If I Was head of the sky blue trust (13 Viewers)

[hill83]

I'm not anonymous. You've got my surname, my year of birth and my mug on my avatar.

 

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[Steve.B50]

What anonymity? The trust hierarchy know exactly who I am.

I for one have no idea who you are and am sure that if any board member knew you I would have been told.

 

[Steve.B50]

much the same as the council & SISU the Trust & the owners have to step back and re-evaluate their relationship. Let's be clear that this was an ownership that only comparatively recently started to open up and communicate with the fanbase (whether it was a tactical move in relation to the rent issues, original ACL issues etc. is open to debate).
The Trust need to take a more balanced approach to the ownership and deal with them on an issue by issue basis - not a blanket negative approach.
Going forward if we are to move to the BPA or somewhere else there does need to be constructive communication between the ownership and larger supporters groups.

I think we have stepped back to some degree and re-evaluated our position.
However some want us to be fully active all the time and that's not possible as we have our own lives.
We were asked the other day why we do not get everyone's opinion when putting out a statement, as am sure you will applicate that is not feasible.

 

[Grendel]

The likes of Tony are a symptom of the problem. I am bored with his distraction.

I actually believe the club are heading for crises point.

I think OSB slants his argument but of course he is correct that the timing of media releases are far from a co-incidence. This week I believe presents a real threat to the clubs very existence. The club has stated it would consider the possibility of a share at the Butts stadium. Now one may be cynical but this has to be seized upon. Arguments about capacity and potential are frankly pathetic.

The club to meet FL requirements HAS to have some permanency at some stage. So there is an indication this is an option. In truth even if this ended up being a 10,000 stadium the bluff needs calling. Lets confirm agreement from all parties, lets engage all parties and lets get solid commitment from both clubs. If they flounder in commitment then we know/

At the moment there is impotence all round. I am sceptical we will even have a club in three years. Sisu are a mystical outfit. They have some interest or they would have closed the operation down when we were relegated. We need to understand that work on that and work on Anderson

 

[Ian1779]

The day Wasps arrived on the scene the Trust should have openly condemned the idea of a franchise coming to our city and buying the Ricoh.

That single action would have galvanised support behind their movement and brought a lot of fans together.

It was a massive opportunity missed.

We are where we are now, the only way I can see it ever rebuilding it's credibility is to cease all communication and interaction with Wasps immediately.

 

[Steve.B50]

The day Wasps arrived on the scene the Trust should have openly condemned the idea of a franchise coming to our city and buying the Ricoh.

That single action would have galvanised support behind their movement and brought a lot of fans together.

It was a massive opportunity missed.

We are where we are now, the only way I can see it ever rebuilding it's credibility is to cease all communication and interaction with Wasps immediately.

Ian
Sorry do not agree, although most who come on here are anti Wasps have we any idea how many supporters follow both the Franchise Rugby team and the City?
Also, we are no longer in any form of communication with the Wasps, all we did was break the ice for the club to open up a dialogue with them then left them to it.

 

[skybluetony176]

The likes of Tony are a symptom of the problem. I am bored with his distraction.

I actually believe the club are heading for crises point.

I think OSB slants his argument but of course he is correct that the timing of media releases are far from a co-incidence. This week I believe presents a real threat to the clubs very existence. The club has stated it would consider the possibility of a share at the Butts stadium. Now one may be cynical but this has to be seized upon. Arguments about capacity and potential are frankly pathetic.

The club to meet FL requirements HAS to have some permanency at some stage. So there is an indication this is an option. In truth even if this ended up being a 10,000 stadium the bluff needs calling. Lets confirm agreement from all parties, lets engage all parties and lets get solid commitment from both clubs. If they flounder in commitment then we know/

At the moment there is impotence all round. I am sceptical we will even have a club in three years. Sisu are a mystical outfit. They have some interest or they would have closed the operation down when we were relegated. We need to understand that work on that and work on Anderson

You almost lost me with your opening but you have my vote. You actually made some good points to be fair. Now are you standing? If for no other reason than so the current hierarchy will actually know who you are.

 

[Grendel]

The day Wasps arrived on the scene the Trust should have openly condemned the idea of a franchise coming to our city and buying the Ricoh.

