BPA Update (32 Viewers)

[Moff]

If they'd been drawn up they'd be all over the Observer by now. In this war of words we're currently experiencing from all sides they'd be no chance that opportunity would be missed.

Personally I disagree, as I think they knew there was too much at stake to go public with the risk of egg on their face. To be fair that's opinions though, they will differ, and I guess we will never know.

 

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[Grendel]

I haven't defended anything you idiot.

If we're in partnership with CRFC as you well know we're supposed to be on the BPA there's nothing stopping them getting plans in for the both of us. Even if they don't want to do it we can do it with their permission. I even posted a link earlier that explains it. You're to busy imagining that I'm defending the council to actually read what I've posted.

So you've never posted anything that says the City Of Rugby initiative was from the councils perspective a good initiative and doesn't impact the football club at all?

Yes or no for clarification Tony

 

[Moff]

Anybody would do a better job than Sisu.
Just need to wrench the club off them first.
Do your bit and tell them you want them gone. You do don't you ??

Are you seriously deranged spouting the same rhetoric all the time. SISU know that people hate them, they don't give a shit, it doesn't matter. They wont leave just because I or nay others say so.

If I could put it a bit more basic for you as you seem to fail to grasp the concept, SISU are using the club as a means of finance generation, be it loans, interest, management fees; offsetting etc. In this case profit is king and they don't care what we think as the balance sheet is more important. Now take your business, you don't care what other people think, its your car park and you make money, and you don't care about the cat calls etc. SISU are like you and you are like SISU, a business, and they like you don't care about what people think.

 

[skybluetony176]

So you've never posted anything that says the City Of Rugby initiative was from the councils perspective a good initiative and doesn't impact the football club at all?

Yes or no for clarification Tony

Post a link to what I've said if it concerns so much.

 

[Grendel]

You really are a dumb ass. That would kill our club and barely scratch wasps. Still, you'd get to think you're clever sticking two fingers up to wasps so I guess that's all that counts.

You got a like for that - from Italia.

 

[Chipfat]

The fans go along with it because it gives them something to shout at SISU about.

Don't disagree with you in this, you know I've have said it for a while the writing is on the wall for Sisu, let's see how all plays out.

 

[Grendel]

Post a link to what I've said if it concerns so much.

Yes or no first Tony - do you agree the city of rugby is a good initiative for coventry or not?

Yes or no will suffice Tony.

 

[Captain Dart]

We are right in the thick of a media war.. HMS Telegraph fires a broadside...

and HMS Observer replies..

 

[skybluetony176]

You got a like for that - from Italia.

I should get a like for that from any self respecting CCFC fan. Frankly speaking your big idea would be the end of the club. Clearly not as important as sticking two fingers up to Wasps for you. Pathetic really. You're the Nigel Farage of CCFC fans.

 

[skybluetony176]

Yes or no first Tony - do you agree the city of rugby is a good initiative for coventry or not?

Yes or no will suffice Tony.

Post a link mouth. I'm not playing your games. If you think I've said something post a link to the thread so we can all see what I've said in full and in context.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

SISU say the club is self sustaining so have no need to sell, and could quite easily carry along as it is until all court cases are exhausted.I've just been reading an old article in the evening standard dated 24/10/07 about SISUs potential takeover of Southampton 2 months before they bought us,it's says about Seppalla having balls of steel and she was also criticised by the High Court back then for SISUs aggressive behaviour and lying in court, didn't the council ever look into this when they chose them over other candidates to run the club.It's seems like the council are trying to force ownership but hardly have a good record and what's running the football team got to do with them, never hear of Newcastle council or Leeds council trying to dictate over there clubs allegedly crap owners to get them removed as they are busy running successful cities without getting embroiled in football politics.
Our local council are full of ex shop stewards, union bosses, milkman, exBernie Inn employees, hardly top class well educated business people are they!

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Because that's what you'd love more than anything - to be owned by a franchising hedge fund with no respect for tradition, history or culture.

We already are.

 

[Ian1779]

We already are.

Apart from the franchising bit of course.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Apart from the franchising bit of course.

Where are the other Wasps teams?

