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[Grendel]

The notion that Alexander Johnson says it as it is has to be the funniest thing I've read on here for some time.

Johnson is the ultimate political game player. He is a natural europhile - a creature made for the Brussels capitalist experiment.

He has no scruples at all. He is pro establishment, anti social reform - almost a throw back to a pre Lloyd George era of politicians.

It's funny. Cameron who in the past hated Europe now towing the line after calling this stupid referendum, Johnson as pro Europe as they come knowing we want leave anyway and poor poor Jeremy Corbyn a vociferous hater of Europe now pretending he likes it just to save his job.

It says a lot about how socialist labour really is that so few are against.

Benn and Foot are turning in their graves.

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

Sounds like you are describing Cameron in most of that.

So didn't you see him on Sky News a few days ago or are you keeping very quiet about it?

This is a classic arguing technique when you run out of places to hide.

Firstly, where did I say Cameron was good? I said he was better than Johnson, true... but my cat would make a more sincere and honourable politician than Johnson.

Johnson has been found out time and time and time again. He gets away with it by playing the part of buffoon. The scary thing is, some people still buy into it.

 

[Monners]

I work in London, and there is a general feeling of relief that Boris is no longer Mayor. He is career politcian from an aristocratic background. A man of the people? - don't make me laugh!

I even heard him and Gove saying how the are goiing to save the NHS! - Give me strength.

The only good thing that may come from the EU vote is that the Tories may implode.

If we vote out then I may explode - it would be a disaster.

 

[Nick]

 

[Astute]

Try you with one bit of bullshit that Cameron has been coming out with. The economists, most of which get money from the EU, said in the worse case if we leave the EU that our countries turnover will go down by about 4k a household before recovering after a few years. Cameron tried to make out that we will all be worse off by 4k a household. When questioned on the matter he still didn't want to admit the truth.

 

[Astute]

If we vote out then I may explode - it would be a disaster.

So why would it be a disaster?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Try you with one bit of bullshit that Cameron has been coming out with.

So you accept Johnson does not say it as it is, and is not a man of the people?

 

[Astute]

So you accept Johnson does not say it as it is, and is not a man of the people?

I said the closest to the man in the street out of the Tories. I wouldn't want him running our country though. He would do a better job as a clown in a circus. But out of the present bunch I can't think of one that has all the credentials needed.

 

[Astute]

So you accept Johnson does not say it as it is, and is not a man of the people?

Much closer to the man in the street than Cameron.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

@ NW.... How come no reply to my post #138
www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6JsrxXhCEc

 

[lifeskyblue]

Firstly I I can't believe people are arguing re the relative bullshit qualities of Tweedledum and Tweedledumber. Both are career politicians with not an ounce of affinity with the ordinary people of this country. They haven't a clue what your, mine or anyone other than the establishment elites lives are like. They are in the Westminster 'gravy train' bubble and their sparring now is not really about the future of Europe but future power in the Tory party


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[Monners]

So why would it be a disaster?

If you work in the environmental sector as I do, then opting out of the EU Directives on air and water qualtiy for example would be a disaster - the UK has done quite well with these issues in the last few years - incredibly important for heatlth and well being, and knock on effects for the NHS and cost of living (we have a cheap and readily available water supply) etc...
Leaving would also erode the rights for equal pay and minimum wage etc..

Staying in offers the opportunity to push fo reforms - which are needed, and not just on immigartion (which is not the key issue - the economy is), but things like agricultural policy - again we want not maintain affrodable food I'm sure.

We would end up competing with Europe in a global market, rather than working with them.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

@ NW.... How come no reply to my post #138
www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6JsrxXhCEc

Because you're a mental incomprehensible irrelevance, who can't work out that a does not have to equal b.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Much closer to the man in the street than Cameron.

An this is very scary indeed, if you believe that.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Because you're a mental incomprehensible irrelevance, who can't work out that a does not have to equal b.

You're a c**t so I wouldn't brag about it if I were you mate! Or could it just be someone that in your eyes is thick has just shown you up?

 

[Monners]

There goes the chance for a reasoned debate! Close thread

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

Has there ever been a reasoned debate on here - or on any other part of the Internet for that matter????

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You're a c**t

Are you a girl I work with?

Anyway, I apologise. I shouldn't have used the word mental.

However, your post was a complete sidetracking irrelevance, that's why I ignored it!

