Legal action (11 Viewers)

[dongonzalos]

Not sure why but Grendel seems very keen on me starting a thread on this so here it is.......

It's regarding whether the legal action should be dropped if it means we can secure a long term deal at the Ricoh and academy that is acceptable to CCFC.

Wasps claim talks have been positive and good progress made but they won't complete any deal whilst the distraction of legal battles is going on.
So should we consider calling Wasps bluff and getting them back round the table with the promise that if a deal can be reached. If the deal is acceptable to the club and also includes acceptable academy access. Should we agree that a condition of signing it will be that the legal action will be stopped.

 

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[Nick]

Slightly leading question, but carry on!

 

[stupot07]

We can't agree on anything. Its up to sisu.

I would prefer wasps to come to the table first, and negotiate a deal that's too good to turn down, then use it as leverage if they want to to try and stop the legal action.

At the minute its "stop the legal action and we will talk". I don't even think the promise of dropping it should we reach a deal will be enough for wasps to get around the table. I also don't think they can offer us a 'too good to turn down' deal on the Ricoh or academy front.



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[Brylowes]

Couldn't give a fuck !
When has anyone ever listened to our opinion.
It's all about the football for me from now on.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I said elsewhere, I'd rather the legal action reached its conclusion, and we found CCC utterly exonerated... then the murky stench that comes with bullying and blackmail to let it go away. The latter ends up with innuendo, suspicion and distruct for years after.

I also don't like bullies... be they SISU, CCC, or Wasps.

Or all of the above!

 

[dongonzalos]

Slightly leading question, but carry on!

I was trying not to be.
That's the way I see it.
Either it's sod all to do with Wasps and they should stay out of it.
Or I don't give a damn about the legal action and we should test if wasps are telling the truth

 

[Sick Boy]

....they should never have been allowed to move to the city in the first place and they certainly shouldn't be trying to issue threats in order to allow us to play in our own city.

 

[Sick Boy]

I said elsewhere, I'd rather the legal action reached its conclusion, and we found CCC utterly exonerated... then the murky stench that comes with bullying and blackmail to let it go away. The latter ends up with innuendo, suspicion and distruct for years after.

I also don't like bullies... be they SISU, CCC, or Wasps.

Or all of the above!

Well said, as always!

 

[chiefdave]

I was trying not to be.
That's the way I see it.
Either it's sod all to do with Wasps and they should stay out of it.
Or I don't give a damn about the legal action and we should test if wasps are telling the truth

Might have been better if you'd just given a yes or no option! In yes you've linked it to securing the future of the club. That's not an establish link. SISU could drop the legal action and then have Wasps turn round and say we want £5m a year.

 

[RegTheDonk]

How about Herman comes out, shows his hand, says "we will drop the legal action if WASPs give us these 17 points and a long term deal", and lists them.

We can then all see if it's a reasonable request, and if so there's no reason why WASPs shouldn't come to an agreement.

If WASPs don't, then Gilbert, Reid and the rest of us can start writing negative press, boycott WASPs games, and start protests.

Herman can then say to CCC, we did the right thing, they're trying to kick us out of Cov, we want panning permission for this site (be it Butts or wherever), we're stopping the legals so there's no reason why you should deny this unless you also want to see the end of the CCFC.

Only drawback, SISU have to actually spend some money and give up the JR...will show how much THEY value us, never mind WASPS and CCC.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

The legals should continue. If no wrongdoing has happened why not let sisu carry on embarrassing themselves?

 

[Astute]

The legals should continue. If no wrongdoing has happened why not let sisu carry on embarrassing themselves?

Can't you see the harm it is causing? All the legal action has brought is bad to our club. All trust has been lost. It sends a message out. Give SISU what they want or face legal action, even if there are no grounds for it.

But yes I also agree that we don't know what sort of deal is on the table if the legal crap is stopped. I would have preferred if a list of agreements with the 17 points were made for cessation of legal matters were publicised. Then we could make our minds up on who is taking the piss if talks break down.

 

[chiefdave]

Also I'm not sure I'm comfortable with saying action against public bodies and their use of taxpayers money should be called to a halt if a company, not involved in the legal action, but who are in a better position financially say so.

 

[armybike]

Also I'm not sure I'm comfortable with saying action against public bodies and their use of taxpayers money should be called to a halt if a company, not involved in the legal action, but who are in a better position financially say so.

Who's told anyone to bring legal action to a halt?

 

[dongonzalos]

Also I'm not sure I'm comfortable with saying action against public bodies and their use of taxpayers money should be called to a halt if a company, not involved in the legal action, but who are in a better position financially say so.

