torchomatic
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Maybe their inboxes were full and they didn't see the requests.
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CA: Lease Extension At Higgs Ignored (22 Viewers)
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oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Question does a landlord have to give notice when a lease terminates at a fixed point in time?
Paul Breed "exploring options" 19/05/2016 today is 01/06/2016 and two letters in last two weeks. Cant help thinking this is far too important to have waited so long in the first place let alone relying on letters. Yes common courtesy says Breed should have made contact sooner and better but .......
I am surprised that SISU/CCFC were unaware of the nature of discussions with Wasps given the charge that was filed against CAWAT at Companies House 18/03/2016
Communication is a two way thing and I get the impression that CCFC didn't start pushing for a new deal until this March. Nothing to stop them making the first move. It needed to be well before March though. Surely it must have occurred to someone that with Wasps looking for a training site then the Higgs Centre was a very possible target
All sides put their spin on it but I would rather have actual dates rather than "not long ago" kind of ties things down and helps the reader decide who did what when
Then I come back to the club being shut out etc - is that the case or have CCFC got to find an alternative (quickly) - or is it scene setting for another purpose
Sorry but I do not believe CA is unaware of the other stuff going on considering who he reports to and who actually makes the decisions
We are back yet again to issues being aired, battered and undecided in public. As I said in another thread many fans see another argument and switch off - we can not afford to do that on this issue.
Final question, I assume that CCFC has a disaster plan for these sort of things - are there any alternatives that could be made to work and FA still sanction Cat 2 status?
Paul Breed "exploring options" 19/05/2016 today is 01/06/2016 and two letters in last two weeks. Cant help thinking this is far too important to have waited so long in the first place let alone relying on letters. Yes common courtesy says Breed should have made contact sooner and better but .......
I am surprised that SISU/CCFC were unaware of the nature of discussions with Wasps given the charge that was filed against CAWAT at Companies House 18/03/2016
Communication is a two way thing and I get the impression that CCFC didn't start pushing for a new deal until this March. Nothing to stop them making the first move. It needed to be well before March though. Surely it must have occurred to someone that with Wasps looking for a training site then the Higgs Centre was a very possible target
All sides put their spin on it but I would rather have actual dates rather than "not long ago" kind of ties things down and helps the reader decide who did what when
Then I come back to the club being shut out etc - is that the case or have CCFC got to find an alternative (quickly) - or is it scene setting for another purpose
Sorry but I do not believe CA is unaware of the other stuff going on considering who he reports to and who actually makes the decisions
We are back yet again to issues being aired, battered and undecided in public. As I said in another thread many fans see another argument and switch off - we can not afford to do that on this issue.
Final question, I assume that CCFC has a disaster plan for these sort of things - are there any alternatives that could be made to work and FA still sanction Cat 2 status?
Nick
Administrator
Maybe crfc are annoyed all the promises haven't materialised, and ignored.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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I suspect CRFC will either have to get onside with the council or face being run down by them over the next 12-18 months.
eastwoodsdustman
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Nick
Administrator
It also says discussions last year or before about the long term plans and the sports science stuff? As well as in person when he first came in?
It was also mentioned in the last article before breed made his other statement they weren't being responsive I think?
Just a side note.... I sponsor a Rugby team ( was the shirt sponsor- really - and am still in negotiations about next season ). After the last game of the season, one of them asked me why I have CCFC things
Both. Fuck for not aggressively showing interest by announcements, guarantees, press interviews etc. and yes, the inevitable stitch up - always on the cards with a rugby club spreading its wings and a council in court - having been taken there by the owners of CCFC. No surprise thre.
Both. Fuck for not aggressively showing interest by announcements, guarantees, press interviews etc. and yes, the inevitable stitch up - always on the cards with a rugby club spreading its wings and a council in court - having been taken there by the owners of CCFC. No surprise thre.
eastwoodsdustman
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Are you admitting that the club are being stitched up or justifying them being stitched up?
The Reverend Skyblue
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surely if they are not answering emails and phone calls just ring his secretary and book an appointment face to face as a matter of urgency.If the secretary keeps saying he's not available keep trying and logging everything you do.
CSF surely can't swerve an appointment ,get the answers to our question, if they do swerve it we know something up and they have already sorted it with other parties.
For me it's far to important to keep sending emails etc, get CSF to honour an appointment with those who also make the decision also present.