 

[kmj5000]

I think you'll find it was actually the reverse in this instance... Exclusive was the Observer article.

No, Reid's article was actually published after Gilbert's wasn't it?

 

[Kingokings204]

Apart from the franchising bit of course.

If Northampton was a success then we could well of stopped there where sisu took us remember

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

SISU say the club is self sustaining so have no need to sell, and could quite easily carry along as it is until all court cases are exhausted.I've just been reading an old article in the evening standard dated 24/10/07 about SISUs potential takeover of Southampton 2 months before they bought us,it's says about Seppalla having balls of steel and she was also criticised by the High Court back then for SISUs aggressive behaviour and lying in court, didn't the council ever look into this when they chose them over other candidates to run the club.It's seems like the council are trying to force ownership but hardly have a good record and what's running the football team got to do with them, never hear of Newcastle council or Leeds council trying to dictate over there clubs allegedly crap owners to get them removed as they are busy running successful cities without getting embroiled in football politics.
Our local council are full of ex shop stewards, union bosses, milkman, exBernie Inn employees, hardly top class well educated business people are they!

Good post gynnsthetonic, the bit highlighted is very much how I feel, you never hear of other councils trying to DICTATE how football clubs are run, it's only CCC who are trying to do it.
They know if the football club left the Ricoh, wasps would struggle to keep the good ship Ricoh afloat, with the bond issue to repay and with just ten games a season at home as guaranteed income things could go tits up.
If the club built a stadium that could also host concerts and have conferencing facilities etc and perhaps a hotel as well ,they will have serious income competition that could break the Wasps and the council co project

 

[Kingokings204]

Before Wasps there was not enough revenue in total between CCFC and ACL to keep them both profitable. In fact only the Olympics, extraordinary income and smart financial reporting made ACL appear profitable - but the truth is the cash flow was almost constantly negative. And that was back when the club paid £1.2m rent per year plus match day expenses (about £10k/match).
One reason - the main reason - ACL couldn't maintain a profitable operation was the £21m mortgage. The interest payments made the difference.
Now that loan is gone - but it has been replaced by an even bigger one. The interest payments way more than the Yorkshire Bank loan. And it's short term.
On the plus side Wasps is now adding revenue, but at the same time CCFC is paying a lot less. Stadium main Sponsorship is devaluated as long as CCFC hasn't committed to stay long term.
So, all in all I guess(!) that ACL/Wasps/CCFC combined are LESS profitable than previously ACL/CCFC were. Take away CCFC and I guess(!) ACL/Wasps are heading directly towards financial meltdown.

All efforts we see in action is to keep the club at the Ricoh.

So in my opinion, the best way to hurt Wasps is to take away their revenue. Demonstrate outside the gates. Contact their sponsors. But even more effective - move CCFC out, even to Northampton.

This post whilst very informative and correct gets two likes about moving to Northampton. I get the facts in this well put post and wasps could very well and hopefully struggle but to advocate us to move to Northampton again after almost killing us off the time before Is bizarre and frightening.

 

[dongonzalos]

So it's time then.........

New stadium 18k on outskirts of city
With training centre and academy
With potential to increase (hopefully to 30k)

Or

Ditch legal action and rent long term for Ricoh and build our own academy.

 

[dongonzalos]

FL won't allow a move to Northampton thank God

 

[Otis]

I should get a like for that from any self respecting CCFC fan. Frankly speaking your big idea would be the end of the club. Clearly not as important as sticking two fingers up to Wasps for you. Pathetic really. You're the Nigel Farage of CCFC fans.

Far more would support the club this time.

Even a non league ground with temporary stands to tough it out would be better than propping wasps up thanks.

You really are a dumb ass. That would kill our club and barely scratch wasps. Still, you'd get to think you're clever sticking two fingers up to wasps so I guess that's all that counts.

Both. The legals are pointless and have already done more damage to our club than any benefit that they ever could have hoped to achieve and that damage is still ongoing.

Forget what Wasps want. The majority of fans want them dropped and we should be pushing SISU to do it regardless. There's no gain from it, it's as simple as that.

Agree, Tony. I think nearly all of us want Sisu to drop the legal stuff and you are right on Grendel too.

