Mowbrey and Venus (24 Viewers)

[Skyblueweeman]

So we can't even fend off Rotherham if true. SISU will not get another penny from me.We have no chance of ever getting out of this league if TM does leaves season ticket sales will be very low.I've had one for year's but I am sick of the Sisu ownership blaming everyone else but themselves for us not owning the ground and other revenue streams they have had numerous chances and failed.

Rotherham are in the division above us, own their own ground and it's closer to TMs home. He also presided over an awful run of something like 3 wins in 23 games this season and kept his job when many others would've been sacked. Had we sacked him then, would you have been moaning. You know he's not the only manager in the world?

Not just aimed at you coop, but there's some right drama queens on this forum.

 

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[mark82]

Rotherham are in the division above us, own their own ground and it's closer to TMs home. He also presided over an awful run of something like 3 wins in 23 games this season and kept his job when many others would've been sacked. Had we sacked him then, would you have been moaning. You know he's not the only manager in the world?

Not just aimed at you coop, but there's some right drama queens on this forum.

I think the biggest problem for me is that we would benefit from some stability. Let's wait and see what happens. If he goes, we move on. Plenty of other managers out there.

 

[robbiekeane]

You know what's scary, I think the clowns who blame SISU for everything but the weather actually believe what they are saying....

Like, before I thought it was just a go-to move because it was easy and everyone hates them. But people actually believe the crap that comes out of their mouths....

 

[martcov]

Rotherham are in the division above us, own their own ground and it's closer to TMs home. He also presided over an awful run of something like 3 wins in 23 games this season and kept his job when many others would've been sacked. Had we sacked him then, would you have been moaning. You know he's not the only manager in the world?

Not just aimed at you coop, but there's some right drama queens on this forum.

I think it would be great to have some contuinity for once. On the one hand TM is following up on some players he thinks we need, and then, if he goes, whoever comes in has to be interviewed with others and come to an agreement. Then the New guy starts with getting a team from scratch. A lot of preparation time lost and we join the players market late and end up with left overs.

 

[coop]

So our complete lack of decent investment and moving us to another ground in Northampton is who else's fault. The fans or the people who actually make the decisions, not me, not you the actual people who decide what to do with your hard earned cash.Don't want to chew over old ground and start a tit for tat.It is my opinion only and my view calling people clowns and saying there view is crap is a little bit blinkered.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

There are thousands that actually believe everything that SISU say as well!

 

[Colin Steins Smile]

I think it would be great to have some contuinity for once. On the one hand TM is following up on some players he thinks we need, and then, if he goes, whoever comes in has to be interviewed with others and come to an agreement. Then the New guy starts with getting a team from scratch. A lot of preparation time lost and we join the players market late and end up with left overs.

I agree. We need continuity and we currently have a manager who has shown a clear strategy and vision on how to get out of this division. I appreciate some of the supporters will not share his vision, but at least he looks like he knows what he's doing. Here's hoping that our board are robust and eject an approach [if it comes] and provide him with the resources to improve the team from last season.

 

[mark82]

There are thousands that actually believe everything that SISU say as well!

I'm not sure there are. There a number who take a more pragmatic balanced view but not sure there is anyone who loves Sisu and takes every word of theirs as given.

 

[fernandopartridge]

So our complete lack of decent investment and moving us to another ground in Northampton is who else's fault. The fans or the people who actually make the decisions, not me, not you the actual people who decide what to do with your hard earned cash.Don't want to chew over old ground and start a tit for tat.It is my opinion only and my view calling people clowns and saying there view is crap is a little bit blinkered.

Mowbray wasn't here when we were at Northampton. As for investment, they spent money in the early days and continue to provide the club with a cash flow. Why don't you read some of the analysis of the club's accounts, it makes a loss every single year. Where do you think the difference comes from?

 

[mark82]

Mowbray wasn't here when we were at Northampton. As for investment, they spent money in the early days and continue to provide the club with a cash flow. Why don't you read some of the analysis of the club's accounts, it makes a loss every single year. Where do you think the difference comes from?

