Is the Butts deal imminent? (20 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

Bradford PA old pitch I think is now half a cricket pitch and a half keep fit place/gym , someone told me that the old turnstiles and some terracing are still there ,like you id love to visit the old grounds.

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It is. You might be interested in this project, then!

http://www.bpadmc.co.uk/blog/breaking-ground-bpa-blog-day-7-the-final-day/

 

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[Astute]

Maybe we can build an underpass.

Would be cheaper to pay for some land instead of building on somebody else's land and having to build things underground.

 

[martcov]

That will please Earlsdon.

And Chapelfields..... And Allesley.....

 

[martcov]

Just thought I'd have a look at what Earlsdon residents are saying on FB.

Not overly chuffed at the thought of the City moving in at all seemingly.

There's only half a dozen comments mind. They will now be known as the Earlsdon Six.

As a side note, just in general, the hot topic in Earlsdon is parking (nowt to do with the City or Butts), just in general.

Maybe we can build an underpass.

Many problems could be overcome with lots of financial backing and the will of CCC. You could build a car park over the road to where the Butts Retreat is and/ or have buses bringing people back and forth from carparks elsewhere. They do the bus system at Bayer Leverkusen. You come out of the ground to a row of buses on match days. But Lev has a park behind the stadium so there is a lot of alternative access for pedestrians. The Butts road is a main road into town so would have to be widened to allow for the buses. It seems all very expensive and complicated. We are looking at a site because we haven't found anything else and will have a lot to do to bend it into what we really need. I cannot see this working long term. The project is happening for the wrong reasons - the result of an endless dispute and being under time pressure because the extension is running out. This is not a move - if it ever happens - based on common sense and forward thinking.

 

[Otis]

Many problems could be overcome with lots of financial backing and the will of CCC. You could build a car park over the road to where the Butts Retreat is and/ or have buses bringing people back and forth from carparks elsewhere. They do the bus system at Bayer Leverkusen. You come out of the ground to a row of buses on match days. But Lev has a park behind the stadium so there is a lot of alternative access for pedestrians. The Butts road is a main road into town so would have to be widened to allow for the buses. It seems all very expensive and complicated. We are looking at a site because we haven't found anything else and will have a lot to do to bend it into what we really need. I cannot see this working long term. The project is happening for the wrong reasons - the result of an endless dispute and being under time pressure because the extension is running out. This is not a move - if it ever happens - based on common sense and forward thinking.

Was thinking Queen's Road is incredibly quiet (used to be the main thoroughfare into the city). If they could somehow build a road through there that would pretty much by-pass Butts Road. Where Feast Junction/Carey's Club is. Knock through there.

 

[clint van damme]

Was thinking Queen's Road is incredibly quiet (used to be the main thoroughfare into the city). If they could somehow build a road through there that would pretty much by-pass Butts Road. Where Feast Junction/Carey's Club is. Knock through there.

do you think that SISU are going to invest that heavily in this project? Do you think SISU and CCC are going to be able to achieve the levels of co-operation required to pull this off?

Do you think CRFC are going to invest heavily in surrounding infrastructure when even if they doubled their crowds their the existing infrastructure would suffice?

 

[torchomatic]

It's difficult to know what people actually want. If we were talking about another random location say, just outside the city, then I could guarantee that the same people would be still be complaining, but this time: "not being in coventry", "too rural", "no transport", etc.

I know there will be difficulties with the Butts site but I have everything crossed and hopes this works out.

 

[clint van damme]

It's difficult to know what people actually want. If we were talking about another random location say, just outside the city, then I could guarantee that the same people would be still be complaining, but this time: "not being in coventry", "too rural", "no transport", etc.

I know there will be difficulties with the Butts site but I have everything crossed and hopes this works out.

it's pie in the sky mate, I'd love it to happen but I think people are that desperate to get away from the ricoh and wasps that they're clutching at straws.

Maybe I'm wrong an sisu will throw a load of cash at it and try and form fruitful partnerships with CRFC and CCC but I'm not holding out much hope.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Who'd have thought it, when back in the 70's I was doing part of my aeronautical apprenticeship in the little building next to The Butts with Norman Rickets and Ray hall and now we are talking about the mighty Sky Blues playing in the stadium that was built on that very sight.

Now that is fcuking depressing!

 

[torchomatic]

it's pie in the sky mate, I'd love it to happen but I think people are that desperate to get away from the ricoh and wasps that they're clutching at straws.

Maybe I'm wrong an sisu will throw a load of cash at it and try and form fruitful partnerships with CRFC and CCC but I'm not holding out much hope.

I don't think it is. It might not work out, but doesn't mean to say there isn't a desire to make it happen.

 

[clint van damme]

I don't think it is. It might not work out, but doesn't mean to say there isn't a desire to make it happen.

The trouble is, is the desire with the right people?
The supporters wanting it to happen doesn't mean shit unfortunately. What me and you want is of no consequence to sisu or CCC,

 

[Otis]

I don't think it is. It might not work out, but doesn't mean to say there isn't a desire to make it happen.