That single action would have galvanised support behind their movement and brought a lot of fans together.

It was a massive opportunity missed.

We are where we are now, the only way I can see it ever rebuilding it's credibility is to cease all communication and interaction with Wasps immediately.

This has to be the first action I agree as again Wasps will from their own perspective not want to antagonise the local community. The sad truth is very few other clubs supporters would have appeased in the style ours have - they could have easily been strangled at birth.

We are where we are but the Trust has to now block all communication with Wasps, be anti Wasps and promote the Butts and the Local Rugby Club

 

[Ian1779]

Ian
Sorry do not agree, although most who come on here are anti Wasps have we any idea how many supporters follow both the Franchise Rugby team and the City?
Also, we are no longer in any form of communication with the Wasps, all we did was break the ice for the club to open up a dialogue with them then left them to it.

I'm not asking you to vet your membership to check who supports who, but as an organisation that represents the fans surely you are against the notion of franchise sport, especially when you rightly condemned the move to Sixfields. Did the Trust release a statement to condemn the arrival of Wasps??

I asked this of whoever runs the SBT twitter account last week - but got no response.

The clue is in the name - Sky Blue Trust.

 

[Steve.B50]

I'm not asking you to vet your membership to check who supports who, but as an organisation that represents the fans surely you are against the notion of franchise sport, especially when you rightly condemned the move to Sixfields. Did the Trust release a statement to condemn the arrival of Wasps??

I asked this of whoever runs the SBT twitter account last week - but got no response.

The clue is in the name - Sky Blue Trust.

I can agree, I am trying to point out that a lot of City fans do go to Wasps games.
No we did not condemn the arrival although we did have grave concerns but at the time we wanted a deal to be discussed regarding a long term agreement and by knocking our landlords we felt we would do more harm than good.

 

[Brylowes]

I'm not anonymous. You've got my surname, my year of birth and my mug on my avatar.

Dead ringer for Liam Gallagher, thought it was him.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I can agree, I am trying to point out that a lot of City fans do go to Wasps games.
No we did not condemn the arrival although we did have grave concerns but at the time we wanted a deal to be discussed regarding a long term agreement and by knocking our landlords we felt we would do more harm than good.

I think both Wasps and SISU have shown they'll do what they feel like, regardless of fans' statements.

In this case, I don't think condemning them would have affected in the slightest those two entities relationship with one another... but could potentially have put CCFC on a stronger footing, relative to their landlords. The ease with which Wasps have been accepted has allowed them to become more embedded than they should be... although they're by no means remotely close to being embedded fully yet.

That said, what's done is done.

 

[Ian1779]

I can agree, I am trying to point out that a lot of City fans do go to Wasps games.
No we did not condemn the arrival although we did have grave concerns but at the time we wanted a deal to be discussed regarding a long term agreement and by knocking our landlords we felt we would do more harm than good.

That's disappointing. Given your stance on Sixfields which was totally justified, the way it appears we have rolled over and taken it is a sad indictment of us as a fanbase.

 

[skybluetony176]

Dead ringer for Liam Gallagher, thought it was him.

I was thinking Ian Brown.

 

[Steve.B50]

That's disappointing. Given your stance on Sixfields which was totally justified, the way it appears we have rolled over and taken it is a sad indictment of us as a fanbase.

Ian
In a lot of situations I have done what I believed was best for the club and supporters and put my personal views to one side.
Am far from perfect but stand by my actions, rightly or wrongly.

 

[Ian1779]

Ian
In a lot of situations I have done what I believed was best for the club and supporters and put my personal views to one side.
Am far from perfect but stand by my actions, rightly or wrongly.

I applaud you for coming on here on talking about it. I understand you are not the only person making decisions at the Trust.

I also think as fans we are entitled to give our opinions on the Trust, as long as we are not personal individually.

 

[Steve.B50]

I applaud you for coming on here on talking about it. I understand you are not the only person making decisions at the Trust.

I also think as fans we are entitled to give our opinions on the Trust, as long as we are not personal individually.