Some folks just think we are entitled to have someone else's money pissed away on our club. The one good thing they have done is bring the spending under control. They haven't had much choice but to do this with financial fair play rules.

At the end of the day, we have low crowds and virtually no additional revenue streams. Not sure exactly what people expect.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

I'm not sure there are. There a number who take a more pragmatic balanced view but not sure there is anyone who loves Sisu and takes every word of theirs as given.

My post was a pragmatic balanced view in response to post # 108

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

I personally think if SISU had been up-front and transparent from the very beginning, fans would have a considerably better backing for them. Sadly they were neither.

 

[robbiekeane]

So our complete lack of decent investment and moving us to another ground in Northampton is who else's fault. The fans or the people who actually make the decisions, not me, not you the actual people who decide what to do with your hard earned cash.Don't want to chew over old ground and start a tit for tat.It is my opinion only and my view calling people clowns and saying there view is crap is a little bit blinkered.

Please can you define investment? Because I'm not sure you really mean investment, I think you mean pissing money away on a football club? You know they are different right?

Have you seen the club accounts? We make a loss every year. So what hard earned cash are you referring to? Please answer these and then I think we can have a great discussion.

 

[Ranjit Bhurpa]

I agree. We need continuity and we currently have a manager who has shown a clear strategy and vision on how to get out of this division. I appreciate some of the supporters will not share his vision, but at least he looks like he knows what he's doing. Here's hoping that our board are robust and eject an approach [if it comes] and provide him with the resources to improve the team from last season.

Agree with this.

If there is any truth in what the OP says, perhaps TM is playing the bluff card and that any job offer from Rotherham would then be used as leverage to negotiate additional resources at CCFC?

 

[Skyblueweeman]

So our complete lack of decent investment and moving us to another ground in Northampton is who else's fault. The fans or the people who actually make the decisions, not me, not you the actual people who decide what to do with your hard earned cash.Don't want to chew over old ground and start a tit for tat.It is my opinion only and my view calling people clowns and saying there view is crap is a little bit blinkered.

So people are starting to go from complete lack of investment to complete lack of DECENT investment?

Listen, I want SISU gone as much as every single other person on this forum. I'm not going over old ground in terms of whose fault it was for Northampton (it's fairly clear there's blame on 'both sides') and I'm not saying peoples views are crap or they're blinkered.

If TM goes, he goes...plenty more able managers to take over. I totally agree that consistency is key for us but it is what it is and happens all the time in football...and I'm not saying that I'm ok with that. Northampton get promoted and their manager leaves to join another club. Shit happens in football. Putting in the scouting system, given the lodge an identity, instilling some identity in the club has all been great but TM isn't the only person in the world capable of doing it.

Because of that dreadful run we had from late-November to March, I'm not that fussed if he goes or not. I've said before, if he stays and proves me wrong and gets us promoted, I'll happily eat my words.

 

[Alkhen]

More worrying is that Reading have sacked McDermott, they were reportedly after Moggy last time around weren't they?

 

[mark82]

More worrying is that Reading have sacked McDermott, they were reportedly after Moggy last time around weren't they?

Jaap Stamp linked to that job quite heavily. Think they like their managers bald.

 

[Otis]

Jaap Stamp linked to that job quite heavily. Think they like their managers bald.

Right, I'll give them my mum's number then.

 

[mrtrench]

there's some right drama queens on this forum.

Are you calling me a drama queen? Right, that's it - I'm never going on the internet again, ever.

 

[Samo]

There are thousands that actually believe everything that SISU say as well!

Would you like to name a few?

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Are you calling me a drama queen? Right, that's it - I'm never going on the internet again, ever.

Drama Queen reply!

 

[stupot07]

Has he left yet?

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[skybluetony176]

Please can you define investment? Because I'm not sure you really mean investment, I think you mean pissing money away on a football club? You know they are different right?