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

No I'm not, and how is it irrelevant? I just proved to you and all the others that Cameron is a two faced twat! That Youtube video was from only 6 months ago, and if you like I'll put a video of Corbyn saying almost the exact same words... They're all a bunch of to**ers...btw I apologise too for what I said

 

[Deleted member 5849]

how is it irrelevant?

Because it seems to have gone completely over your head, that by using a comparison of Cameron to Johnson wrt how completely out of touch with the people, and how little Johnson is a man of the people, you appear to have missed that the comparison is demonstrating that even the worst of the worst being better than Johnson, shows how away with the fairies and devious, duplicious, and false Johnson is. This is not about whether Cameron is a wonderful principled human being or not.

If anything, you're agreeing with me!

 

[Astute]

If you work in the environmental sector as I do, then opting out of the EU Directives on air and water qualtiy for example would be a disaster - the UK has done quite well with these issues in the last few years - incredibly important for heatlth and well being, and knock on effects for the NHS and cost of living (we have a cheap and readily available water supply) etc...
Leaving would also erode the rights for equal pay and minimum wage etc..

Staying in offers the opportunity to push fo reforms - which are needed, and not just on immigartion (which is not the key issue - the economy is), but things like agricultural policy - again we want not maintain affrodable food I'm sure.

We would end up competing with Europe in a global market, rather than working with them.

Why do we have a trusted water supply and the rest of Europe doesn't?

Knock on effect of the NHS? What about it not being able to cope with the amount of people coming to live here. And we can't stop any of it because the EU says so.

Staying in gives us a chance of reforms? Yes just a chance. And if every other country agrees we could get reforms. But then lose them again if they decide so.

Equal pay and minimum wage? They would not dissappear if we left the EU. But wages have dropped in many trades because of over supply of workers.

Agricultural suppliers? We give about 350m a week to the EU and get about half of it back. A lot of this goes to farmers around the EU. A lot of this goes to farmers being paid not to grow anything. What could we do with all this extra money?

You missed out housing. Where are all of these newcomers supposed to live when we have so many homeless already? Doesn't this worry you about your kids and younger family members futures?

Competing with Europe? Switzerland are not part of the EU. But they export more to it than we do. We import much more from the EU than export to them. Would they want to make things difficult for us? Germany certainly wouldn't. And they seem to have the biggest say in things.

Are you happy being run by people not elected in by anyone?

Only 6% of our companies sell to the EU. But they make the rules up for 100% of them.

Whilst in the EU we are not allowed to have trade deals with countries outside the EU.

I could go on all day. The EU needs us a lot more than we need them.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

@ nomark...... www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5ufzsKT_zA

 

[skybluetony176]

So four judges have ruled that there is no case to answer to. How many more jusdges need to say that there is no case to answer before people expect SISU to drop the legal challange? Is there a difinitive amount?

Also those that think that they should carry on, in the unlikely event that something gets overturned what are CCFC going to gain from it?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Because it seems to have gone completely over your head, that by using a comparison of Cameron to Johnson wrt how completely out of touch with the people, and how little Johnson is a man of the people, you appear to have missed that the comparison is demonstrating that even the worst of the worst being better than Johnson, shows how away with the fairies and devious, duplicious, and false Johnson is. This is not about whether Cameron is a wonderful principled human being or not.

If anything, you're agreeing with me!

Far from it NW. I want out of the EU, it happens that so does Boris, and so did Cameron, and Corbyn..... Wonder why both of those twats changed their minds hmmm, let me see now, did someone mention troughs, snouts, pigs, and Ultimate power somewhere?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

So four judges have ruled that there is no case to answer to. How many more jusdges need to say that there is no case to answer before people expect SISU to drop the legal challange? Is there a difinitive amount?

Also those that think that they should carry on, in the unlikely event that something gets overturned what are CCFC going to gain from it?

Stop panicking mate, CCFC will get, er, erm, 'ang on....

 

[Deleted member 5849]

it happens that so does Boris

...today.

 

[Astute]

Far from it NW. I want out of the EU, it happens that so does Boris, and so did Cameron, and Corbyn..... Wonder why both of those twats changed their minds hmmm, let me see now, did someone mention troughs, snouts, pigs, and Ultimate power somewhere?

