Wasps reject proposal to withdraw application (3 Viewers)

[stupot07]

It's a training facility. They looked at 17 sites, why pick the Higgs? You are a fucking moron!

We know the answer - they haven't had to buy any land, just pay csf peppercorn rent and the pitches are already in place.

They should really be pressed on this.

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[Brylowes]

This wouldn't happen if it was in Sheffield, Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle or Glasgow. Fans would rightly be up in arms and the local council would hopefully be trying to protect the indigenous sporting team. But no, not in Coventry. Here we'll sit back and say "I know the Academy will be lost and the club is being pushed out by a team who've been here for 18 months, but it is the Clubs fault". Fucking pathetic.

Now's the time to stick up for the football team.

Completely agree torch, trouble is as fans all our protests, campaigns and ideas
to move forward are utterly futile if our owners haven't really got there heart in it.
Unfortunately, I for one am not convinced that they have .

 

[chiefdave]

The point of having a meeting surely is to find out exactly what the acedemy requirements are and whether a work-around can be found to satisfy them. Makes absolute sense.

What's the point of having a meeting to be told you can use 1 pitch after midnight on a Wednesday? Wasps and CSF must know what can be offered, let the club know and take it from there.

 

[Grendel]

Its not the Wasps building the pool, its nothing to do with them.

Seem to be pretty happy about it though;

http://www.wasps.co.uk/news/article...ent-for-world-class-training-base-in-coventry

 

[SkyBlueScottie]

If anybody thinks that CCFC are wanted at the Higgs centre, then take a look here...
http://engagecoventry.com/partnerships-delivery/coventry-a-city-of-rugby

 

[Chipfat]

No its people who roll over and let Wasps do whatever they like that will finish the club.

Its very simple, Wasps and CSF know what they will or will not offer the club. The club don't know. Simply put that in writing and we all know where we stand.

What's the point of having meetings and talks to then find out actually we can't stay. They've been having talks for months about staying and then had the rug pulled out from under them. Same at the Ricoh, been having talks and now Wasps have put a stop to them.

Put it in writing and you remove any doubt or any issues down the line with 'we were told this'.

Its not people are rolling over for Wasp's, its that most see no matter which way you look at this Wasps are in no hurry to talk, deal or even give Sisu the time of day and this is because they don't have too. We have come down to where a bigger plan and a bigger goal is being set by CCC and Wasps. Is this fair, its up to the individual to decide, but what is fact is Wasp's have put themselves in a position where they don't need Sisu.

Sending a reply to a phone call by text should show you the level of respect they have for Sisu, but the fact CA wants it in writing also shows you Sisu don't feel desperate enough to give up the appeal to get round a table. You can talk about letters, texts, phone calls all we want the facts are very clear, the bigger question is why will Sisu not give up the appeal? Is it that they also know something is going on and do not want themselves to be left exposed in anyway.

 

[SkyBlueScottie]

Further evidence...
Coventry to be in a league of its own with pioneering new rugby league programme


Coventry will soon be in a league of its own after receiving a £100,000 boost to fund a pioneering new rugby league project in the city.

Coventry Bears, based at Butts Park Arena, has been granted £99,452 by Sport England to launch Bears 5’s – a new community programme which aims to develop the game at every level by establishing five-a-side rugby league teams across the city.

The programme, which is unique to the city and the first project as part of Coventry’s seven- year strategy to become a City of Rugby, has been crafted with the aim of creating a gateway for young people who do not regularly participate in sport to experience the game and take it further.

The club’s league one team will be aiming to reach and engage with around 2,000 people as they work with local schools, youth groups and communities to deliver and coach sessions for children aged from 14 years, starting with touch rugby league for those who have never played, before leading onto full contact.

As well as targeting young people, Bears 5’s is also hoping to attract older players in the community through Bears Workplace five-a-side – aimed at over 18s looking for a social summer sport – which the club will be looking to partner with local businesses to develop.

Working in partnership with Coventry Sports Network, the club has identified three key focus areas and venues in Coventry, based on demographics, where the programme will be delivered as part of plans to establish each area as a hub of activity for rugby league.


Alan Robinson, managing director of Coventry Bears, said:

The funding boost is a landmark achievement for the club which demonstrates the demand for the game in the city.

The Bears 5’s programme will not just encourage more people to get active and participate in the game but will also establish for the first time a number of rugby league hubs in the city

Bears players are heavily involved in the programme and will be leading the delivery in the community giving participants the confidence to develop in the sport and have positive role models as their coaches.

This approach, combined with the accessibility of five-a-side teams which only require a small group of friends to play, we hope will lead to the creation of satellite rugby league clubs and junior teams all bringing together the city under the Coventry Bears umbrella.
The grant, which was secured by Coventry Sports Network and hosted by Coventry City Council as part of Sport England’s target to increase participation and develop the game among those aged 14 years plus, is one of just five to be awarded to local communities across the country.