Have you seen the club accounts? We make a loss every year. So what hard earned cash are you referring to? Please answer these and then I think we can have a great discussion.

Like you said, define investment. Take Bournemouth for example, they've invested in the team. I wouldn't say they've pissed anything up the wall. It can be done but it' all about common sense. You have to look at who SISU have entrusted with their investment in CCFC and then asked why it has been pissed up the wall. The answer of course is that historicaly they've entrusted the wrong people and not shown much common sense in doing so. TM (along with MV) is probably the best appointment that our owners have ever made at the club and a section of fans want him sacked. Doesn't say alot about the others.

 

[stupot07]

Like you said, define investment. Take Bournemouth for example, they've invested in the team. I wouldn't say they've pissed anything up the wall. It can be done but it' all about common sense. You have to look at who SISU have entrusted with their investment in CCFC and then asked why it has been pissed up the wall. The answer of course is that historicaly they've entrusted the wrong people and not shown much common sense in doing so. TM (along with MV) is probably the best appointment that our owners have ever made at the club and a section of fans want him sacked. Doesn't say alot about the others.

For every Bournemouth there's a load of other clubs that don't promoted to the PL despite pissing away money....

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[Sky Blue Kid]

Would you like to name a few?

Let me see now?... RFC, and the thousands that wanted SISU to muller CCC in court. That enough for you?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

For every Bournemouth there's a load of other clubs that don't promoted to the PL despite pissing away money....

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How many teams in recent years with the exception of Blackpool and Burnley have gained promotion to the Premier League without spending considerable amounts of money on players?
PS. Look at the demise of Blackpool now mate

 

[skybluetony176]

For every Bournemouth there's a load of other clubs that don't promoted to the PL despite pissing away money....

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Like I said it's about who you entrust with the investment you're making. SISU invested heavily in the club when they first arrived but sadly entrusted Ransom with that investment.

Bournemouth investors got it right, SISU got it wrong and then continued in the same vain. Look of the list of board members and managers who have delivered failure after failure and not done anything to improve our situation. Waggot is possibly the best of a bad bunch where board members are concerned (Jury still out on CA), he was instumental in getting us away from Sixfields and bought TM in. I really am struggling to think of anyone else since SISU arrived who has achieved anything more positive than that. When you consider that it's SISU who have pissed their money up the wall instead of investing it.

 

[robbiekeane]

Like you said, define investment. Take Bournemouth for example, they've invested in the team. I wouldn't say they've pissed anything up the wall. It can be done but it' all about common sense. You have to look at who SISU have entrusted with their investment in CCFC and then asked why it has been pissed up the wall. The answer of course is that historicaly they've entrusted the wrong people and not shown much common sense in doing so. TM (along with MV) is probably the best appointment that our owners have ever made at the club and a section of fans want him sacked. Doesn't say alot about the others.

As Stutpot said, for every bournmouth there are many more who have pissed it away and either got in big trouble financially, or have rich owners willing to incur the losses on the off chance that they hit the jackpot. Statistically it's not a good investment.

If you were to ask me which method I'd prefer out of the current method of trying to be self sufficient, and do things within our means (doesn't mean we can't progress by the way), or the Richardson method of getting leveraged up to our arse and paying big money wages and risking it all, I know which way I'd choose.

Then again, I can think logically, and look at the bigger picture.

 

[Samo]

Let me see now?... RFC, and the thousands that wanted SISU to muller CCC in court. That enough for you?

So that's one then, and an unhinged one at that.
As far as court goes, I don't believe a word SISU say but I'd love them to screw CCC in court. Your theory seems a little flawed.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

How is it flawed? Up to now CCC have been exonerated in Court, not once but three times(Count them) I've said before that CCC have their part in this s**tfest but the wrong doings by SISU could have been avoided if they were open and transparent in the first place.... Dragging up old ground now...1) Made the £20m promised an actuality! 2) Not told lies about being one of only 3-4 Clubs in the football league to be debt free. 3)Bought the share of the Ricoh at the start of takeover instead of "Hedging their bets" (Did you like what I did there?)