He can very much be a decent poster on here, but of late at times, he's become an irritable, insulting, incredibly patronising, fook Wasps at all costs Mr. Angry.

To suggest we would be better off in a non-league ground with temporary stands is idiocy of the highest order.

Did we not get close to 20,000 on on occasion at the Ricoh last season?

To move out of the city, miles away to a non league ground with a fraction of the capacity would just be pure madness and it would hit us hard and hurt us so very, very badly. Crazy talk and unfortunately this intense, spitting, vein busting hatred of Wasps by some has got to a stage whereby people seemingly are prepared to let our own club suffer incredibly badly and be put under even more threat than it already is.

The obvious answer to all this if we want our own stadium is to get a new short term deal at the Ricoh for 5-10 years while we seek out and actually build the new bloody thing! And then secondly, if Higgs don't want us, focus all our intentions of securing a new academy.

Get the funding for that, build it and include some extra revenue space they need alongside it that could be used for functions and conferences and exhibitions and conventions etc. etc. Bring some much needed coffers in from that.

If Sisu are saying they can get the money raised for a new stadium, then they can get the money raised for a new academy.

Obviously if we could have stayed at Higgs that would have been the best solution. We should still fight to get CCFC included in the new Higgs venture, but if we can't secure that then we need the academy.

If Sisu say they can build the new stadium/are looking for locations/would ground share with Cov and they are genuine about it, then they must have the means to build a new academy and there's nowt to stop them tying in with another local club to do so.

It's fine to want Wasps gone, but the spitting blood, wide eyed, snarling, shouty, shouty, screw them at any cost stance is rather scary and is doing no-one any good at all.

Unfortunately Grendel has become a bit of a caricature and his stance is worrying.

What happened to the thread let's all come up with ideas? Thought that was for us to find some common ground, not just shout people down and call them idiots!

 

[Nick]

No, Reid's article was actually published after Gilbert's wasn't it?

Don't think so. Apparently Simon published it a few minutes after according to people who read both and then changed the time.

 

[skybluetony176]

Agree, Tony. I think nearly all of us want Sisu to drop the legal stuff and you are right on Grendel too.

He can very much be a decent poster on here, but of late at times, he's become an irritable, insulting, incredibly patronising, fook Wasps at all costs Mr. Angry.

To suggest we would be better off in a non-league ground with temporary stands is idiocy of the highest order.

Did we not get close to 20,000 on on occasion at the Ricoh last season?

To move out of the city, miles away to a non league ground with a fraction of the capacity would just be pure madness and it would hit us hard and hurt us so very, very badly. Crazy talk and unfortunately this intense, spitting, vein busting hatred of Wasps by some has got to a stage whereby people seemingly are prepared to let our own club suffer incredibly badly and be put under even more threat than it already is.

The obvious answer to all this if we want our own stadium is to get a new short term deal at the Ricoh for 5-10 years while we seek out and actually build the new bloody thing! And then secondly, if Higgs don't want us, focus all our intentions of securing a new academy.

Get the funding for that, build it and include some extra revenue space they need alongside it that could be used for functions and conferences and exhibitions and conventions etc. etc. Bring some much needed coffers in from that.

If Sisu are saying they can get the money raised for a new stadium, then they can get the money raised for a new academy.

Obviously if we could have stayed at Higgs that would have been the best solution. We should still fight to get CCFC included in the new Higgs venture, but if we can't secure that then we need the academy.

If Sisu say they can build the new stadium/are looking for locations/would ground share with Cov and they are genuine about it, then they must have the means to build a new academy and there's nowt to stop them tying in with another local club to do so.

It's fine to want Wasps gone, but the spitting blood, wide eyed, snarling, shouty, shouty, screw them at any cost stance is rather scary and is doing no-one any good at all.

Unfortunately Grendel has become a bit of a caricature and his stance is worrying.

What happened to the thread let's all come up with ideas? Thought that was for us to find some common ground, not just shout people down and call them idiots!

Good post Otis. He's the Nigel Ferage of CCFC fans. Out at any cost. The worrying thing is that some take him and what he says seriously. Godiva is very quickly turning into Boris for example. Unlike Nigel he's at least tried to form an argument. Still a stupid idea from the outset of course.