The project is the first to get underway as part of of City of Rugby, an ambitious initiative which aims to establish Coventry as a leading city in the world for every level of the game by 2023 – rugby’s 200th anniversary.

Cllr Abdul Khan, Coventry City Council deputy leader, said:

Coventry is the only city in the Midlands to have a professional rugby league team and it is important we capitalise upon this unique position for the development of the game in the city.

This project, in line with the recently launched City of Rugby initiative and our sports strategy, will certainly develop and enhance the prestigious reputation the city holds for the sport.
Jo Drapier, community sport relationship manager at Sport England, said:

The opportunity to try a new sport for the first time is often all a person needs to catch the sporting bug.

The rugby league project in Coventry is a great way for the people of Coventry to try and engage with rugby league and have a quality sporting experience that will encourage them to stay involved.
The Bears 5’s programme follows the announcement of two mouth-watering Rugby League Internationals that will be staged at the Ricoh Arena on November 5 this year, the 4 Nations double-header will see England taking on Scotland at 5.30pm, followed by a repeat of the 2014 final when Australia face New Zealand at 8pm.

If you would like to find out more about the project or get involved please email[email protected]or visit www.cityofrugby.org.

Tickets for the 4 Nations are on sale from 22 April and start from £20. To purchase, visitwww.ricoharena.com.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

If anybody thinks that CCFC are wanted at the Higgs centre, then take a look here...
http://engagecoventry.com/partnerships-delivery/coventry-a-city-of-rugby

Funny how on that link, there is a heading for Wasps and premiership rugby but no mention of CRFC and their history?

 

[italiahorse]

What's the point of having a meeting to be told you can use 1 pitch after midnight on a Wednesday? Wasps and CSF must know what can be offered, let the club know and take it from there.

I think we should roll over and die.
Sisu are obviously thinking along the same defeatist lines so lets just moan and groan and pretend nothing can go wrong and do absolutely nothing.

 

[SkyBlueScottie]

The support of the Millerchip Family Fund has enabled Coventry Sports Foundation to create such a wide-ranging series of objectives for the Engage! project.

In order to achieve its objectives, Engage! hopes to establish working partnerships with many organisations. Although not exhaustive, the following list recognises many of the partners that Engage! will seek to work with:

What was the guys name who owns the lease for BPA, and we wonder why the council thought they could get away with adding the covenant about professional football being played there...

 

[SkyBlueZack]

I think we should roll over and die.
Sisu are obviously thinking along the same defeatist lines so lets just moan and groan and pretend nothing can go wrong and do absolutely nothing.

I have a better idea, why don't we all go out and buy Wasps season tickets and merchandise. Then brag about it to other CCFC fans. That'll show em, eh?

 

[chiefdave]

I think we should roll over and die.
Sisu are obviously thinking along the same defeatist lines so lets just moan and groan and pretend nothing can go wrong and do absolutely nothing.

Why do you only ever give the option of do exactly what Wasps want or completely give up?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Its not people are rolling over for Wasp's, its that most see no matter which way you look at this Wasps are in no hurry to talk, deal or even give Sisu the time of day and this is because they don't have too. We have come down to where a bigger plan and a bigger goal is being set by CCC and Wasps. Is this fair, its up to the individual to decide, but what is fact is Wasp's have put themselves in a position where they don't need Sisu.

Sending a reply to a phone call by text should show you the level of respect they have for Sisu, but the fact CA wants it in writing also shows you Sisu don't feel desperate enough to give up the appeal to get round a table. You can talk about letters, texts, phone calls all we want the facts are very clear, the bigger question is why will Sisu not give up the appeal? Is it that they also know something is going on and do not want themselves to be left exposed in anyway.

It isn't SISU. It is Coventry City Football Club and their Chief Executive. He's employed by CCFC.

 

[Ian1779]

I think we should roll over and die.
Sisu are obviously thinking along the same defeatist lines so lets just moan and groan and pretend nothing can go wrong and do absolutely nothing.

It's you that is basically saying that CCFC should become Wasps' bitch.

Irrespective of all of this - I predict that the deal to stay at Ricoh will never be agreed, even if SISU dropped all court cases tomorrow.

We will be out on our ear in 2 years regardless, by which point they will have already changed the seats. And yet some people will still find excuses for the franchise.

 

[italiahorse]

I have a better idea, why don't we all go out and buy Wasps season tickets and merchandise. Then brag about it to other CCFC fans. That'll show em, eh?

Who is bragging ?
Do you just make crap up ?

For the record I have never bought any Wasps merchandise ..................................... it was a Xmas present

 

[SkyBlueZack]

Who is bragging ?
Do you just make crap up ?

