Planning application for Higgs submitted by Wasps (12 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

You want noise

I agree.

I'm just being clear that it's pointless trying to come up with reasonable objections that stand a fighting chance.

If there's a way to do that, I'll do that... else I'll write them a suitably long-winded ranty (ultimately pointless) objection, that'll at least take them up some time to read!

 

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[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

I agree.

I'm just being clear that it's pointless trying to come up with reasonable objections that stand a fighting chance.

If there's a way to do that, I'll do that... else I'll write them a suitably long-winded ranty (ultimately pointless) objection, that'll at least take them up some time to read!

I was asking but the smiley things aren't working at the moment.

 

[armybike]

So in your view, objections to the site are ultimately futile to get any application rejected (there are no grounds that could be used for that) but may at least make some noise?

As a general over view, the following are deemed as possible legitimate reasons for objections to planning applications -

• Loss of light or overshadowing
• Overlooking/loss of privacy
• Visual amenity (but not loss of private view)
• Adequacy of parking/loading/turning
• Highway safety
• Traffic generation
• Noise and disturbance resulting from use
• Hazardous materials
• Smells
• Loss of trees
• Effect on listed building and conservation area
• Layout and density of building
• Design, appearance and materials
• Landscaping
• Road access
• Local, strategic, regional and national planning policies
• Government circulars, orders and statutory instruments
• Disabled persons' access
• Compensation and awards of costs against the Council at public enquiries
• Proposals in the Development Plan
• Previous planning decisions (including appeal decisions)
• Nature conservation
• Archaeology
• Solar panels

However, these aren't

• The perceived loss of property value
• Private disputes between neighbours
• The loss of a view
• The impact of construction work or competition between firms
• Restrictive covenants
• Ownerships disputes over rights of way
• Fence lines etc
• Personal morals or views about the applicant.

As I suspect most of the objections would be around "Personal morals or views about the applicant" then these points/comments would not impact on the process.

As the site is already used for sports and so there wouldn't be need for a change of use on the site, it would be difficult to demonstrate the proposed development is detrimental (in the wider sense - not specify towards the academy).

With regards making noise, they do form part of the papers linked with the application but if it went before the Planning Committee they'd only get an abridged overview of the comments and only the points of objection that fall within the list of relevant objections would be included.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

With regards making noise, they do form part of the papers linked with the application but if it went before the Planning Committee they'd only get an abridged overview of the comments and only the points of objection that fall within the list of relevant objections would be included.

Yeah I read your post before, I was hoping for either a targeted 'this is where you could focus a planning objection that stands a chance' or 'there's nothing really that's appropriate'.

As for noise, it'll still need someone, even if only a hired goon, to read through my objection. I'm sure I can contrive *some* links to those, even if ultimately invalid.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

As a general over view, the following are deemed as possible legitimate reasons for objections to planning applications -

• Loss of light or overshadowing
• Overlooking/loss of privacy
• Visual amenity (but not loss of private view)
• Adequacy of parking/loading/turning
• Highway safety
• Traffic generation
• Noise and disturbance resulting from use
• Hazardous materials
• Smells
• Loss of trees
• Effect on listed building and conservation area
• Layout and density of building
• Design, appearance and materials
• Landscaping
• Road access
• Local, strategic, regional and national planning policies
• Government circulars, orders and statutory instruments
• Disabled persons' access
• Compensation and awards of costs against the Council at public enquiries
• Proposals in the Development Plan
• Previous planning decisions (including appeal decisions)
• Nature conservation
• Archaeology
• Solar panels

However, these aren't

• The perceived loss of property value
• Private disputes between neighbours
• The loss of a view
• The impact of construction work or competition between firms
• Restrictive covenants
• Ownerships disputes over rights of way
• Fence lines etc
• Personal morals or views about the applicant.

As I suspect most of the objections would be around "Personal morals or views about the applicant" then these points/comments would not impact on the process.

As the site is already used for sports and so there wouldn't be need for a change of use on the site, it would be difficult to demonstrate the proposed development is detrimental (in the wider sense - not specify towards the academy).

With regards making noise, they do form part of the papers linked with the application but if it went before the Planning Committee they'd only get an abridged overview of the comments and only the points of objection that fall within the list of relevant objections would be included.

The noise is not in relation to planning. Noise as in noise,disturbance etc

 

[armybike]

The noise is not in relation to planning. Noise as in noise,disturbance etc

Yep, aware of that and my reply is regarding this - sending in countless emails, letters, comments saying Higgs/CCC are a bunch of back-stabbers won't have any impact on the application process.

They've be added to the file, uploaded to the portal and not referred to again as such comments don't fall within the objections criteria.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Yep, aware of that and my reply is regarding this - sending in countless emails, letters, comments saying Higgs/CCC are a bunch of back-stabbers won't have any impact on the application process.

They've be added to the file, uploaded to the portal and not referred to again as such comments don't fall within the objections criteria.