There's a desire for me to win the lottery too. Think the odds on both probabilities are closer than you think.

 

[torchomatic]

The trouble is, is the desire with the right people?
The supporters wanting it to happen doesn't mean shit unfortunately. What me and you want is of no consequence to sisu or CCC,

CRFC seem up for it. I should imagine there is desire from SISU to move from the Ricoh, so who knows? Here's hoping.

 

[Otis]

CRFC seem up for it. I should imagine there is desire from SISU to move from the Ricoh, so who knows? Here's hoping.

It was fine there, Torch until you said the word Sisu. From that point on the believability factor went pretty much straight out the window.

 

[torchomatic]

There's a desire for me to win the lottery too. Think the odds on both probabilities are closer than you think.

Well obviously, both scenarios are closely linked. I think I would rather listen to those involved than those like you, who are not.

As I said, might not happen. I for one, hope it does. I think the Club needs it to progress and to get its identity back.

 

[torchomatic]

It was fine there, Torch until you said the word Sisu. From that point on the believability factor went pretty much straight out the window.

Well...let's see.

 

[Otis]

Well obviously, both scenarios are closely linked. I think I would rather listen to those involved than those like you, who are not.

As I said, might not happen. I for one, hope it does. I think the Club needs it to progress and to get its identity back.

Not sure we will ever get our identity back until the day Sisu leave the building.

 

[torchomatic]

Not sure we will ever get our identity back until the day Sisu leave the building.

It'll be a hell of a long time then, because I don't think they'll be going anywhere whilst we're stuck at the Ricoh. We lost identity when Wasps marched in for 250 years.

 

[Senior Vick from Alicante]

Well...let's see.

Do you really think that Sisu or CRFC have the financial backing to be able to pull this off. If sisu had the will to do this then you would think they would drop the JR and crack on, or is it that as most people think that their hopes of extricating them selves from the club is to win a financial settlement through litigation to enable them to move on? I cant see any one wanting to fund a Sisu led infrastructure project with their track record, its all probably tactics to drive a better deal at the Ricoh. This would be a 2 to 3 year project with massive implications on the surrounding area right in the middle of a major city with one access road. Having the will to do it and being able to is two different things Torch.

 

[torchomatic]

Do you really think that Sisu or CRFC have the financial backing to be able to pull this off. If sisu had the will to do this then you would think they would drop the JR and crack on, or is it that as most people think that their hopes of extricating them selves from the club is to win a financial settlement through litigation to enable them to move on? I cant see any one wanting to fund a Sisu led infrastructure project with their track record, its all probably tactics to drive a better deal at the Ricoh. This would be a 2 to 3 year project with massive implications on the surrounding area right in the middle of a major city with one access road. Having the will to do it and being able to is two different things Torch.

Well, we shall see shan't we? I think it if was a total non-starter then we would never have even heard about it in the first place. It's encouraging that it was CRFC who let the cat out of the bag. Also encouraging that they were meeting architects. Of course, there is a long way to go and a lot of stuff that would need to be done to make it happen, but who says for sure that it won't. Or can't?

And, CCC should dip their hands into their pockets and help out too. After all, we are in a situation not just of SISUs making. I think what has happened just up the road in Leicester has opened the eyes of a lot of towns and cities across the land. Hopefully CCC will realise that there is great merit to a community in having a successful football team.

Will it happen? Who knows. I don't. You don't either. Let's not dismiss something before it has even got off the ground. What does that achieve?

 

[skybluetony176]

I don't think it is. It might not work out, but doesn't mean to say there isn't a desire to make it happen.

Come on Torch, are you not even at least a little bit sceptical about SISU's "desire" on this? Especially when you consider their history of (how shall I put this?) misinformation towards us fans. Especially on a new stadium.

 

[stupot07]

Do you really think that Sisu or CRFC have the financial backing to be able to pull this off. If sisu had the will to do this then you would think they would drop the JR and crack on, or is it that as most people think that their hopes of extricating them selves from the club is to win a financial settlement through litigation to enable them to move on? I cant see any one wanting to fund a Sisu led infrastructure project with their track record, its all probably tactics to drive a better deal at the Ricoh. This would be a 2 to 3 year project with massive implications on the surrounding area right in the middle of a major city with one access road. Having the will to do it and being able to is two different things Torch.

Its a piece of piss, borrow some money, build the ground, then raise a load of bonds and bobs you're uncle job done.

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[Otis]

Its a piece of piss, borrow some money, build the ground, then raise a load of bonds and bobs you're uncle job done.

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But if its Sisu's uncle, Bob will be in prison.

 

[torchomatic]

Come on Torch, are you not even at least a little bit sceptical about SISU's "desire" on this? Especially when you consider their history of (how shall I put this?) misinformation towards us fans. Especially on a new stadium.

Yes, of course. However, there is also "desire" from CRFC. Even parts of the Council have stated it would be good for everyone involved.

 

[torchomatic]

Its a piece of piss, borrow some money, build the ground, then raise a load of bonds and bobs you're uncle job done.

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You missed out "get congratulated for being brilliant business men" and "I wish they would take over the local football team".