For the record I have never bought any Wasps merchandise ..................................... it was a Xmas present

So you have never come on here bragging about buying your family wasps merchandise?

 

[SkyBlueScottie]

I wonder if this "engage" programme have got in touch with SBITC, if not why not. They are currently helping raise sports provisions in our school, enahncing the quality of education in our schools, provide after school activities, helping adults gets fit, providing activities to the wider range and making sport more inclusive...

 

[SkyBlueZack]

It's you that is basically saying that CCFC should become Wasps' bitch.

Irrespective of all of this - I predict that the deal to stay at Ricoh will never be agreed, even if SISU dropped all court cases tomorrow.

We will be out on our ear in 2 years regardless, by which point they will have already changed the seats. And yet some people will still find excuses for the franchise.

Namely SISU.

 

[italiahorse]

It's you that is basically saying that CCFC should become Wasps' bitch.

Irrespective of all of this - I predict that the deal to stay at Ricoh will never be agreed, even if SISU dropped all court cases tomorrow.

We will be out on our ear in 2 years regardless, by which point they will have already changed the seats. And yet some people will still find excuses for the franchise.

This is exactly my point. You are another victim.
You dream stuff up that has not happened and then get depressed as if it has.
I not making excuses for Wasps if you read what I have said I'm telling you what I think their plan is.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

I wonder if this "engage" programme have got in touch with SBITC, if not why not. They are currently helping raise sports provisions in our school, enahncing the quality of education in our schools, provide after school activities, helping adults gets fit, providing activities to the wider range and making sport more inclusive...

Doesn't fit with their agenda. The same as promoting CRFC doesn't fit with the agenda. It's all about Wasps and vindicating the councils decision.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

This is exactly my point. You are another victim.
You dream stuff up that has not happened and then get depressed as if it has.
I not making excuses for Wasps if you read what I have said I'm telling you what I think their plan is.

Think? The other day you made it out as fact! Now who's making stuff up?

 

[ashbyjan]

I would wasps and CSF want to compromise on accessing what will be their facilities? Do you think wasps will move their training times to enable the academy to access the facilities? Or will the compromise be purely on ccfc's part? Again, this is down to the FAs decision of whether it will meet the audit requirements for a cat 2 status or not.

Get wasps and CSF to put in writing what they can offer and put it in the public domain.

I can't believe the trust are being spineless on this.

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Stu - just to make clear I am not on Trust board anymore so anything I say is on my own behalf and has nothing to do with the Trust. But to answer your questions as I see it: Why would Wasps and CSF compromise? I guess because they can see that the Higgs should be a centre for sporting excellence not just for swimming and rugby. I doubt they are simply doing it out of the goodness of their hearts - but it takes all sides to compromise to make any deal work. The people who know best what criteria would satisfy the FA are surely CCFC not Wasps so they should be saying to Wasps and CSF what they need and then working with them to see how this can be accomodated. This is not a situation about winners and losers and who has the biggest dick its about finding a workable solution in a difficult situation. In an ideal situation CCFC would have bought the Ricoh, signed Messi and even owned their own academy premises but none of those have happened and we are where we are and whilst we might want to bluff and bluster and shake fists it is only pragmatism, negotiation and maybe even thinking laterally that will keep our vital academy going.

 

[dongonzalos]

All the way the way through this
The council previously and now Wasps have said they won't do negotiations on long term deals whilst the legal action is in play.

Steve were you able to ask the club if SISU were prepared to sacrifice their legal action if they can to the point of signing up long term for both academy and Ricoh?

 

[rupert_bear]

The trust need to fight this, this is my annoyance. They need to unite with the club. They need to honour the history and tradition the club gives to the city. Not the impartial line. Not the it's of SISU's making line. The line should be this is our club, we care and we will fight you every step of they way.

Are you a trust member ?

Why is anyone shocked or blaming Wasps for sticking to the plan, i called it last night. Wasps have a clear agenda and direction, along with the CCC for the future of both parties they are making it so hard for Sisu to carry on, dropping appeals/Court Cases is the only option, other than leaving the club Sisu have. And that is something everyone can agree on even if you hate the thought that is the only card left to play for Sisu.

I could not give a shit about he said, she said, all parties are playing a game and again i want to talk line from both parties is nonsense, they are professional people who are advised by the best lawyers available to them. So why is they a hurdle a stalemate, its not because they won't to or can't, the main reason is Sisu have not yet admitted they have no other options and Wasps will benefit while Sisu have this train of thought and mindset. Nobody can say Wasp didn't ask, no one can say Sisu are wrong for wanting it in writing, but again it comes back to facts Wasps don't need talks to carry on with all that they have planned, Sisu do need talks to carry on running the club, that is a difference in a statement.

