SCG meeting questions (3 Viewers)

[dongonzalos]

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So what I get from that is if you are in the premiership
You pretty much fill your stadium bar the area you have to leave as a divide between fans.
Ours is 15k and 25k if we can get the planning permission and if we decide to spend the money expanding it?
Why have Swansea stuck with 20k leaving 8000 fans locked out?

 

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[martcov]

So what I get from that is if you are in the premiership
You pretty much fill your stadium bar the area you have to leave as a divide between fans.
Ours is 15k and 25k if we can get the planning permission and if we decide to spend the money expanding it?
Why have Swansea stuck with 20k leaving 8000 fans locked out?

The IF being the problem.

 

[martcov]

Unless you think we're suddenly going to double season ticket sales that won't be a problem. If and when we move to a new ground existing season ticket holders will no doubt get first option on renewals. If we then reach a point that we are doing so well it is sold out every week isn't that a good thing?

Not for me who only gets to Cov now and again - 1300 KM from here to Cov ( Northampton was nearer ;-) ).

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

genuine question, what seaosns have we averages over 20k ?

During my time of watching : Every year from 1964 to 1974 ( three of those years we averaged over 30k), 1977 to1980, 1998 to 2001 and 2006 to 2008. Notice that these times come in clusters on the odd occasion we have had success. If we are half decent, Coventry and Warwickshire people will come and support.if any club is due a prolonged period of success it is this one.

 

[rupert_bear]

We were told at the beginning of the season we needed 11000 minimum gates , we regularly achieved over that, Mr Anderson late in the season said we really needed 14500. Can I ask with a potential multi million pound bill for a new 15000 seater stadium how would we thrive with a capacity just 500 over our break even figure ?

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

It's also worth remembering that City are not alone when their gates have dipped. In the 80s Arsenal had regular gates below 20k (average now 50-60k), Man Utd had gates below 30k. Chelsea just before their first Cup final in years had a gate of 8k ( average now 45k). How annoying would it be to have people wanting to get into our games who couldn't because the ground is too small. A bit of success is all we need.

 

[Nick]

We were told at the beginning of the season we needed 11000 minimum gates , we regularly achieved over that, Mr Anderson late in the season said we really needed 14500. Can I ask with a potential multi million pound bill for a new 15000 seater stadium how would we thrive with a capacity just 500 over our break even figure ?

Wouldn't the break even change? Could go up or down if we moved

 

[Grendel]

So what I get from that is if you are in the premiership
You pretty much fill your stadium bar the area you have to leave as a divide between fans.
Ours is 15k and 25k if we can get the planning permission and if we decide to spend the money expanding it?
Why have Swansea stuck with 20k leaving 8000 fans locked out?

Depends how big the stadium is.

No way would we attract 30,000 to games against Bournmouth, Watford, Burnley, Middlesborough, C palace, Sunderland etc. imagine if these games were live on Sky what the crowds would be then.

Also it bonkers to plan a stadium for the premier league when you are not anywhere near it anyway

Most importantly though how has a 20,000 stadium prevented Swansea from remaining as a premier league club - or Watford or Bournemouth for that matter? In your view do these clubs all lack ambition more than us?

 

[torchomatic]

We were told at the beginning of the season we needed 11000 minimum gates , we regularly achieved over that, Mr Anderson late in the season said we really needed 14500. Can I ask with a potential multi million pound bill for a new 15000 seater stadium how would we thrive with a capacity just 500 over our break even figure ?

At the Ricoh, yes.

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[skybluetony176]

Most importantly though how has a 20,000 stadium prevented Swansea from remaining as a premier league club - or Watford or Bournemouth for that matter? In your view do these clubs all lack ambition more than us?

These are clubs who's owners have ambition and are willing to back that financially.

 

[dongonzalos]

Depends how big the stadium is.

No way would we attract 30,000 to games against Bournmouth, Watford, Burnley, Middlesborough, C palace, Sunderland etc. imagine if these games were live on Sky what the crowds would be then.

Also it bonkers to plan a stadium for the premier league when you are not anywhere near it anyway

Most importantly though how has a 20,000 stadium prevented Swansea from remaining as a premier league club - or Watford or Bournemouth for that matter? In your view do these clubs all lack ambition more than us?