Maybe Cameron wants to join the rule makers of the EU when he is finished as PM. Then he won't need any more money given to him from his parents tax exile fund.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Switzerland... the second richest country in the world seem to be doing alright, considering they're not in the EU... Just putting it out there

 

[Nick]

So four judges have ruled that there is no case to answer to. How many more jusdges need to say that there is no case to answer before people expect SISU to drop the legal challange? Is there a difinitive amount?

Also those that think that they should carry on, in the unlikely event that something gets overturned what are CCFC going to gain from it?

Isn't the poll whether Wasps should be able to decide if somebody else carries on legal action? It isn't saying the legal action is correct or not.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

...today.

But he's actually running with this one, unlike Cameron and Corbyn that have changed their minds very drastically over the last 6 months eh"

 

[armybike]

Why do we have a trusted water supply and the rest of Europe doesn't?

Knock on effect of the NHS? What about it not being able to cope with the amount of people coming to live here. And we can't stop any of it because the EU says so.

Staying in gives us a chance of reforms? Yes just a chance. And if every other country agrees we could get reforms. But then lose them again if they decide so.

Equal pay and minimum wage? They would not dissappear if we left the EU. But wages have dropped in many trades because of over supply of workers.

Agricultural suppliers? We give about 350m a week to the EU and get about half of it back. A lot of this goes to farmers around the EU. A lot of this goes to farmers being paid not to grow anything. What could we do with all this extra money?

You missed out housing. Where are all of these newcomers supposed to live when we have so many homeless already? Doesn't this worry you about your kids and younger family members futures?

Competing with Europe? Switzerland are not part of the EU. But they export more to it than we do. We import much more from the EU than export to them. Would they want to make things difficult for us? Germany certainly wouldn't. And they seem to have the biggest say in things.

Are you happy being run by people not elected in by anyone?

Only 6% of our companies sell to the EU. But they make the rules up for 100% of them.

Whilst in the EU we are not allowed to have trade deals with countries outside the EU.

I could go on all day. The EU needs us a lot more than we need them.

You're voting Remain right...........

 

[Astute]

You're voting Remain right...........

Remain out of the EU yes

 

[SkyBlueZack]

People are aware that most of Britains problems stems from mis management of the country rather than being part of the EU? People coming here to claim benefits is no different to British people claiming benefits, it's how the system is set up. The NHS being in crisis has nothing to do with the fact no attention has been paid to ever increasing numbers of managers and dwindling numbers of nurses. How many people will want to work for the NHS after the attack on junior doctors? What did that have to do with being part of the EU? Government departments paying out varying amounts for office equipment and supplies etc. Not using the buying power as a whole government to get cheap deals and save money? Is that because we're part of the EU? People live longer, in part to the NHS. This means pensions have to be paid for longer. Did people not see that coming? Or was that because we were in the EU?

I'm not in or out. Don't think it makes too much difference. What would make a difference is politicians who believe in equality and a brighter future for everyone. That will not happen whether we are in the EU or out. There has been a distinct lack of future planning surrounding education, housing, health and so on. Now is that because we are part of the EU? Or because politicans only care about staying in power and the short term?

 

[Nick]

You're voting Remain right...........

Remain Vincelot for me.

 

[Astute]

People are aware that most of Britains problems stems from mis management of the country rather than being part of the EU? People coming here to claim benefits is no different to British people claiming benefits, it's how the system is set up. The NHS being in crisis has nothing to do with the fact no attention has been paid to ever increasing numbers of managers and dwindling numbers of nurses. How many people will want to work for the NHS after the attack on junior doctors? What did that have to do with being part of the EU? Government departments paying out varying amounts for office equipment and supplies etc. Not using the buying power as a whole government to get cheap deals and save money? Is that because we're part of the EU? People live longer, in part to the NHS. This means pensions have to be paid for longer. Did people not see that coming? Or was that because we were in the EU?

I'm not in or out. Don't think it makes too much difference. What would make a difference is politicians who believe in equality and a brighter future for everyone. That will not happen whether we are in the EU or out. There has been a distinct lack of future planning surrounding education, housing, health and so on. Now is that because we are part of the EU? Or because politicans only care about staying in power and the short term?

But you missed out that the EU makes our laws and rules. We have to keep to them even if they have a detrimental effect on us. We can't even decide what we can or can't charge VAT on.

Future planning on education, housing and health as you say? How can we plan when we can't keep up with the amount of people coming into the country? And more countries are joining all the time. And they are all allowed to come and live here if we stay in. I can't blame them. I would want to live here if I was living in most countries in the EU. But how long can it continue?