Make your mind up time CA , TF and JS drop court, get round a table and show them your proposal, or Build a new Stadium outside the city and fans will make a decision on if they will come. Its very hard for Sisu to have any movement now, they are in a game with someone who doesn't need them, doesn't want them and will make it very hard for them to survive. In my opinion something bigger is going on behind the smoke and mirrors, someone is being lined up for a possible takeover of the club and these tit for tat exchanges are just skirmishes awaiting the final battle. Sisu know by dropping the court case they have lost any control they have, they also know it leaves them very much open to a hostile takeover, which in reality is being plated out now.

Well said sir, nail right on the head. When we moved back to the Ricoh I asked a question and was told to be patient, very patient. I think we are at a critical stage of a plan so let's be patient, ball is in the sisu court and I think now this will start costing them money if they want a fight as I said the other day someone has someone by the fanny hairs and ain't going to let go.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

Stu - just to make clear I am not on Trust board anymore so anything I say is on my own behalf and has nothing to do with the Trust. But to answer your questions as I see it: Why would Wasps and CSF compromise? I guess because they can see that the Higgs should be a centre for sporting excellence not just for swimming and rugby. I doubt they are simply doing it out of the goodness of their hearts - but it takes all sides to compromise to make any deal work. The people who know best what criteria would satisfy the FA are surely CCFC not Wasps so they should be saying to Wasps and CSF what they need and then working with them to see how this can be accomodated. This is not a situation about winners and losers and who has the biggest dick its about finding a workable solution in a difficult situation. In an ideal situation CCFC would have bought the Ricoh, signed Messi and even owned their own academy premises but none of those have happened and we are where we are and whilst we might want to bluff and bluster and shake fists it is only pragmatism, negotiation and maybe even thinking laterally that will keep our vital academy going.

Sporting excellence? By removing the academy and netball pitches to accomodate a London rugby team and a loss making swimming pool? Way to go!

 

[rupert_bear]

If anybody thinks that CCFC are wanted at the Higgs centre, then take a look here...
http://engagecoventry.com/partnerships-delivery/coventry-a-city-of-rugby

We don't need to be at the Higgs centre there's land all over the place to build a training centre suitable for class 1 or 2 Acadamy centre should we ever get proper people running our football club that might happen

 

[SkyBlueZack]

Are you a trust member ?

I did sign up at one point yeah, before all the Northampton and Ricoh fiasco. You see I believe in the fans having a voice and being unified. Believe in fighting anything that threatens my club, be it SISU or Wasps.Saying that, it would now appear to be the worst pound I've ever spent.

 

[torchomatic]

We don't need to be at the Higgs centre there's land all over the place to build a training centre suitable for class 1 or 2 Acadamy centre should we ever get proper people running our football club that might happen

What comment on the council who block CCFC at every opportunity? Fingers in ears?

 

[chiefdave]

All the way the way through this
The council previously and now Wasps have said they won't do negotiations on long term deals whilst the legal action is in play.

No they haven't. We were in talks about staying at the Ricoh and staying at the Higgs while legal action was going on.

 

[torchomatic]

Are you a trust member ?

I am. Never heard a fucking word from them.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

We don't need to be at the Higgs centre there's land all over the place to build a training centre suitable for class 1 or 2 Acadamy centre should we ever get proper people running our football club that might happen

Wasps don't seem to agree. They looked at 17 sites and none were suitable but the Higgs. Still let's ignore that and just blame SISU.

 

[chiefdave]

We don't need to be at the Higgs centre there's land all over the place to build a training centre suitable for class 1 or 2 Acadamy centre should we ever get proper people running our football club that might happen

That's great news, means Wasps have no need to be at the Higgs and can build elsewhere, same for the swimming pool. Makes more sense as you wouldn't be knocking one thing down to replace it and then having to build a replacement for the old building elsewhere.

Would also mean sports provision in the city was being enhanced rather than reduced.

 

[Astute]

Who is bragging ?
Do you just make crap up ?

For the record I have never bought any Wasps merchandise ..................................... it was a Xmas present

What is going on here?

You used to come out with good comments and debates. Now you sound like a cock. Are you really a CCFC supporter?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Wasps don't need to be at the Higgs centre there's land all over the place to build a training centre suitable for a rugby training centre should Wasps ever get proper people running our rugby union club that might happen

What?

 

[Ian1779]

This is exactly my point. You are another victim.
You dream stuff up that has not happened and then get depressed as if it has.
I not making excuses for Wasps if you read what I have said I'm telling you what I think their plan is.

Depressed? Angry and disgusted absolutely. But I'd rather be that than take your apologetic, arse kissing approach.

We are not wanted by Wasps at the Ricoh. We are not wanted by Wasps, CCC or Higgs at Higgs.
Most parties do not want us in Coventry full stop.

The only people that want us are fans that do not pander to the Wasps PR machine.