 

[Ranjit Bhurpa]

So that's one then, and an unhinged one at that.
As far as court goes, I don't believe a word SISU say but I'd love them to screw CCC in court. Your theory seems a little flawed.

Seconded. A Sisu victory in the courts is the only possible outcome that could bring any benefits whatsoever to CCFC.

 

[skybluetony176]

As Stutpot said, for every bournmouth there are many more who have pissed it away and either got in big trouble financially, or have rich owners willing to incur the losses on the off chance that they hit the jackpot. Statistically it's not a good investment.

If you were to ask me which method I'd prefer out of the current method of trying to be self sufficient, and do things within our means (doesn't mean we can't progress by the way), or the Richardson method of getting leveraged up to our arse and paying big money wages and risking it all, I know which way I'd choose.

Then again, I can think logically, and look at the bigger picture.

Being self sufficient in league 1 definately doesn't mean that you can't progress. But it still comes back to the people you entrust and the decisions you/they make. Since being in league 1 we've had a rent strike, admin that cost us 20 points in total and didn't seem to free the club from much debt if any at all, the whole sixfields debacle which severely cost the club financially meaning that the club took no benefit from either the Wilson sale or the Aresenal cup windfall, the benefit of this went to SISU/ARVO and investors as it reduced the obvious losses that were going to be incurred by the disastrious decision, commercially we are inept and have been for years so there has been no maximising incomes from sponsorship, corperate etc. Everything has been franchised out from programs to the shop which must be hitting turnover and the ticketing system has been collapsing if anymore than 10'000 want to go to a 32K stadium. The ticketing being the latest thing to be franchised out, how much is that going to cost us in turnover. Running a club is so much more than appointing a decent manager. Is it any wonder that SISU's investment has been pissed up the wall when you look at the people they've entrusted with it and the decisions that have been made?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Seconded. A Sisu victory in the courts is the only possible outcome that could bring any benefits whatsoever to CCFC.

If that isn't a "Unhinged post" nothing is. It doesn't matter how much devastation is caused as long as CCFC is ok.! I really wouldn't be bothered if our owners "Actually cared" about our Football Club... They don't. We are merely a pawn in their greed.

 

[Samo]

How is it flawed? Up to now CCC have been exonerated in Court, not once but three times(Count them) I've said before that CCC have their part in this s**tfest but the wrong doings by SISU could have been avoided if they were open and transparent in the first place.... Dragging up old ground now...1) Made the £20m promised an actuality! 2) Not told lies about being one of only 3-4 Clubs in the football league to be debt free. 3)Bought the share of the Ricoh at the start of takeover instead of "Hedging their bets" (Did you like what I did there?)

Don't change the subject. You said that thousands believe every word SISU say and when I asked you to name some you cited ''the thousands that wanted SISU to muller CCC in court.'' I say that is utter nonsense and would suggest that my own position (mistrust of SISU but wanting CCC brought to book) is more a more realistic assessment of how the more measured and reasonable supporter might feel.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Don't change the subject. You said that thousands believe every word SISU say and when I asked you to name some you cited ''the thousands that wanted SISU to muller CCC in court.'' I say that is utter nonsense and would suggest that my own position (mistrust of SISU but wanting CCC brought to book) is more a more realistic assessment of how the more measured and reasonable supporter might feel.

Are you real, or just a WUM? I haven't changed the subject at all. You're trying to make out I think everything is SISU's fault..I don't!
How is it flawed? Up to now CCC have been exonerated in Court, not once but three times(Count them) I've said before that CCC have their part in this s**tfest but the wrong doings by SISU could have been avoided if they were open and transparent in the first place.... Dragging up old ground now...1) Made the £20m promised an actuality! 2) Not told lies about being one of only 3-4 Clubs in the football league to be debt free. 3)Bought the share of the Ricoh at the start of takeover instead of "Hedging their bets" (Did you like what I did there?)
Or do you think any of those 3 points I made are lies? If so prove it!