 

[clint van damme]

Yes, of course. However, there is also "desire" from CRFC. Even parts of the Council have stated it would be good for everyone involved.

but why would CRFC want to fork out to expand the ground to 18-20,000 when they don't need anywhere near that capacity.

Unless they're looking to stick the football club in as a tenant.

 

[torchomatic]

but why would CRFC want to fork out to expand the ground to 18-20,000 when they don't need anywhere near that capacity.

Unless they're looking to stick the football club in as a tenant.

Write to them and ask.

 

[skybluetony176]

Yes, of course. However, there is also "desire" from CRFC. Even parts of the Council have stated it would be good for everyone involved.

I think the desire from CRFC is that they cant do it alone, that doesn't mean SISU have any real desire to do it with them. Reading what JS has put out there I also didn't see a desire from him to ever build more than 15K and why would there be?

Said it a few times but I love the location, dont buy the parking issues with all the empty spaces in town, close location of train station and endless possibilities for park and ride solutions.

15K is too small, I dont care what anyone says the simple fact is even last season with away allocation and segregation we would have been locking people out and missed out on ticket revenue, it's not fit for purpose now let alone if we have some sustained success unless your purpose is to exclude your paying customers. If it gets built at 15K it will always be 15K IMO unless someone buys CRFC out as CRFC don't really need a 15K stadium thats a compromise for them to get CCFC on board as I see it so why are they going to pay for further expansion that they need even less? That's all major issues before you even start talking about finacing, planning issue's etc.

At the moment I struggle to see how anyone can take this more seriously than previous false dawns.

 

[torchomatic]

I think the desire from CRFC is that they cant do it alone, that doesn't mean SISU have any real desire to do it with them. Reading what JS has put out there I also didn't see a desire from him to ever build more than 15K and why would there be?

Said it a few times but I love the location, dont buy the parking issues with all the empty spaces in town, close location of train station and endless possibilities for park and ride solutions.

15K is too small, I dont care what anyone says the simple fact is even last season with away allocation and segregation we would have been locking people out and missed out on ticket revenue, it's not fit for purpose now let alone if we have some sustained success unless your purpose is to exclude your paying customers. If it gets built at 15K it will always be 15K IMO unless someone buys CRFC out as CRFC don't really need a 15K stadium thats a compromise for them to get CCFC on board as I see it so why are they going to pay for further expansion that they need even less? That's all major issues before you even start talking about finacing, planning issue's etc.

At the moment I struggle to see how anyone can take this more seriously than previous false dawns.

That's fair enough, Tony. Not going to argue with you.

 

[clint van damme]

Write to them and ask.

I'm sure they'll reply with a full and detailed explanation of just what the fuck is going on!

 

[torchomatic]

I'm sure they'll reply with a full and detailed explanation of just what the fuck is going on!

Well, of course not. Neither would any other club in the country. Not sure why we think ours should act any differently.

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

I don't get all this "no parking" around the Butts.
Old Trafford is nearly 80000 and has plans to go to 90,000 ,Anfield is going to be 60000, new White Hart Lane will be 60000,, infact all the great grounds in England are surrounded by housing with absolutely no parking except in local car parks or the local streets , and in most cases poor public transport infrastructure, yet they manage perfectly.
Look at new Anfield it's totally surrounded as is Everton ,the list goes on and on, yet we have fans moaning about the chaos it will be with a 20000 stadium.
We will manage and so will the city centre.

 

[clint van damme]

Well, of course not. Neither would any other club in the country. Not sure why we think ours should act any differently.

which is why all we can do is go on our local knowledge of the site and the past history of the parties involved.

Which leads me to conclude it's a no go unfortunately.

 

[torchomatic]

which is why all we can do is go on our local knowledge of the site and the past history of the parties involved.

Which leads me to conclude it's a no go unfortunately.

That's fine. We'll agree to disagree. Life's too short.

 

[Otis]

I think the desire from CRFC is that they cant do it alone, that doesn't mean SISU have any real desire to do it with them. Reading what JS has put out there I also didn't see a desire from him to ever build more than 15K and why would there be?

Said it a few times but I love the location, dont buy the parking issues with all the empty spaces in town, close location of train station and endless possibilities for park and ride solutions.

15K is too small, I dont care what anyone says the simple fact is even last season with away allocation and segregation we would have been locking people out and missed out on ticket revenue, it's not fit for purpose now let alone if we have some sustained success unless your purpose is to exclude your paying customers. If it gets built at 15K it will always be 15K IMO unless someone buys CRFC out as CRFC don't really need a 15K stadium thats a compromise for them to get CCFC on board as I see it so why are they going to pay for further expansion that they need even less? That's all major issues before you even start talking about finacing, planning issue's etc.

At the moment I struggle to see how anyone can take this more seriously than previous false dawns.

Agree, Tony.

Even if there is a will within the club to have a 25,000 seater stadium, I think it just won't happen. There will be talk and maybe promises, but Cov rugby don't need more than 15,000 and the opposition to expand will be too great from the Earlsdonites and it will be dead in the water, leaving us stuck and probably forever stuck in League One and Two.