I cannot recall ever mocking the guy. What did I say ( iyo )?
Butts park arena? (48 Viewers)
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skybluetony176
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TBF if JS is now backtracking martcov may well have had a point when mocking him.
No-one can say drop the action and you will get whatever you want. SISU are the ones pursuing the JR. The CCC block is a show of force that they too can be cunts. The CCC don't need to talk to SISU. It's up to SISU to come to CCC as they are the local authority and the freeholders. If SISU
stupot07
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25ks big enough, and even at 30k there would be people that would miss out for the odd big game, or do you think we should go bigger, perhaps 40k in the off chance we might get into the champions league.
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stupot07
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Obviously short to medium term we will have to stay at the Ricoh, however, I wish people would stop presuming that the rent will stay as low as it is now, and we do pay for the running costs of the stadium, that's a matchday costs which are about £250k pa
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torchomatic
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And we avoid all the money a stadium generates too. Brilliant.
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I am not presuming the rent stays low and assume that we need some control of a stadium long Term. If CRFC do get a 15000 stadium built, it would be an alternative to be used as a 'Northampton' style exit to force a deal with Wasps. Long term though we need something bigger than 15000.
skybluetony176
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How much is it going to generate? What will the split of that turnover and profit be between CCFC and CRFC? It's not just about the profits what about the costs? The cost of redevelopment for starters, what debt will that load onto the club? How much will that cost us a year? How many years will that be over? What's the split on the liabilities between CCFC and CRFC? What about the running costs? What's the split between CCFC and CRFC? There's alot of details to come out before we can make an informed decision on this.
stupot07
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What would crfc then do with the 15k stadium that we have jointly financed?
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I am assuming in this case scenario that the Rugby Club go it alone.
The amount of money the club gets from a New Stadium is dependant on the deal with the stadium owners ( propco ) and whatever facilities come with the stadium. The propco investors want a return on their money. The Butts doesn't have much space for facilities. So, you don't have a clue whether the club will be better off from the money the stadium ( in this case The Butts ) generates or not. 100000 is, however, peanuts for a 32000 stadium rental.
CA's Job is to work out these figures.
torchomatic
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You know exactly as much as i do so you might want to save thw Doomsday Scenario until you do.
In the meantime just keep moaning.
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I know, but if SISU propco build a new one we may be going from the frying pan into the fire. There are no guarantees - either way.
skybluetony176
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What doomsday scenario? I've asked questions not stated a scenario. I'm well aware that I know as much as you. I keep pointing this out you. You're queuing up at the Butts to get in and you have absolutely no idea of what A) it means for the club and B) if it's the best option for the club.
All I want is some answers before I jump in with both feet. Not exactly a stupid notion is it?
Tony is merely pointing out considerations that must be taken into account. Stop dreaming that Santa is coming with a new toy ( stadium in this case ). Santa doesn't exist and if a Stadium does come it will be financed by investors not ST holders - we are having enough trouble trying to be self sufficient without building a stadium. Investors want a return - then we will see what is left over for the club.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/council-official-says-attempt-block-11353953
It looks like the "plan" has been presented to Council. Why did Clewes have to go fishing - why not take the normal route of just asking? It seems the Council deliberately blocked the proposal knowing full well they were not entitled to and delayed a private company from going about its business.
One positive about the Butts... The Rumaniens on the carpark do a good hand car wash for 7 quid....
Otis
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Ah, let's all get ridiculous, eh!!
No-one is talking about about 90,000 seater stadiums, or indeed an 80,000, or 70,0000, or 60, or 50, or even 40.
We just want to be able to compete with the likes of Stoke and West Brom and Norwich and Southampton etc.
15,000 is fine in the very short term, but it won't take us very far forwards. We just want to be on an even footing with clubs of a similar ilk and though we are not there right now in terms of League status or success, just one promotion could change all that.
Where do we want to be in 5 years would you say? For me it would be promotion and making a good fist of it in the Championship.
We need something expandable that will take us forwards and as a club we should have ambition.
No-one is talking about anything ridiculous, just sensible for the future and on the proviso we want to be a successful club.
If we don't want that we might as well all just pack in now.
We need to stop just looking at the here and now and requirement this very minute in League One and look it terms of an optimistic future and what will see us through the next 5-10 years and beyond.
We need to be fair to Cov Rugby club too and make a firm commitment and the goal of a long term future together.
Nick
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I am not sure anybody would actually believe the fishing story would they?
Otis
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Fishing stories are always exaggerated. 'I caught a fish this big!' when in reality it is usually just a stickleback.