Agree, anyone, member or not has the right to voice an opinion and criticism is vital, especially when constrictive.
I am not the only person no, but I am the Chair (for my sins) and have to put my head on the block.
We will never all agree but when you have a genuine debate and discuss things genuinely it all makes a little more sense and you understand other peoples views.
None of us know how this will all end and all I know is that regardless of the outcome I will still follow the City home and away as long as I am able to do so.

 

[Brylowes]

I was thinking Ian Brown.

Yeah can see that to, either way I think we can agree Hills got a look goin on

 

[ccfcway]

the club said they were leaving ricoh and left
the club then came back
the club said they were building a new stadium and showed plans
Ricoh moved on and got a new landlord
the club said they would leave academy centre
centre moved on and are getting a new landlord
the city of coventry had their opportunity to vote out the council, and didn't

the club are now looking at the butts

Lets all support the club moving on and looking at the butts as a viable home to ccfc with 100% of the revenues.

Your move SISU, built it and I will go. Finally we may get HR2

 

[hill83]

Yeah can see that to, either way I think we can agree Hills got a look goin on

Definitely not got the barnet!

 

[Grendel]

You almost lost me with your opening but you have my vote. You actually made some good points to be fair. Now are you standing? If for no other reason than so the current hierarchy will actually know who you are.

I can post the Linkedin reques

the club said they were leaving ricoh and left
the club then came back
the club said they were building a new stadium and showed plans
Ricoh moved on and got a new landlord
the club said they would leave academy centre
centre moved on and are getting a new landlord

the club are looking at the butts

Lets all support the club moving on and looking at the butts as a viable home to ccfc with 100% of the revenues.

Your move SISU, built it and I will go !

So given all that and your mission statement is to ensure continuance of the football club what would you do? How do you think the trust should position itself? Or is rather pointless and tedious soundbites the limit of your contribution?

 

[chiefdave]

The day Wasps arrived on the scene the Trust should have openly condemned the idea of a franchise coming to our city and buying the Ricoh.

This has to be the first action I agree as again Wasps will from their own perspective not want to antagonise the local community. The sad truth is very few other clubs supporters would have appeased in the style ours have - they could have easily been strangled at birth.

I found the reaction all round, (trust, local media, supporters etc) infuriating. I can't imagine any other fanbase doing so little. If you look at the views of supporters of other football and rugby clubs they expect our fans to be up in arms and the local population to boycott Wasps.

The fact that neither happened reflects badly on us as a fanbase and as a city IMO.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

I have been asked by numerous people on here what would I do in the position. Well here is a few thought;

Wasps - what has really alienated me from the trust is their stance on wasps. Wasps are a franchise coming into the City. Given the utter nonsense around Sixfields the trust by not actively alienating themselves from the whole circus has made themselves look ridiculous. They should have urged an immediate boycott of wasps and definitely should have shown to the public how this is morally wrong and detrimental to sport in the city.

All members should have been urged not to attend as a minimum.

The council - the council have been major instigators in the clubs downfall. They could and should have been bought to account far more than they have. Inflated rent deals should have been criticised. Any opposition to them politically should have been supported. The sell out should have been objected to and a demand to see the details of the sale should definitely have been at the forefront of any strategy. There should have from the start been an anti council stance and an urgency to galvanise the public against them as ultimately the public opinion is all they value and that is it. Any attempt to stop any moves to a ground in the city has to be openly challenged and become the main focus for the trust. The apparent decision to build a swimming pool which elite athletes will benefit from and will result in the desolation of the Acadamy needs ruthless expose to the public.

Sisu - well here we go. There is no doubt that dealing with owners like sisu is a challenge. However, what a lot of posters on here fail to comprehend is they are the king makers. Demanding they go and hand the club to someone else, shake a fist to Tim Fisher, pour scorn on every dealing that do, siding with people who were never buying the club ever are serious strategic errors. Challenging is essential but blatant disregard and disdain is fatal. In the end you have to establish relationships and work with them.

These are clearly troubled times for CCFC. The trust needs to decide what is the best course of action to take. It has to have one objective - what is best for CCFC.

It's courting of unsuitable suitors, holding less than charitable charity heads in high regard, attendance at wasps games and it's total inability to make the council accountable for anything makes it rather unfit for purpose.