Archaeology is an interesting one in that list...

I assume the site is nowehere near the old Grange itself?

 

[stupot07]

I'm sure I saw a Grey Created Newt scurry across the car park on Saturday

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[armybike]

Archaeology is an interesting one in that list...

I assume the site is nowehere near the old Grange itself?

Not really sure if honest, but assume that would have been checked on the original development on the site.

However, we could always say it's a site of great historic interest and see if that works!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

However, we could always say it's a site of great historic interest and see if that works!

Out of interest, is there time after the objections to expand on any objections?

Ernseford Grange is (strange, I know!) a site of historic interest. Naturally, building a sodding great housing estate on it doesn't help the cause! But, all around there, with the Grange and then the old Craven land has a past.

John Clarke (ex CCFC director) has an interest in Coventry history (Caludon Castle was his book), so maybe he'd like to do some research

 

[King of the Lesbians]

Nothing wrong in telling Sisu I wont be attending if the stadium is stuck at 15,000..
Helps them make the right decision.

You've told Sisu. You'll have to let me know how that goes…

The walk up bit is one of the reasons I like the Ricoh. But feel free to quote it at any opportunity.

Thanks. :kiss:

For the record I would attend a stadium anywhere in the Coventry area providing it can be expanded to PL capacity when required.
I would also attend a smaller (non expandable) stadium if it was shown, without doubt, that the club needed to do it to survive.

Ok. But that's not what you said so thanks for clarifying!

 

[armybike]

Out of interest, is there time after the objections to expand on any objections?

Ernseford Grange is (strange, I know!) a site of historic interest. Naturally, building a sodding great housing estate on it doesn't help the cause! But, all around there, with the Grange and then the old Craven land has a past.

John Clarke (ex CCFC director) has an interest in Coventry history (Caludon Castle was his book), so maybe he'd like to do some research

With regards the extension of timeframe are you referring to allowing time for research to be carried out on back ground info etc?

If so it would be possible to contact the Planning officer who's been assigned the application and ask the direct question/request an extension or make a note on your initial comments app that there is more material to follow.

The deadline dates are more of a guide rather than a set in stone "We can't take any more info" situation.

If it were to go before the Planning Committee (you can request your Cllr to do this) then theoretically they'd be able to accept info/comments up until the point the agenda for the meeting is compiled, as this will have all the abridged/bullet pointed comments in.

So whilst it's a 'how long is a piece of string' reply, yes it would (in theory!) be possible to add more info/details after the cut off date.

 

[oldfiver]

The headline is the start, the art is to pursue it and see if it's feasible and within the academy rules which apparently can be stretched.

Nothing wrong in telling Sisu I wont be attending if the stadium is stuck at 15,000..
Helps them make the right decision.
The walk up bit is one of the reasons I like the Ricoh. But feel free to quote it at any opportunity.
For the record I would attend a stadium anywhere in the Coventry area providing it can be expanded to PL capacity when required.
I would also attend a smaller (non expandable) stadium if it was shown, without doubt, that the club needed to do it to survive.

No point telling SISU that is it, as they do not own the freehold, the headlease or underlease.
Jon Sharp said at the SCG meeting the current owners will not be selling to SISU
That is also the problem with CCC saying SISU have to talk to them - they seem not to know who their tenant is

 

[Grendel]

I'm in Llandudno and I can still smell your bullshit from here.

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You'll wake up in the morning and find a camper van parked next to you.

 

[Shakeitup]

I saw this posted by Daeg on the Wasps board:

"Despite already knowing the awe inspiring incompetence of SISU it beggars belief that they would play games with the CCFC academy in this way. Their statement reads like a poor script from Dallas with a mock tearful JR Ewing bemoaning the lack of response from someone to discuss the extension of a contract despite knowing he has deliberately stalled negotiations to get a better deal. The end date of the contract is 2017, they should have been actively negotiating a year ago. CSF have a responsibility to secure their business, if SISU want to play silly b*****rs (again) then they can't complain about Wasps filling the gap. They should have learned their lesson over the Ricoh. But it appears learning is not their style. I really am trying to empathise with the Sky Blue Supporters but don't blame Wasps for SISU incompetence."

It sums up my feelings towards SISU.

I love seeing City do well. I love it more when home grown players are used. To toy with that, or to lack the foresight and nous to secure this facility (or to actually arrange their own!) is incredible!

 

[Otis]

Now this might sound a little naive, but why can't we go out and build a new academy? We're all talking about out own stadium and the add on revenue stuff required like conference and hotel facilities etc. etc.

Why don't we just go out find a location (should be much easier as it will be so much smaller an area needed), build an academy, but also include some of the things we need to generate income, so therefore open for public events in the evenings when there is nothing else the club has on?

Be less investment needed and will help secure our future, even if only temporary for now. Wouldn't stop us looking for a new stadium or attempting to secure a deal at the Ricoh.

