR1 would seem to be gone so once the club threw the keys in at the Ricoh then they severed any links

Here is another thought. The prospects of doing an improved long term deal at the Ricoh whilst SISU are suing Wasps are ........................ (a) excellent (b) good (c) maybe (d) small chance (e) no chance

 

[hill83]

As much as I can see the merits in SISU's case, I do wish a line could be drawn under it now. Carry on trying to get the club into a self-sufficient position, negotiate (as much as it pains me to say it) the best possible deal with Wasps/ACL and cut your losses by making the club available for takeover. Enough is enough.

Basically this. Altough isn't doesn't pain me to say it as I couldn't give a fuck, I just want sexy football and beer.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

Agree Nick ... it's a moral vs legal argument!
Incidentally I don't know what the burden of proof is in a Judicial Review ... is it "beyond reasonable doubt" (which is unusual for a civil matter), or "on the balance of probabilities". Were SISU trying to claim that CCC had acted "illegally" (i.e. contrary to criminal law)?

 

[Nick]

Also, was this expected? As the Observer had the pressing on against wasps article up within minutes!

 

[Philosoraptor]

Damn, Les was quick with that. To read the judgement, understand the judgement, get in contact with the owners, get a reply from the owners, and to write a good bit of prose. All under 24 minutes. I guess the other one is now running to the council to get their side of the story.

Not good to have a shitfest like this going on.

 

[dongonzalos]

Thing is, they aren't being judged on that. It was only if the loan was legal or not.

It would be interesting if there could be a court case against bad treatment of CCFC by councils, owners, past owners etc.

Agreed this is all about the legal aid. I would love to see a court case that looked at all the decisions by the council and the charity but in the context of full disclosure of all the emails, strategy plans and tactics by SISU.
It is pointless examining the council's behaviour unless you can look at the true context in which led to them taking such actions.

There is not a cat in hells chance a council sat down and thought right this year we need to improve services increase jobs. Collude, fuck over and force our own football club out of their home and attempt to destroy it if possible.
Councils of today and the past would have always wanted the best for their home town football club. It creates a feel good factor in the city and increases the chances of your campaign as been seen as successful.
Taking on your local football club can be damaging to your campaign
To get to this point is very extreme.
It would have taken a giant amount of provocation and forced them to the point where they have had to do something they really didn't want to do.
That provocation never ever gets digged into and exposed because it was at the hands of a private company.
Whilst the council gets hung out to dry.

 

[Nick]

Agree Nick ... it's a moral vs legal argument!
Incidentally I don't know what the burden of proof is in a Judicial Review ... is it "beyond reasonable doubt" (which is unusual for a civil matter), or "on the balance of probabilities". Were SISU trying to claim that CCC had acted "illegally" (i.e. contrary to criminal law)?

I think it was more against rules and regulations wasn't it?

 

[Nick]

Agreed this is all about the legal aid. I would love to see a court case that looked at all the decisions by the council and the charity but in the context of full disclosure of all the emails, strategy plans and tactics by SISU.
It is pointless examine the council's behaviour unless you can look at the true context in which led to them taking such actions.

There is not a cat in hells chance a council sat down and thought right this year we need to improve services increase jobs. Collude, fuck over and force our own football club out of their home and attempt to destroy it if possible.
Councils of today and the past would have always wanted the best for their home town foitball club. It creates a feel good factor in the city and increases the chances of your campaign as been seen as successful.
Taking on your local football club can be damaging to your campaign
To get to this point is very extreme.
It would have taken a giant amount of provocation and forced them to the point where they have had to do something they really didn't want to do.
That provocation never ever gets digged inti and exposed because it was at the hands of a private company
Whilst the council gets hung out to dry.

You then have to remember, it dates back to before SISU. People were saying the council weren't helping before there was a Tim Fisher or Joy Seppalla in town..

 

[duffer]

Time to move on. Enough is enough. More focus from SISU on the club and not on court cases.

With respect CJ, who are you or I to say that? This case might be done, but there are some mighty big questions about the conduct of the Council with regard to the arena and the sale that I'd be more than happy to be thrashed out properly in court.

And this has nothing to do with supporting SISU, but everything to do with making sure that our elected representatives and their officers are properly answerable for their decisions.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Here is another thought. The prospects of doing an improved long term deal at the Ricoh whilst SISU are suing Wasps are ........................ (a) excellent (b) good (c) maybe (d) small chance (e) no chance

I thought that as well OSB but JR2 would be about the decision making process and valuation of the Ricoh by CCC, not Wasps isn't it? Wasps paid what they were asked to...that's not something that can be scrutinized. Isn't it the valuation that would be looked at in JR2?

I agree with the sentiment though that continued legal action will no doubt harm 'negotiations/discussions' with Wasps/ACL.

 

[dongonzalos]

Damn, Les was quick with that. To read the judgement, understand the judgement, get in contact with the owners, get a reply from the owners, and to write a good bit of prose. All under 24 minutes. I guess the other one is now running to the council to get their side of the story.

Not good to have a shitfest like this going on.

Remember to get the story without any spin go to Les, he is impartial

 

[dongonzalos]

Also, was this expected? As the Observer had the pressing on against wasps article up within minutes!

The two parties got a heads up last time before it was officially announced
Then again both sides Press people can prepare a statement for both outcomes.