In my opinion.

Here are a few of my thoughts Grendel

Wasps - I don't go and some of the board have been to one or two games as is well documented however none in the last season,but have attended CRFC games. The anti Wasps stance was offered however was deemed counter productive and not by the Trust members who were there!!!!!

The Council - My stance on this at the time was very anti the sale (still is)and all the reasons people didn't turn up on the day of the vote I'll leave to them. The rest of your comments re the Council I agree with believe it or not.

Sisu - Relationships have been established with all the major players at Sisu i.e. Ms Seppala,Mr Fisher and Mr Anderson who you may argue is CCFC not Sisu but that's semantics. All very friendly and cordial for all the good it's done us but maybe things will improve. as for siding with people who were never going to buy the club,if a multi millionaire asks to talk to the Trust in your capacity as Head what would your stance be? They talked to him two or three times I believe,they didn't court anyone he courted them!

Now The Trust - The trust is a collection of supporters brought together by their love of the club,just like other supporters who are not members of The Trust may ai add. The Trust Board was elected by voting at the first Trust meeting,for the only people who put themselves forward. Even when they want to stand down nobody wants to take their place. Where the Trust has been week is in the area of PR and Marketing there are no experts like yourself Grendel. What it needs is help however the people who could help are not interested,also when certain people have offered to help they have been ignored or dismissed.

 

[ccfcway]

I can post the Linkedin reques


So given all that and your mission statement is to ensure continuance of the football club what would you do? How do you think the trust should position itself? Or is rather pointless and tedious soundbites the limit of your contribution?

yet again a question followed by an insult and you wonder why people don't like you !

read the post...

How do you think the trust should position itself...
"Lets all support the club moving on and looking at the butts as a viable home to ccfc with 100% of the revenues."

was that not clear enough ?

 

[Grendel]

Here are a few of my thoughts Grendel

Wasps - I don't go and some of the board have been to one or two games as is well documented however none in the last season,but have attended CRFC games. The anti Wasps stance was offered however was deemed counter productive and not by the Trust members who were there!!!!!

The Council - My stance on this at the time was very anti the sale (still is)and all the reasons people didn't turn up on the day of the vote I'll leave to them. The rest of your comments re the Council I agree with believe it or not.

Sisu - Relationships have been established with all the major players at Sisu i.e. Ms Seppala,Mr Fisher and Mr Anderson who you may argue is CCFC not Sisu but that's semantics. All very friendly and cordial for all the good it's done us but maybe things will improve. as for siding with people who were never going to buy the club,if a multi millionaire asks to talk to the Trust in your capacity as Head what would your stance be? They talked to him two or three times I believe,they didn't court anyone he courted them!

Now The Trust - The trust is a collection of supporters brought together by their love of the club,just like other supporters who are not members of The Trust may ai add. The Trust Board was elected by voting at the first Trust meeting,for the only people who put themselves forward. Even when they want to stand down nobody wants to take their place. Where the Trust has been week is in the area of PR and Marketing there are no experts like yourself Grendel. What it needs is help however the people who could help are not interested,also when certain people have offered to help they have been ignored or dismissed.

A very good response so thanks for taking it seriously - I am good at Marketing and for sure would be dismissed - literally!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

also when certain people have offered to help they have been ignored or dismissed.

Out of interest, what do you mean by this?

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

A very good response so thanks for taking it seriously - I am good at Marketing and for sure would be dismissed - literally!

Give them some help then at least offer them some. By the way it was not anybody in the Trust who thought it was counter productive !

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Out of interest, what do you mean by this?

Nick offered his help website wise didn't he?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Nick offered his help website wise didn't he?

Fair enough!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Give them some help then at least offer them some. By the way it was not anybody in the Trust who thought it was counter productive !

Then out of interest... was it someone at the football club who thought it was?!?

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Then out of interest... was it someone at the football club who thought it was?!?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

C'mon, you've got to name names now!

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

C'mon, you've got to name names now!

Commercial confidentiality

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Commercial confidentiality

Yes I remember that meeting.
Was that the same one we were threatened at?

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Yes I remember that meeting.
Was that the same one we were threatened at?

You mean warned surely?