We could even work with an existing club such as Cov Sphinx, or Bedworth or Cov Rugby, making it a deal where they get to benefit too from much improved facilities.

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[Otis]

And then also, if we were to build a stadium outside the city boundaries in the near future at least we would still have a physical presence WITHIN the city with the academy and associated events that would go alongside it.

 

[skybluetony176]

Now this might sound a little naive, but why can't we go out and build a new academy? We're all talking about out own stadium and the add on revenue stuff required like conference and hotel facilities etc. etc.

Why don't we just go out find a location (should be much easier as it will be so much smaller an area needed), build an academy, but also include some of the things we need to generate income, so therefore open for public events in the evenings when there is nothing else the club has on?

Be less investment needed and will help secure our future, even if only temporary for now. Wouldn't stop us looking for a new stadium or attempting to secure a deal at the Ricoh.

We could even work with an existing club such as Cov Sphinx, or Bedworth or Cov Rugby, making it a deal where they get to benefit too from much improved facilities.

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Was thinking this myself and I think the simple answer is that it would require investment. I even went as far as looking at sites on google maps and come up with the idea that presumably the application that Wasps put in with RBC for Broad Street RFC's site is now out the window and there looks to be alot more land there than there is at Ryton. Would Broad Street do a deal to swap sites with some financial benefit going there way? The senior team could start training straight away and the academy has time enough (we think) to stay at the Higgs while the academy is developed and then we'd have the academy and training gound all on the same sight as expected.

Obviously Broad Street would have to be up for it and SISU would need to be willing to invest. I suspect that the first one is alot more likely than the second.

 

[Calista]

Now this might sound a little naive, but why can't we go out and build a new academy? We're all talking about out own stadium and the add on revenue stuff required like conference and hotel facilities etc. etc.

Why don't we just go out find a location (should be much easier as it will be so much smaller an area needed), build an academy, but also include some of the things we need to generate income, so therefore open for public events in the evenings when there is nothing else the club has on?

Be less investment needed and will help secure our future, even if only temporary for now. Wouldn't stop us looking for a new stadium or attempting to secure a deal at the Ricoh.

We could even work with an existing club such as Cov Sphinx, or Bedworth or Cov Rugby, making it a deal where they get to benefit too from much improved facilities.

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I like the sound of it Otis. But it would involve first having an idea, and then investing some money to carry it out. When was the last time CCFC did that, I mean actually do something to help ourselves?

 

[Otis]

I like the sound of it Otis. But it would involve first having an idea, and then investing some money to carry it out. When was the last time CCFC did that, I mean actually do something to help ourselves?

Yep, but we are talking money and investment for a new stadium. If we don't believe money and investment would be forthcoming for a new academy, then why would we believe it for a new stadium?

 

[Grendel]

But how will it help the situation if I stay away ?
The threat has happened the question is how we make the best of it.
We can try and bring Wasps down to our level or bring ourselves up to their level.
I suggest a lot on here would sooner we both fail. Highlighted by people effectively saying we should ignore the Wasps olive branch in regards the Higgs.

Some Italia gems in this thread - this is one of them

 

[Mr Panda]

I hear they're going ahead and building a barn at the Higgs for the Academy.

 

[Qwerty70]

Wasps aren’t building anything @ Alan Higgs. Deal off the table.

 

[covcity4life]

They are gonna use an old barn in city farm wyken to train their shit rugby players

 

[stupot07]

BREAKING NEWS: WASPS have built the new state of the art kicking barn has part of their high tech training base.....

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[coop]

BREAKING NEWS: WASPS have built the new state of the art kicking barn has part of their high tech training base.....

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Can you find a picture of our new stadium please.

 

[stupot07]

Can you find a picture of our new stadium please.

Here you go...

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[Mr Panda]

Wasps aren’t building anything @ Alan Higgs. Deal off the table.

Yeah I didn't mean Wasps. I mean there is meant to be a barn/dome, whatever you want to call it being built at the Higgs for Coventry's Academy.

 

[italiahorse]

Yeah I didn't mean Wasps. I mean there is meant to be a barn/dome, whatever you want to call it being built at the Higgs for Coventry's Academy.

It's a new barn because the old one is becoming a swimming pool.
CCFC will rent it just like we will.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

It's a new barn because the old one is becoming a swimming pool.
CCFC will rent it just like we will.

We?

 

[italiahorse]

We?

The general public. I'm there twice a week indoors but moving outside now until it's built.

 

[italiahorse]

Some Italia gems in this thread - this is one of them

It was an olive branch at the time, given when he application went in and the academy was under threat.
Are you desperate for attention ?

 

[Nick]

It was an olive branch at the time, given when he application went in and the academy was under threat.
Are you desperate for attention ?

Not half as much as you when you get a bit desperate it seems

 

[chiefdave]

Wonder if the swimming pool build will still need rugby facilities that were completely unrelated to Wasps?

 

[singers_pore]

Wasps don’t need a swimming pool they are already swimming ... in debt