CSF surely can't swerve an appointment ,get the answers to our question, if they do swerve it we know something up and they have already sorted it with other parties.
For me it's far to important to keep sending emails etc, get CSF to honour an appointment with those who also make the decision also present.
We are at war. It's one thing pursuing JRs and washing your enemy's dirty linen through the courts, but it is pretty naive not to have covered your back by ensuring no-one can nick things from behind your lines. Incredible. Just to say I sent emails and tried to contact them - still waiting for a reply. Not good enough. Yes, we are being done over, but we should have seen this coming a mile off. Too little, too late.
Nick
Administrator
They swerved it with their last public statement, surely that's a bit telling?
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
I would trick him. I would say "Hi, my name is Kris Andersoon and I am CE of St Ives Rugby Club, just wanted to know if we could base our Academy up there in Cov?"
RegTheDonk
Well-Known Member
While this is a piece by the columnist who has in the main supported SISU, and based on talking to one person (Herman), it does appear to be that way Rev. Dismayed that we’d not only lose an excellent facility for our kids, but one that has national recognition which receives a grant.
This needs to be sorted out…all parties involved need to put the past behind them and get round the table, for the good of CCFC and the fans in the community.
I'd wonder, and just speculating, if SISU threw in the towel tomorrow and sold up...would the council suddenly have a change of heart? Favourable planning permission/extensions be granted? Would the Higgs suddenly agree a long term deal?
Why would they do that? you ask. I just feel that Tim and Joy have burned too many bridges now, despite any good intentions the new chairman might have.
I think we are being stitched up. I think the owners are cxxts for allowing it to get this far. There has been so much BS and the continuing legals and the past legals do not help. Why are we not in front? Why are we not the ones offering guarantees and business plans? We are the ones chasing things... We are on the run... CA is probably in the dark on some things and is just now finding out what is happening. A joke.
Nick
Administrator
You can only be in front if you are allowed to be in front?
Why do you say we are being stitched up but then rant about just the owners? Does it not make people wonder what else the club has been stitched up on if they acknowledge they are being stitched up now?
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
So we are being stitched up, but it's not their fault.
As regards your first point: That's my fxxking job!
The Reverend Skyblue
Well-Known Member
It's so obvious that the council and Wasps are in bed together.
There end game for me is the total destruction of not just the football club but Cov rugby club as well .Wasps can then have freedom of the city to do what they want knowing they always will have the councils full backing imo.
Wasps want the population of Cov to themselves so they have no choice but to go up to the Ricoh to see sport, that's their end game.
There end game for me is the total destruction of not just the football club but Cov rugby club as well .Wasps can then have freedom of the city to do what they want knowing they always will have the councils full backing imo.
Wasps want the population of Cov to themselves so they have no choice but to go up to the Ricoh to see sport, that's their end game.
Nick
Administrator
I think the sponsoring of the city of culture bid shows there is back scratching going on
What other city would have a sports team from London who just moved in going on about the culture of the city? It's like John Terry being in his full kit turning up.
It is all part of this saga. It flows backwards and forwards - at the moment we are losing. If it was a few games being lost you would be after TM ( some were ) and now it is our owners who are constantly losing, but you say it is the fault of the opposition that they are winning. I say that our 'defence' in off the field games is crap ( our attack is not much cop either ) and blame the owners.
eastwoodsdustman
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CSF …More Than Just Sport!
Coventry Sports Foundation is a charitable Trust and limited company registered in England, with a mission to;
provide a wide range of sporting, recreational, educational and social activities to under-represented and disadvantaged community groups and individuals within Coventry.
As CSF are a charitable trust and are run for the benefit of the people of Coventry would they have a legal obligation to stand by their statement and support the people of Coventry. Surely the academy is made up mainly of Coventry people,the ones they are there to support.
Surely they'd be independent from the council wouldn't they? If so, why would they go against the citys football club. If they're not independent then why aren't they?
Coventry Sports Foundation is a charitable Trust and limited company registered in England, with a mission to;
provide a wide range of sporting, recreational, educational and social activities to under-represented and disadvantaged community groups and individuals within Coventry.
As CSF are a charitable trust and are run for the benefit of the people of Coventry would they have a legal obligation to stand by their statement and support the people of Coventry. Surely the academy is made up mainly of Coventry people,the ones they are there to support.
Surely they'd be independent from the council wouldn't they? If so, why would they go against the citys football club. If they're not independent then why aren't they?