They can't say so.
So we would need to offer it.
Let's call them out, get round the table.bif we get a deal that suits us then drop it.
Surely saving the football club is more important than battering people in court. When eventually after two years we end up losing and not saving the football club,

 

[Deleted member 5849]

They can't say so.
So we would need to offer it.
Let's call them out, get round the table.bif we get a deal that suits us then drop it.
Surely saving the football club is more important than battering people in court. When eventually after two years we end up losing and not saving the football club,

My concern is *if* there's a case (and I appreciate it's a big *if*) then abandoning legal action puts the club in a straightjacket for the foreseeable.

Somewhere, somehow, there'll always be a football club (not convinced Otium Entertainment trading as Coventry City is the football club I started off supporting, after all!), and following the status quo hasn't seen us get any uplift.

So... let legal actions run their course, for better or worse. I'd wager if negotiations were going well for the club, legal actions would be got rid of from SISU's POV without the need for ultimatums, anyway.

 

[Grendel]

This thread is going well even with the biased poll it's still going against Dongle.

Tee hee.

 

[martcov]

After an earlier defeat TF claimed the decision to be wrong in law and in fact. The decision was endorsed on appeal and the judge was even praised for his decision. So, it looks like SISU are on a loser. If it runs and runs and ends up costing SISU loads of time and money ( depending on if someone else is backing them ) have CCFC gained anything? The club is in limbo whilst all this is going on and we cannot progress with the stadium or team investment. Drop the crap and start running a football club.

 

[Astute]

This thread is going well even with the biased poll it's still going against Dongle.

Tee hee.

But shouldn't it be about making a point or getting a point across through having debates or learning about things and not making points against certain posters?

 

[Grendel]

But shouldn't it be about making a point or getting a point across through having debates or learning about things and not making points against certain posters?

Why do you actually think this thread was started?

 

[dongonzalos]

Because we might secure the future of our club.
I would rather that than see SISU embarrass themselves, them embarrassing themselves doesn't help us.
By the sounds of it dropping the legal action may help

The legals should continue. If no wrongdoing has happened why not let sisu carry on embarrassing themselves?

 

[SkyBlueZack]

May help? That sounds really good. The club are not paying for the court cases. It's only harming the club because people are using it as an excuse. Of course people lap the excuse up because they hate sisu.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Who the fuck is Herman?


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[SkyBlueZack]

Chris Anderson. Because he's german I think

 

[chiefdave]

Who's told anyone to bring legal action to a halt?

So no need for SISU to stop any legal action then.

 

[oldskyblue58]

Couple of comments

- Wasps are named on the second JR as interested parties. That action is suspended pending the outcome of the JR1
- I do not see why the two sides should not be talking even if the legal action between primarily CCC and SISU is still going on
- personally I think it is a convenient excuse. Wasps are being hard nosed, saying make a decision as to which way you want to go. "we" as in Wasps "need to know which way we are heading in the longer term" and are basically saying stay or go but choose one. (the court cases will go on for years yet)

 

[armybike]

So no need for SISU to stop any legal action then.

Nope, not from what's been said.

The negotiations are on hold whilst the legal action are ongoing.

Nobody has been told to halt the proceedings.

 

[shmmeee]

Chris Anderson. Because he's german I think

Thank you!

I've been trying to work that out for ages.

 

[Astute]

Nope, not from what's been said.

The negotiations are on hold whilst the legal action are ongoing.

Nobody has been told to halt the proceedings.

So would you call it blackmail then?

Wasps have said that they won't carry on with talks unless all legal action stops. They know that we don't have anywhere else to play. Could they get any closer to telling SISU to stop the legal action than they have?

 

[Nick]

Nobody has been told to halt the proceedings.

They pretty much have been if they want to play at the Ricoh / discuss playing anywhere in the city.

 

[chiefdave]

Nope, not from what's been said.

The negotiations are on hold whilst the legal action are ongoing.

Nobody has been told to halt the proceedings.

So given that letting the legal action run its course will last years beyond the end of our current agreement to play at the Ricoh what do you think will happen when we have nowhere to play?

 

[armybike]

So given that letting the legal action run its course will last years beyond the end of our current agreement to play at the Ricoh what do you think will happen when we have nowhere to play?

You said they've been told to halt the proceedings. This isn't true.

 

[dongonzalos]

May help? That sounds really good. The club are not paying for the court cases. It's only harming the club because people are using it as an excuse. Of course people lap the excuse up because they hate sisu.

Well if we sign a long term (20-25 year) agreement that suits us at the Ricoh and resolves then academy then I suppose 'may' is stretching It.
It will 'definitely' help as the future would be secured.
However if the legal action is more important than that then I see your point

 

[chiefdave]

You said they've been told to halt the proceedings. This isn't true.

I was making a general point not something specific to this case.

But still if no talks will take place until legal action ends and that action will run longer than our current agreement what do you think will happen when we have nowhere to play?

 

[oldfiver]

Chris Anderson. Because he's german I think

Is he also not part American?