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[armybike]

i agree with you mate but when your backs against the wall. And you have no were to run you fight take a beating sometimes but at least you took someone with you, what makes me more mad the moment wasp signed deal for richo the Higgs deal was on table piss take.

The way this has all panned out is utter shite and it's been nothing more than a puffing out chests and personality contest.

All at the detriment of CCFC.

I just think (only my opinion) that this is the wrong route. If you've got a jar of Wasps stuck to your arse, you don't beat it with a stick!

Also can't see why CWR built it up as they did. Even Phil Upton said they've been making mention of a big CCFC announcement (I may have the terminology slightly incorrect) for a few hours and then Anderson popped up going over the situation we all know and saying Wasps should pause/build elsewhere.

I honestly thought it was going to be a positive announcement, such as negotiations re Ricoh being back on or terms re access for the Academy to the proposed development at Higgs, the way it had been built up

Another concern of mine is now Kieran Crowley has left, who's in charge of Communications. I just hope Les Reid isn't being free reign to influence press releases etc.

I'm not trying to build up a rumour/conspiracy theory but the terminology being used has definitely shifted over the last few weeks and for me (again just my take on it) has more than a tinge of Reid's style about it.

 

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[stupot07]

http://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/article/alan-higgs-centre-statement-3137431.aspx

Good statement

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[wingy]

How long is it since we learned that Wasps had purchased the Severn Treat land adjacent to the Higgs Centre 6-9 months?
I think it's naïve to conclude that we've somehow been caught with our pants down suddenly.

 

[skybluedan]

Basically they are screwed and have now come to the conclusion that begging and playing on the hearts and minds of fans on the radio is the only option. They are now the victims, the ones crying and pressured by a timeline to invest in a build or a redevelopment. This game they have played has truly backfired, nobody who can alter the direction that they are on is interested or believe's they are serious about anything. In my opinion the only victim in this is the club its fans and the city, they have played with the devil and are getting seriously burnt and would do all a favour by walking away.

This hurts the club and with these in control the hurt will only continue, you cant go round throwing punches, taking your ball home because you lose, then wonder why no one wants to play with you. Sisu are no victim, they are using what fans have closest to their heart to push for change and to have it the way they want it, if this was really what they wanted NTFC would of been never on the table as an option, they did not care then and they do not care now.

CA is another KD, TF, Onye and the plastic yank, all talk and no bollocks, all brain and no common sense, why would anyone deal with these on past history. Even at the Higgs left them with a bill, these are the instigator's of their own downfall, they have brought the club to its knee's where desperate plea's is the only option.

I am angry at the situation the club is in, i am frustrated with all parties involved but i'm most mad with the Tim Fishers of this world that have lied, misdirected and moved the club without any thought of the future. Now the future is upon us and Sisu have sown the seed that will see the end of them as owners or our club or the club itself.

Well done TF and the other clowns in this mess, sad and depressing is now my feelings, Sisu all of a sudden care about he academy, please CA, TF and JS i beg you, go back to non sport interests and leave something of the mess you have continued to escalate. Or at least stop going to court as you scare nobody or hold any card in the game you are playing.

Spot on mate, and I find wanking helps

 

[armybike]

It's not really that extreme a suggestion. If they had 17 possible sites for their facility is it really necessary to move to Higgs and force our academy out?

It does if the other sites don't have the same space/infrastructure.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Look, cast your mind back. When we returned to the Ricoh, we that's our football club were asked for and gave assurances that we would be building a new facility and I am sure we were given a period of time to deliver, which is why we had 2+2 years, the FL will expect more than mere sound bites.

Come on mate, we all know the FL have no bollocks. Its looking increasingly unlikely that in two years we will have nowhere to play, even if concrete stadium plans were put in place tomorrow a new stadium wouldn't be ready. The FL would have no say, either they would have to allow it or kick us out of the football league

 

[stupot07]

This all pisses me off immensely - all of them playing games with our club because they think their dick is bigger than the other guys.

Question though. If the swimming pool was not being built and the indoor pitch remained would we be able to share the site with Wasps turning the area in to a Centre of sporting excellence in Coventry, with no threat to Cat 2 status? If so who should we be directing our anger at?

I'm not sure with wasp build, building on the main academy pitch, and taking sole use of 2 of the remaining 4 pitches, and sole use for half the time of the third. That leaves 1 pitch and half use of another. Have you ever been down on a Saturday when the academy is playing?

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[stupot07]

How long is it since we learned that Wasps had purchased the Severn Treat land adjacent to the Higgs Centre 6-9 months?
I think it's naïve to conclude that we've somehow been caught with our pants down suddenly.

Did they definitely buy it? The land they building on is the higgs land?

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[stupot07]

I suspect they have looked at the plans and know full well they have no chance of keeping cat 2 status if the wasps build goes ahead.