No it's hasn't prevented Swansea from staying in the premier league.
It's prevented 8000 people from getting season tickets. Never mind those who can't afford a season ticket but still want to go.
It's bonkers to move to a stadium with only 15k.
That can never be increased to the size we would need in the Premier League.
You need to start with 18-23k.
We know that as when we were talking to Rugby council 18k was our starting point.
If we are going modular in needs to be in a location that can go to 30k
Incase we get owners who can afford to get us to the premier league

 

[Grendel]

No it's hasn't prevented Swansea from staying in the premier league.
It's prevented 8000 people from getting season tickets. Never mind those who can't afford a season ticket but still want to go.
It's bonkers to move to a stadium with only 15k.
That can never be increased to the size we would need in the Premier League.
You need to start with 18-23k.
We know that as when we were talking to Rugby council 18k was our starting point.
If we are going modular in needs to be in a location that can go to 30k
Incase we get owners who can afford to get us to the premier league

So you do agree that size of ground will have no impact on the club getting to, or remaining in, the premier league?

 

[Johnnythespider]

Don't know if anyone has asked the council from CCFC but I do know the flags were arranges by ACL not Wasps and they are allowed to use them for any Ricoh event. Unfortunately they decided to only promote one of the teams that play there.

Flags today for MTV crashes event this weekend

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Could it be that those holding the event pay to put the flags there and ccfc choose not to do so

 

[dongonzalos]

So C.Palace are going for a 35-40k stadium

Swansea have permission for 34k

Plymouth are increasing theirs to nearly 18k

Fulham going up to 30k

Bristol Rovers 22k that can rise to 35k

Brentford 20k

Stoke going up to 30k

Bristol City going up to 27k

Colchester going up to 18k

Rotherham going up to 20k

Charlton going up to 31k (eventually 40k)

Derby 44k if they get to the Premier League

Leicester 42k

Ipswich going up to 40k if they reach the premier league

Hull going up to 34k

Norwich going up to 35k

Reading going up to 38k

Hills borough going up to 45k

Wolves going up to 38k

(A lot of these have the plans in place in case they reach the premier league )

However don't worry we are in good company.....
Southend will build a 14k one that can rise to 20k plus
Cambridge 11k
AFC Wimbledon 11k
Scunthorpe 12k
Carlisle 12k
Walsall to go up to 13.5k
Shrewsbury 12.5 k

Cov 15k raising to 25k if we are lucky

 

[dongonzalos]

So you do agree that size of ground will have no impact on the club getting to, or remaining in, the premier league?

Yes I think it will have a massive impact on the fans if we ever get there.
Owners is the most important thing these days that gets you to the premier league.
Bigger capacities just make sense if that where you are planning to go.
To maximise your profit once you are there.
Although tv rights and sponsorship is the biggest earner

 

[oldskyblue58]

seriously with all that is going on flags are big issue????

ACL may well decide but they are owned by? Have the club actually enquired as to putting their own flags up and prepared to pay the fee?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Clearly, as many hold Swansea up as the model we should follow, we're doing that with our ground too...

 

[martcov]

So C.Palace are going for a 35-40k stadium

Swansea have permission for 34k

Plymouth are increasing theirs to nearly 18k

Fulham going up to 30k

Bristol Rovers 22k that can rise to 35k

Brentford 20k

Stoke going up to 30k

Bristol City going up to 27k

Colchester going up to 18k

Rotherham going up to 20k

Charlton going up to 31k (eventually 40k)

Derby 44k if they get to the Premier League

Leicester 42k

Ipswich going up to 40k if they reach the premier league

Hull going up to 34k

Norwich going up to 35k

Reading going up to 38k

Hills borough going up to 45k

Wolves going up to 38k

(A lot of these have the plans in place in case they reach the premier league )

However don't worry we are in good company.....
Southend will build a 14k one that can rise to 20k plus
Cambridge 11k
AFC Wimbledon 11k
Scunthorpe 12k
Carlisle 12k
Walsall to go up to 13.5k
Shrewsbury 12.5 k

Cov 15k raising to 25k if we are lucky

So that puts us somewhere between Carlisle and Colchester.........How often were they in the premier? People seem tothink small is the norm now...

 

[Grendel]

So that puts us somewhere between Carlisle and Colchester.........How often were they in the premier? People seem tothink small is the norm now...

Most of those examples are miles from happening - the Bristol one for example required a joint partnership with UWE which is nowhere near actual agreement.

It's classic spin. On the basis used we'd be at 25,000 on his sheet.

 

[rupert_bear]

Can't believe we have a number on here who think reducing ground size is a progressive way forward, it will push us ever nearer the conference. Renting off Wasps looks no difference to me than jumping aboard with Cov rugger.

 

[Otis]

We haven't had a 30k stadium for the last 20years.

how many times would we have "sold out" a 30k stadium in the last 20 years ?

We also haven't had any success either.

People continually point to our abject historic failure and don't look to the future.

Are we going to perpetually fail for the rest of our existence?

We may as well just fold now.

 

[chiefdave]

These are clubs who's owners have ambition and are willing to back that financially.