Nick
Administrator
That is an awful analogy isn't it?
So we blame the owners for us getting stitched up by other parties? surely you blame the other parties, and then blame our owners when they stitch us up?
Not really. The fault lies nearer to home and CA comes across as very weak and/or naive. This is actually where we need the TF throwing keys around in anger bit, but instead we hear I am still waiting for a reply ( or words to that effect). We won't win a deal for the academy like that. But let's blame Wasps, eh Torch?
Nick
Administrator
We won't get anywhere while our fans are more interested in defending sports foundations and rugby clubs...
Fault aside, all parties should be hammered about this. CCFC have said they want long term but CSF aren't being responsive, CSF said the door is open with a very basic statement about it but no mention of everything else.
Who is lying?
The very basic statement put out almost mirrored the "come and buy our share of the higgs while wasps have the other 50%" crap. We all know that was just PR too and wasn't possible either.
eastwoodsdustman
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torchomatic
Well-Known Member
Of course not. As someone said earlier it's this default attitude that helps them get away with it.
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oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
I think whilst CCC didn't have an alternative they thought they needed to be at least appear to be a little more conciliatory. That was the same for other organisations too
However now there is an alternative, CCC and others are saying we don't want or don't need the aggro/problems, then are looking past CCFC at other options. I would think they view CCFC as a problem not an asset, one that has less importance than it used to, certainly there is no pretence of partnership involving CCFC from any side.
On the other side of that whilst the owner may be wealthy or have access to funds the club doesn't. The owner has no real interest in the club other than "investment" and the club is less and less able to fight back. Its only main weapon at the moment seems to be releasing statements via Mr Reid that are far from conciliatory. At a time where forging partnerships is vital CCFC is becoming more isolated
It is not a matter of what went on, it is very much a matter of working for a positive future for all concerned
Very troubling times
However now there is an alternative, CCC and others are saying we don't want or don't need the aggro/problems, then are looking past CCFC at other options. I would think they view CCFC as a problem not an asset, one that has less importance than it used to, certainly there is no pretence of partnership involving CCFC from any side.
On the other side of that whilst the owner may be wealthy or have access to funds the club doesn't. The owner has no real interest in the club other than "investment" and the club is less and less able to fight back. Its only main weapon at the moment seems to be releasing statements via Mr Reid that are far from conciliatory. At a time where forging partnerships is vital CCFC is becoming more isolated
It is not a matter of what went on, it is very much a matter of working for a positive future for all concerned
Very troubling times
Nick
Administrator
As the Trust are saying, all sides should be answering questions.
Nick
Administrator
But surely if they are being isolated for saying that they are trying but being ignored then what can be done? Surely CCFC are saying they are trying to form a partnership?
You would think if any other council was having an alternative of a rugby club from a different city and weren't bothered about the effect on the city's own football team (or rugby team in this instance) then surely questions should be asked of them rather than the whole "serves them right, they said something in 2013 / 2014".
Have the owners ever stitched us up? Bad management, yes, but stitching us up deliberately, not that I know of. Yes, I do blame our owners for bad negotiations and not being on the ball or anticipating things happening. Wasps etc. Are looking after themselves - selfish, but normal. Why aren't we the ones with ideas, the plans, the offers? We didn't think of that and they didn't tell us what they were going to do may be an excuse for a child, but it is hardly what you would expect from highly qualified management. Yes I am pissed off.
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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Nick
Administrator
You can't buy something if nobody opens the shop can you? If CSF won't reply to CCFC trying to sort a long term deal but will speak to Wasps then how can they? If the local media and the clubs own fans prefer a random rugby team then what can be done?
This isn't about SISU, it is about the CCFC Academy. I couldn't care if SISU go bust tomorrow and they all have to live in a bedsit together as long as the club is ok.
Captain Dart
Well-Known Member
Isn't it obvious that while SISU continue with legal attacks no one will cooperate with them. To expect otherwise is naive.
SISU have painted themselves into a corner, they are idiots for attacking without being able to guarantee victory.
SISU have painted themselves into a corner, they are idiots for attacking without being able to guarantee victory.
Nick
Administrator
After the club was attacked with a legal attack from the Higgs?
Where do CSF come into any of the legal stuff?
SkyBlue_Bear83
Well-Known Member
Probably officially independent but the council can make it very difficult for anyone in the city seen to be working with the football club