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[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Good statement

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I agree with the sentiment but looking at the bigger picture I don't think its a particularly clever move. I'd rather they left this sort of stuff to the fans tbh

 

[skybluetony176]

How long is it since we learned that Wasps had purchased the Severn Treat land adjacent to the Higgs Centre 6-9 months?
I think it's naïve to conclude that we've somehow been caught with our pants down suddenly.

Yep. It's a good statement but it smacks of our owners locking the gate after the horse has bolted so they can play the victim. Again. Plus yet again some parts turn a blind eye to what our chairman has been spouting for the last 3 years.

 

[Senior Vick from Alicante]

Looks like the end game is coming quicker for us and Sisu than we thought. This looks like check mate to Wasps and their council buddies, the statement although factually correct is a cry for help. Fishers bluff about back up options of land is the only option for Sisu you would think from this statement. It's time for Sisu to put up or fuck off, their having their bluff called by all parties, it's designed imo to drive them to either the wall or back to the contract talks with Wasps.

 

[rupert_bear]

Listening to Chris Anderson I get the distinct feeling he is seriously out of his depth. We have 12 months to sort out the academy which should be shelved until our ground issue is sorted, that is paramount yet he is bleating about the academy. Im my opinion solve the ground issue the academy will follow.

 

[Samo]

''We ask Wasps to reconsider the planning application as a sign of goodwill and good neighborly intentions.''

Interesting line, what might SISU offer in return?

 

[skybluetony176]

''We ask Wasps to reconsider the planning application as a sign of goodwill and good neighborly intentions.''

Interesting line, what might SISU offer in return?

Was thinking that myself. The obvious one being dropping the legal action. Which let's face it would be no great loss to CCFC win, draw or lose.

 

[hill83]

''We ask Wasps to reconsider the planning application as a sign of goodwill and good neighborly intentions.''

Interesting line, what might SISU offer in return?

Packet of bourbons and a reach around

 

[wingy]

''We ask Wasps to reconsider the planning application as a sign of goodwill and good neighborly intentions.''

Interesting line, what might SISU offer in return?

Litigation?

 

[Samo]

Packet of bourbons and a reach around

Not keen on bourbons but as were being fucked anyway the courtesy of a reach around would be nice.

 

[italiahorse]

I suspect they have looked at the plans and know full well they have no chance of keeping cat 2 status if the wasps build goes ahead.

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Its not the Wasps plans, its the swimming pool plan that kills the academy.
I however think there is room for both at the centre with a little bit of extra planning.
Can't see why Wasps can't build the other end of the complex.
I think Sisu have upset too many organisations that have influence on all aspects of this project.

 

[rupert_bear]

Looks like the end game is coming quicker for us and Sisu than we thought. This looks like check mate to Wasps and their council buddies, the statement although factually correct is a cry for help. Fishers bluff about back up options of land is the only option for Sisu you would think from this statement. It's time for Sisu to put up or fuck off, their having their bluff called by all parties, it's designed imo to drive them to either the wall or back to the contract talks with Wasps.

Agree senior vic looks to me very much if sisu are being painted into a corner and I doubt if whoever is behind this will let go of the jugular, neither should they.

 

[stupot07]

''We ask Wasps to reconsider the planning application as a sign of goodwill and good neighborly intentions.''

Interesting line, what might SISU offer in return?

Probably Ryton

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[stupot07]

Its not the Wasps plans, its the swimming pool plan that kills the academy.
I however think there is room for both at the centre with a little bit of extra planning.
Can't see why Wasps can't build the other end of the complex.
I think Sisu have upset too many organisations that have influence on all aspects of this project.

No both plans kill it. Out of the remaining 4 grass pitches wasps have exclusive use of 2 of them, and another 1 for half the week. Have you ever been down on a Saturday when the academy and development sides are playing? Pretty much every pitch including the indoor is being used

There isn't enough room for wasps and a cat 2 academy, but you are obviously an expert on EPPP and the intricacies of a cat 2 academy audit. CA should draft you in a Stevens replacement...

People might feel embarraed, people night thinks its futile, but every Coventry fan should be right behind the sentiment, not you though


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[rupert_bear]

Come on mate, we all know the FL have no bollocks. Its looking increasingly unlikely that in two years we will have nowhere to play, even if concrete stadium plans were put in place tomorrow a new stadium wouldn't be ready. The FL would have no say, either they would have to allow it or kick us out of the football league

They may have had no bollox when the Northampton issue was at its height but I suspect this time they hold the cards and will act accordingly maybe with vengeance, seems to me which ever way we look our beloved owners are up against it, I am just hoping for a happy ending eventually.

 

[bradwellskyblues]

it seems to me that wasps have not yet bought the severn trent land may well have an agreement subject to planning permission.
I am amazed how hostile some on twitter and here are over this,the club must defend itself the very future of the academy is at stake.

 

[Otis]

They may have had no bollox when the Northampton issue was at its height but I suspect this time they hold the cards and will act accordingly maybe with vengeance, seems to me which ever way we look our beloved owners are up against it, I am just hoping for a happy ending eventually.