They are entitled to go fishing. Any block would ultimately have to be approved and for that to Happen more details would have to come from CRFC and CCFC. In view of the ongoing JRs which cost the council time and money thus delaying other city projects, I have no sympathy for SISU experiencing delays. Although up until now I don't know of any delays caused by the council. Nothing has happened yet... I would have thought SISU would offer to drop the JR against a pledge of mutual respect and cooperation. Why don't they (iyo)?
Nick
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Why would they need more details from them to block it?
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It probably is.
Whilst I don't disagree with a lot of this, they both need to talk to each other, really, as the consequece of not talking could be the city loses its football club to oblivion, and CCC arguably need that more than SISU. I do take the general point however... although imagine a scenario of dropping JR2, and then the Butts not getting passed. *That* would be an ultimate cuntish result.
So I hope he 'we won't talk' is more a 'we won't put this on a formal footing'. Much like the Richardson/McGinnity/Robinson confidentiality agreements, the Wasps deal would leave even more of a sour taste if it doesn't play out in entirity but yes, if we end up with a city centre ground then yes, drop it all... and let Wasps go bust naturally, anyway
Exactly....Ah, let's all get ridiculous, eh!!
No-one is talking about about 90,000 seater stadiums, or indeed an 80,000, or 70,0000, or 60, or 50, or even 40.
We just want to be able to compete with the likes of Stoke and West Brom and Norwich and Southampton etc.
15,000 is fine in the very short term, but it won't take us very far forwards. We just want to be on an even footing with clubs of a similar ilk and though we are not there right now in terms of League status or success, just one promotion could change all that.
Where do we want to be in 5 years would you say? For me it would be promotion and making a good fist of it in the Championship.
We need something expandable that will take us forwards and as a club we should have ambition.
No-one is talking about anything ridiculous, just sensible for the future and on the proviso we want to be a successful club.
If we don't want that we might as well all just pack in now.
We need to stop just looking at the here and now and requirement this very minute in League One and look it terms of an optimistic future and what will see us through the next 5-10 years and beyond.
We need to be fair to Cov Rugby club too and make a firm commitment and the goal of a long term future together.
Wasn't it the Rugby Club who approached the Council in June ( according to the Cov Tel ) not SISU - when did CCC raise the issue with CRFC and and get a reply. Surely not 10 months ?
You mean they are floundering?
Otis
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I really don't want to piss in anyone's chips, but if you look at that picture there is no way on this earth anyone would be allowed to build a much bigger stand there that would block out the light of the buildings behind.
This therefore just reinforces the suggestion of a sunken pitch, but we all know that would add millions to the project. Even on the drawing board I can foresee major problems.
I really hope someone can conjure up a bit of magic that would make the whole thing feasible, but transport links are going to be terrible through to anything like a 20,000+ seater stadium.
My wife quite often has to be dropped off in Queen's Road at the back of the Butts on a Saturday afternoon around 1.30 pm and the traffic getting through can be really bad. Usually tailbacks on the Radford Road through to town and then again at the Earlsdon/Tile Hill exit on the ring road, with queues into IKEA and the SkyDome.
I really think there would be massive opposition from local residents, especially around the Earlsdon area, where getting in and out on a match day could be horrific.
Think there are massive obstacles in the way and while in theory it all seems ideal, the reality of it ever happening is a lot, lot less likely.
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Because of the effect on the area. A lot of people live there. Up til now CCC only know/ knew what CRFC had planned. A second or even third adds to noise, traffic etc. nothing will or can Happen without further details. That is normal in a democracy - as you like to point out ( when it suits ).
Otis
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One question mark too few there, Glen I think.
I really don't want to piss in anyone's chips, but if you look at that picture there is no way on this earth anyone would be allowed to build a much bigger stand there that would block out the light of the buildings behind.
This therefore just reinforces the suggestion of a sunken pitch, but we all know that would add millions to the project. Even on the drawing board I can foresee major problems.
I really hope someone can conjure up a bit of magic that would make the whole thing feasible, but transport links are going to be terrible through to anything like a 20,000+ seater stadium.
My wife quite often has to be dropped off in Queen's Road at the back of the Butts on a Saturday afternoon around 1.30 pm and the traffic getting through can be really bad. Usually tailbacks on the Radford Road through to town and then again at the Earlsdon/Tile Hill exit on the ring road, with queues into IKEA and the SkyDome.
I really think there would be massive opposition from local residents, especially around the Earlsdon area, where getting in and out on a match day could be horrific.
Think there are massive obstacles in the way and while in theory it all seems ideal, the reality of it ever happening is a lot, lot less likely.
Have you seen the height of those rear buildings? They are 10 storeys high - doubt if the stands are going that height
As to the traffic problems - that is mainly down to shambolic highways design and needs revising anyway
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