FAO the ‘Thorn is a miracle worker’ lot on here (18 Viewers)
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stupot07
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This begs the question that if we are going to be even more reliant on youngsters in the next couple of seasons, why make a change that could jeopardise the production of the young players we're gonna end up relying on?
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well I know someone who works at the academy as a coach and it is not carsley who is calling the shots there its rioch! I also know someone who is part of the first team set up and the players love thorn and have nothing but respect for him!
well I know someone who works at the academy as a coach and it is not carsley who is calling the shots there its rioch! I also know someone who is part of the first team set up and the players love thorn and have nothing but respect for him!
Mumford and Daughter
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I hate the saying hes trying his best. I could try my best, you could try your best.
Hes not good enough. Simple as that. His record speaks for itself.
torchomatic
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We're deep in trouble. We need experience. We can't give the job to someone so they can "have a crack at it". We haven't got the luxury of letting a potential new manager learn while doing the job. I'd rather have Boothroyd back!
Mumford and Daughter
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they have no respect for him (Thorn) the drerssing room is split. its far from rosey in the first team.
Mumford and Daughter
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but thats what were doing at the moment. and i feel Carsley would do a better job then thorn the secondhand cars salesman
Mumford and Daughter
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fair enough Lloyd but his record is awful. If it was a more high profile manager say Coleman, would he be getting the same support? doubt it. people feel sorry for Thorn because hes a likeable fella nit because hes a good manager
Thorny Subject
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that would be the way, replace one unproven manager who clearly has the worst job in football with another unproven manger who is doing well with our academy. Just how many managerial careers can CCFC destroy before people realise that the problem with the club is that we dont have a pot to piss in.
In my opinion Thorn is doing a very good job just to be keeping us competitive at the moment. It is going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets any better.
In my opinion Thorn is doing a very good job just to be keeping us competitive at the moment. It is going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets any better.
Mumford and Daughter
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Competitive????? 2 wins in 18, hardly competitive.
torchomatic
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ashbyjan
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Dressing rooms always split when things are going badly - many players are too self centered and too egotistical to look at themselves and realise that maybe they are the problem. Far easier to blame the manager, the team mates, the kids, the fans, the weather, the make of ball, the scratchy collars of the new shirts etc. Maybe some of the overpaid prima donas should look at themselves, look at their bloated (relative to their contribution to the cause and those of the average fan) pay packets and go out onto the pitch and at least break sweat, if not for Thorn then for the supporters and their own self respect.
Mumford and Daughter
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Cant disclose who from but a first team player
Mumford and Daughter
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No one knows the answer but i know Thorn isnt the man for the job. I suport the team when im there but forgive me if im wrong but this is a forum for fans to express there thoughts isn't?
torchomatic
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oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
out of interest when do people consider players to got some decent experience ? say 20 starts in the team and they are begining to know what its about ?
Squad of 30
14 senior players
plus 3 keepers other than Murphy
plus youngsters - Cameron, ROD, Deagan all played well over 20 professional games (starting)
plus even younger - Thomas (11) Gael (11) Hussey (16) Clarke (20)
Yes it is young but the experience is building.
And before you say it yes i know it is still too young and lacks depth of senior players. But at some point we have to stop saying we struggle because we are such a young squad
Squad of 30
14 senior players
plus 3 keepers other than Murphy
plus youngsters - Cameron, ROD, Deagan all played well over 20 professional games (starting)
plus even younger - Thomas (11) Gael (11) Hussey (16) Clarke (20)
Yes it is young but the experience is building.
And before you say it yes i know it is still too young and lacks depth of senior players. But at some point we have to stop saying we struggle because we are such a young squad
Otis
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I don't understand all the venom on here. As with most things this isn't simply black and white. Thorn is our manager and I will support him. He is making many mistakes though and I think it is all good and proper to point out these frailties and discuss it on a football forum.
The movement is god damn awful and we all know it is. No-one can deny that. On the whole we pass the ball to the man and not into the space. If we just worked on pass and move, something so simple then we would be more of a threat. There is a lack of support into the forwards too. There are things we can put in place to give us more of a fighting chance.
Or are people honestly saying that our players are so poor than can not even do the basic footballing trait of pass and move?
Cos if that is true then these players are not good enough to be professional footballers.
Ohh and Thorn scouted many of them so surely would have seen that these players have no footballing brain and cannot move into a space. That too would make him culpable.
The movement is god damn awful and we all know it is. No-one can deny that. On the whole we pass the ball to the man and not into the space. If we just worked on pass and move, something so simple then we would be more of a threat. There is a lack of support into the forwards too. There are things we can put in place to give us more of a fighting chance.
Or are people honestly saying that our players are so poor than can not even do the basic footballing trait of pass and move?
Cos if that is true then these players are not good enough to be professional footballers.Ohh and Thorn scouted many of them so surely would have seen that these players have no footballing brain and cannot move into a space. That too would make him culpable.
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SkyBlue_Bear83
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I think the our squad refelcts our league position currently.
Mumford and Daughter
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Our starting 11 however is not the 23rd worst 11 in the league.
Thorny Subject
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We have Academy kids who are being thrust into the first team because of the dire situation on the club. 2 wins in 18 isnt good reading in black and white, but what did you honestly expect given the level of backing he has received?. Yes we are competitive and the last 3 home games against 3 of the best sides in the league are anything to go by, we are not that far off.
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
hold up ........ so on the one hand we are suffering because we are having to use inexperienced youngsters ...... then on the other hand with Bigi, Thomas, Christie in the team we are not far off ?
Mumford and Daughter
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If your old enough your good enough. These lads having been playing football since the age of 10.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Isn't the saying if you're good enough, you're old enough?
There are plenty of people who would be old enough but not good enough.
Mumford and Daughter
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Isn't the saying if you're good enough, you're old enough?
There are plenty of people who would be old enough but not good enough.
my bad, but you know what i mean. If they have the talent then play them
Colonel Mustard
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The team is five points and -7 goals deep in the relegation zone having played one game more than just about everyone else. And it's not even December.
So I'd suggest we appoint anyone with a pulse, to be frank. How much worse could they do?
Thorny Subject
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Exactly my point given that the entire thread has been that thorn isnt the man for the job. I was saying that despite the fact he has had to throw in the kids, he still has them compeitive. looking at the 2 sides on saturday versus west ham on paper, we shouldnt have been on the same pitch as them but at times we taught them a football lesson. I think thorny should have some credit for this.
Grendel
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This is all very true. Yes we have a poor squad but is it any worse than Peterborough, Barnsley or Millwall? Probably not. He is not forced to play Acadamy players either - he has other options Wood, Bell, Baker etc. If the best argument that is put up is there is no-one else that to me says it all. And it probably does. The truth is he is a typical SISU transaction - poor, not qualified and not up to the job as with all other managerial appointments they have made. He will stay as long as SISU does but if they ever move on then so will he and that will be the end of his managerial career. If he had any serious aspirations to be a maneger he would have gone himself by now - he is not exactly improving his CV is he? Also it is amusing that supporters of him quote the great players he has allegedly bought to the club (which no-one knows) and conveniently forget all the dross that have come in since his tenure in that role.