I really cannot see us going back to Northampton. Can't see it being allowed to happen and am certain it would be just a big a 'success' as last time.

Pretty certain that would be the death knell for thousands of City supporters and they would be finished with the club.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

They may have had no bollox when the Northampton issue was at its height but I suspect this time they hold the cards and will act accordingly maybe with vengeance, seems to me which ever way we look our beloved owners are up against it, I am just hoping for a happy ending eventually.

Looks like a stalemate from where I'm standing. I can't see SISU dropping legal action for anything or anyone be that the football league, wasps or council who are requesting it is dropped. In return everyone in Coventry refuses to negotiate with the football club whilst legal action is ongoing, despite the fact the people at football club seemingly have no control or say in the legal action. Looks to be only heading one way at the moment.

 

[ccfcway]

its a real shame as on the face of it, without the recent history, the club statement reads very well.

I cant help have a on my face when I read they are asking for wasps to be good neighbours and are worried about the netball pitch

 

[ccfcway]

Building a new stadium, ready in 3 weeks. Had to beat ccfcway!

3 years now

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I really cannot see us going back to Northampton. Can't see it being allowed to happen and am certain it would be just a big a 'success' as last time.

Pretty certain that would be the death knell for thousands of City supporters and they would be finished with the club.

We may genuinely have no choice this time, at the moment pretty much everyone is refusing to negotiate whilst legal action is ongoing. Legal action which the club have no say in.

There are three outcomes here that I can see
1. SISU drop legal action because of the damage it is doing to the club (Extremely unlikely) and we try and resume negotiations
2. Wasps and CCC drop there stance of refusing to negotiate whilst legal action is ongoing (more plausible than 1 but still unlikely)
3. Another disaster and we are forced to play outside Coventry

 

[Nick]

I still find it more sad that deep down some people's only feeling will be of smugness because they see it as sisu losing and wasps winning.

Imagine a random rugby team taking over millwall or Leeds academy.

We all need to do something, if the red carpet wasn't rolled out for wasps I doubt it would ever have happened.

This is where the club need to be transparent and open with the fans

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I don't understand where this 'football league will force us to stay at Ricoh' comes from.

Let's look at the narrative presented.

It's leaked that the club have been drawing up proposals for a move to the Butts. The Football League have been consulted on this;

It's leaked that CCC want to stop football being played at the Butts;

Announcements are made that talks over staying at the Ricoh are put on hold by Wasps.

Both Wasps and CCC suggest that talks over both Ricoh and Butts are on hold unless legal action (which follows a process of law set out by our government) is stopped.

Now... forget about whether there are other narratives, forget about who you feel is at fault. If *you* were the Football league and were presented with *this* narrative, how could you reasonably say there wasn't enough to suggest the club was trying to stay in Coventry, but was meeting obstacles beyond its control?

(Even more so, if you consider the fact that the Football League have been kept informed by the club, before any of this breaks)

 

[Nick]

I don't understand where this 'football league will force us to stay at Ricoh' comes from.

Let's look at the narrative presented.

It's leaked that the club have been drawing up proposals for a move to the Butts. The Football League have been consulted on this;

It's leaked that CCC want to stop football being played at the Butts;

Announcements are made that talks over staying at the Ricoh are put on hold by Wasps.

Both Wasps and CCC suggest that talks over both Ricoh and Butts are on hold unless legal action (which follows a process of law set out by our government) is stopped.

Now... forget about whether there are other narratives, forget about who you feel is at fault. If *you* were the Football league and were presented with *this* narrative, how could you reasonably say there wasn't enough to suggest the club was trying to stay in Coventry, but was meeting obstacles beyond its control?

(Even more so, if you consider the fact that the Football League have been kept informed by the club, before any of this breaks)

Exactly!! They would probably see that they don't have a choice, which we don't really.

 

[Grendel]

I really cannot see us going back to Northampton. Can't see it being allowed to happen and am certain it would be just a big a 'success' as last time.

Pretty certain that would be the death knell for thousands of City supporters and they would be finished with the club.

The football league would have to allow it. I would get a season ticket and I've spoken to 3 others who'd do the same

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Exactly!!

And I hasten to add, I am by no means saying that is the one and only narrative!

I am, however, saying that the Football League cannot reasonably be expected to sit and make a judgement *against* its football club, and *for* a Rugby Union club.

Think about the consequences for *that* to the setup as it exists.

 

[Nick]

I really cannot see us going back to Northampton. Can't see it being allowed to happen and am certain it would be just a big a 'success' as last time.

Pretty certain that would be the death knell for thousands of City supporters and they would be finished with the club.

I think there would be little doubt of us being forced out, still people can be angry with sisu and support wasps instead.

It's there in black and white the council were trying to block a "move" at the only other viable place in the city.

Instead, people came on here preaching about how the wasps move was good.