 

[oldfiver]

That's exactly what Wasps would want.
Further cut the income and stress the club/Sisu.
The Wasps facilities would still be there for CCFC to return without Sisu.
Bring it on.

"Further cut the income " - so you agree WASPS are restricting the income?
No offer to CCFC from WASPS has included any offer of additional income generation to the football club

 

[Nick]

"Further cut the income " - so you agree WASPS are restricting the income?
No offer to CCFC from WASPS has included any offer of additional income generation to the football club

Surely a negative thing?

 

[oldfiver]

Said. So where are they? Has the application been put in? Are these plans going to be generic artist impressions again?

TF: This is Jon Sharp’s project – it is his rugby club, his proposal to put to the council first and foremost. This venture does not involve SISU,

We don’t want to create animosity with the City Council. It does need pointing out that this is a Coventry City FC venture, not a SISU venture

Jon Sharp -Talks are in the very early stages still. We have had some preliminary architect drawings and planning advice
Read more at http://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/article/...ting-minutes-3132807.aspx#FU10sLWGMGdzOKZ1.99

You may not like to hear what TF says BUT are you doubting what Jon Sharp is saying?

 

[dongonzalos]

Don't think so. Apparently Simon published it a few minutes after according to people who read both and then changed the time.

Sorry not up to speed with this but are others saying that SG posted an article and altered the time that it was posted at?

 

[Ian1779]

Sorry not up to speed with this but are others saying that SG posted an article and altered the time that it was posted at?

That's the gist of it. Claiming exclusivity as a result I believe.

 

[italiahorse]

Where are the other Wasps teams?

It's only the few on here that call it franchising. In reality it's not.

 

[dongonzalos]

We are right in the thick of a media war.. HMS Telegraph fires a broadside...

and HMS Observer replies..

It does feel like the in out referendum or Russia verses the west propaganda with the two papers now.
How can the same action be reported in such a completely different way.

 

[Ian1779]

It's only the few on here that call it franchising. In reality it's not.

No it's just idiots like you that believe it isn't.

 

[skybluetony176]

TF: This is Jon Sharp’s project – it is his rugby club, his proposal to put to the council first and foremost. This venture does not involve SISU,

We don’t want to create animosity with the City Council. It does need pointing out that this is a Coventry City FC venture, not a SISU venture

Jon Sharp -Talks are in the very early stages still. We have had some preliminary architect drawings and planning advice
Read more at http://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/article/...ting-minutes-3132807.aspx#FU10sLWGMGdzOKZ1.99

You may not like to hear what TF says BUT are you doubting what Jon Sharp is saying?

I doubt anything that SISU are connected to in some way. I don't believe or disbelieve JS but then at the same time he's produced nothing tangible for anyone to see and touch so it's just all words. We've been here before, in fact we've been here for the last 3 years, why will this prove to be any different just because there's a new name involved? Even the wording is sounding familiar so you'll forgive me if I take it with a big pinch of salt.

 

[Astute]

As I have said all everybody has to do is sit back and watch it happen.

So we should sit back and let Wasps do whatever they want. This includes taking everything that our club needs to survive and prosper. And all in the hope of another hedge fund picking up the pieces.

What planet are you on?

 

[Nick]

I doubt anything that SISU are connected to in some way. I don't believe or disbelieve JS but then at the same time he's produced nothing tangible for anyone to see and touch so it's just all words. We've been here before, in fact we've been here for the last 3 years, why will this prove to be any different just because there's a new name involved? Even the wording is sounding familiar so you'll forgive me if I take it with a big pinch of salt.

In fairness, do you know what he has produced? Or is it just because it hasn't been made public?

 

[Moff]

It's only the few on here that call it franchising. In reality it's not.

Its more than a few. I would say more think its a franchise than the 'few' that don't. Its the same workings as American Football teams, who regularly franchise to other cities.

Would you be happy then if CCFC, the league team moved to say Corby for example, and an amateur CCFC stayed in Coventry? Would you crow on and on then about how that isn't a franchise?

So explain how it isn't a franchise, apart from in your honest opinion.