And that's the key. In terms of ambitions of getting to the PL a 15K, 25K or 30K stadium won't realistically make a huge difference at this point. It would need big changes to the way the game is run to prevent clubs losing millions chasing promotion.
Its not like we have lots of fantastic options. We're in a position where every option we have isn't ideal, its a matter of finding which is the best of those.

seriously with all that is going on flags are big issue????

For me its an indication of the attitude of ACL towards the club. There's a lot of dick waving from Wasps, suspect they are insecure and not as confident about their long term future as they make out.
All the plastering Wasps logos all over the place, flags etc is counter productive in some ways. For example if you're sending out your one pager to attract business to the Ricoh and it accompanied by pictures of the main entrance you'd see a massive Wasps logo and no sign of our existence. Most people don't associate Wasps with Coventry so won't properly register what they are looking at. Even more so if Ricoh don't renew the naming rights. How many people will see the something like the JLR Arena home of Wasps and immediately think Coventry?
Think of how long you spend looking at marketing info you're sent. It would be looked at for a few seconds, wouldn't register as Coventry and skipped over.

 

[chiefdave]

Can't believe we have a number on here who think reducing ground size is a progressive way forward,

Does anyone actively want a small stadium with no possibility of expansion? Don't think so.
More a case of being between a rock and a hard place.

 

[Otis]

So C.Palace are going for a 35-40k stadium

Swansea have permission for 34k

Plymouth are increasing theirs to nearly 18k

Fulham going up to 30k

Bristol Rovers 22k that can rise to 35k

Brentford 20k

Stoke going up to 30k

Bristol City going up to 27k

Colchester going up to 18k

Rotherham going up to 20k

Charlton going up to 31k (eventually 40k)

Derby 44k if they get to the Premier League

Leicester 42k

Ipswich going up to 40k if they reach the premier league

Hull going up to 34k

Norwich going up to 35k

Reading going up to 38k

Hills borough going up to 45k

Wolves going up to 38k

(A lot of these have the plans in place in case they reach the premier league )

However don't worry we are in good company.....
Southend will build a 14k one that can rise to 20k plus
Cambridge 11k
AFC Wimbledon 11k
Scunthorpe 12k
Carlisle 12k
Walsall to go up to 13.5k
Shrewsbury 12.5 k

Cov 15k raising to 25k if we are lucky

Well that's the crux of the matter. I can see no way that a 25,000 seater stadium will ever be allowed at the Butts. I reckon if we did move there we would be forever stuck with 15,000 with no prospect of ever increasing. Opposition would be too great and the road system wouldn't be able to cope.


That's not me being negative that's just reasoned and rational thinking.

If the 15,000 happens we will never, ever get in the Premier I don't think.

Be great if the Butts was a short term measure, but then of course you are talking about having to build two stadiums. Either that or somehow the Wasps folly fails and we get out hands back on the Ricoh.

As OSB has quite rightly said, it's damned if we do, damned if we don't and the only way our situation is going to ever improve is when Sisu depart and that is looking forever unlikely.

 

[mark82]

I wouldn't mind 15k at the Butts while we find a better site but that would be a waste money. I would prefer an 18k stadium expandable up to 32k, maybe more, should we ever make the promised land. There are some clever ways to build stadiums these days that mean tiers can be shut off without destroying the atmosphere. Something like that would be ideal.

In terms of the Butts site, the biggest negative is lack of surrounding land which limits the potential in terms of non football / non matchday revenues.

Got some examples of both the above, if I get time later I'll post some links. I personally think moving out the Ricoh is key but we need to make sure we get it right this time.

 

[Captain Dart]

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So that puts us somewhere between Carlisle and Colchester.........How often were they in the premier? People seem tothink small is the norm now...

Significantly inferior to MK, 30K capacity stadium they half fill.

 

[dongonzalos]

Clearly, as many hold Swansea up as the model we should follow, we're doing that with our ground too...

20k
Rising to 32k
That would be perfect
Except I would prefer to to see through the expansion but so loads of fans don't miss out.

 

[dongonzalos]

And that's the key. In terms of ambitions of getting to the PL a 15K, 25K or 30K stadium won't realistically make a huge difference at this point. It would need big changes to the way the game is run to prevent clubs losing millions chasing promotion.
Its not like we have lots of fantastic options. We're in a position where every option we have isn't ideal, its a matter of finding which is the best of those.


(agree but we are a club who should be starting with a 20k stadium no question
We were looking at 18k when we spoke to rugby council.
Now it is 15k with maybe 29k one day, why?
Our owners expect us to be in the championship after this season so why is our starting point not 20k)
)

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Our biggest attendances since being at the Ricoh

Coventry City 0–2 Chelsea FA Cup quarter-final 7 March 2009 31,407
Coventry City 0–3 Crewe Alexandra Football League Trophy area-final 5 February 2013 31,054
Coventry City 2–3 Leeds United Football League Championship 6 November 2010 28,184
Coventry City 0–5 West Bromwich Albion FA Cup Fifth Round 16 February 2008 28,163
Coventry City 1–1 Middlesbrough FA Cup Fourth Round 28 January 2006 28,120
Coventry City 1–1 Wolverhampton Wanderers Football League Championship 26 April 2008 27,992
Coventry City 1–0 Gillingham Football League One 5 September 2014 27,306
Coventry City 0–1 Birmingham City Football League Championship 31 October 2006 27,212
Coventry City 2–0 Wolverhampton Wanderers Football League Championship 2 January 2006 26,851
Coventry City 1–1 Leicester City Football League Championship 17 April 2006 26,672
Coventry City 1–1 Leeds United Football League Championship 18 March 2006 26,643
Coventry City 0–1 West Bromwich Albion Football League Championship 28 April 2007 26,343

A stadium that holds 25K would be fine. We would just need it planned so that if we need more tickets we reduce the size of the away end to the minimum allocation allowed which is 10%

I can't believe that no one has picked up on the amazing stat shown up by the above, which proves a smaller stadium is ideal for us.

Out of the 12 games above, we won just TWO!!! TWO!!!

Christ, build a little 15k-er and watch us smash the league....

 

[skybluetony176]

Clearly, as many hold Swansea up as the model we should follow, we're doing that with our ground too...

You mean kick out bad owners and largely fan ownership

 

[chiefdave]

Out of the 12 games above, we won just TWO!!! TWO!!!

And one of those two is a bit of an anomaly. It was only a big crowd as it was the first game back. Get a 10K stadium and we'll be storming up the leagues.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You mean kick out bad owners and largely fan ownership

More a small stadium, and fan ownership is most definitely not the majority at Swansea... apart from the fact the current owners are fans.

Although they're looking to sell up, of course, as the model can't take them any further in the system of football governance practiced in the UK...

 

[skybluegod]

During my time of watching : Every year from 1964 to 1974 ( three of those years we averaged over 30k), 1977 to1980, 1998 to 2001 and 2006 to 2008. Notice that these times come in clusters on the odd occasion we have had success. If we are half decent, Coventry and Warwickshire people will come and support.if any club is due a prolonged period of success it is this one.

2016- 12.570
2015- 9.332
2014- 2.348
2013- 10.997
2012- 15.119
2011- 16.310
2010- 17.308
2009- 17.408
2008-19.123
2007 - 20.342
2006- 21.180
2005- 16.048
2004- 14.816
2003- 14.813
2002- 16.150
2001 20.582
2000 - 20.809
1999- 20.773
1998 19.718
1997- 19.625
1996 - 18.507
1995- 15.980
1994- 13.352
1993- 14.951
1992- 13.876
1991- 13.794
1990- 14.312
1989-16.040
1988- 17.509
1987-16.120
1986 -11.590
1985 -12.848
1984- 12.572
1983- 10.552
1982- 13.100
1981-16.904
1980- 19.315

So in in 5 out of 36 years we have averaged above 20,000? So we are basing our attendances on being above 25,000 on what facts exactly?
People are taking the 15,000 as maximum, it can increase to over 20k with promotions?

 

[oldskyblue58]

And that's the key. In terms of ambitions of getting to the PL a 15K, 25K or 30K stadium won't realistically make a huge difference at this point. It would need big changes to the way the game is run to prevent clubs losing millions chasing promotion.
Its not like we have lots of fantastic options. We're in a position where every option we have isn't ideal, its a matter of finding which is the best of those.


For me its an indication of the attitude of ACL towards the club. There's a lot of dick waving from Wasps, suspect they are insecure and not as confident about their long term future as they make out.
All the plastering Wasps logos all over the place, flags etc is counter productive in some ways. For example if you're sending out your one pager to attract business to the Ricoh and it accompanied by pictures of the main entrance you'd see a massive Wasps logo and no sign of our existence. Most people don't associate Wasps with Coventry so won't properly register what they are looking at. Even more so if Ricoh don't renew the naming rights. How many people will see the something like the JLR Arena home of Wasps and immediately think Coventry?
Think of how long you spend looking at marketing info you're sent. It would be looked at for a few seconds, wouldn't register as Coventry and skipped over.

Seems to be a lot of dick waving on both sides ...... doesn't solve anything for anyone but hey situation normal

Equally I would like to see our club stop being a victim in everything

Flags are not a major issue...... Compete with on such minor things it isn't difficult takes little time or money........ Far more important things for fans to get their head round

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Oh, can we ask a question as to what prompted the release of their latest statement, and how they hope that'll move the process forward towards us actually getting what we claim to want...