Nick
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Ok crack on
Latest CCFC letter on planning application - Planning Meeting (21 Viewers)
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Nick
Administrator
Yes, ages ago when we were talking about the ricoh discussions and about how it was wasps who dropped them....
Maybe it should be you getting a grip, Jesus Christ.
If you are going try and catch people out, read it properly.
What Ricoh discussions? That's history, our owners said it was worth nothing, so didn't put a sensible offer in and another offer was accepted.
Christ, try and keep up, that was years ago. Anderson wasn't even here. Please pay attention.
Stop running away.
Recent discussions about the academy...are you still with me?
Are you saying Wasps weren't in attendance but Anderson was? Go on...say it again
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Nick
Administrator
What Ricoh discussions? That's history, our owners said it was worth nothing, so didn't put a sensible offer in and another offer was accepted.
Christ, try and keep up, that was years ago. Anderson wasn't even here. Please pay attention.
Stop running away.
Recent discussions about the academy...are you still with me?
Are you saying Wasps weren't in attendance but Anderson was? Go on...say it again
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Are you struggling a bit?
Fucking hell.
We were talking about anderson and wasps discussing the ricoh.
Why would I say Anderson went to a meeting he didn't?
Are you ok? Because you are giving it absolutely loads when you don't know what you are talking about..
Go on, say it again ha absolute joker what would I run away from? Some ranty bloke who has no idea what he is getting a hard on over.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
What Ricoh discussions? That's history, our owners said it was worth nothing, so didn't put a sensible offer in and another offer was accepted.
Christ, try and keep up, that was years ago. Anderson wasn't even here. Please pay attention.
Stop running away.
Recent discussions about the academy...are you still with me?
Are you saying Wasps weren't in attendance but Anderson was? Go on...say it again
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Andersons boss went you clueless lunatic
I said one party party failed to attend a meeting re academy. You said that would be Wasps. Where does Anderson and Ricoh come into it? Strewth,
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Nick
Administrator
No, I said about wasps stopping negotiations about the ricoh. . He somehow thinks I.said he went to meet csf...
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Submitted late. Does it have to be considered at all? We had the opportunity to make a relevant point today that is considered, as long as it's relevant. For whatever reason it wasn't.
So to sum up. We've submitted two letters both after a deadline to be considered, were granted an audience at the meeting despite this giving us the opportunity to make a relevant statement and didn't make a relevant statement.
All things considered you'll forgive me for questioning how serious the club are taking this.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
It's up to CA to call their bluff then. I'm sure you'll be pushing him to attend any meeting about it now without excuse.
Nick
Administrator
Do you want to go back and read it all again or should I post it quote by quote?
Grendel
Well-Known Member
He went to a Council hearing today regarding the planning application which the club appealed against
Fucking hell
Nick
Administrator
Nope, I was talking about the wasps negotiations for the ricoh, he is trying to catch me out but hasn't read it properly....
Nick
Administrator
OK... So it starts off with the news about CA saying there is a possibility we aren't at the Ricoh.
I said:
Otis said:
I said:
Have you missed Wasps refuse to negotiate?
You said (quoting me)....
I replied to you: (I even said what it was about)
Then give it a few hours and you say:
I say: (not knowing if you meant that planning thing today, as that is what people were on about then)
You said:
I said:
You said:
I said:
You said:
Nick
Administrator
I have just quoted the whole process for you so you can see exactly how it went. Then you can have a word about who is making stupid comments....
This is what I mean about ranty rant rants who shout loud but haven't got a clue what they are talking about.
I did say to go back and read through it, I did also say this morning it was about the Ricoh.
I have no idea why you think I would say Anderson went somewhere it is quite clear he didn't, I leave the made up shit to people like you.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
They've had days to get the relevant parts into a three minute's. How many did they mention?
Why wouldn't I be angry about it. It was a joke. The question is why are you falling over yourself to defend it?
When you have one opportunity to make a relevant argument you should make it. They had the relevant information, they paid an independent expert to get it, they had the opportunity and then chose not to use it at the opportune moment and not only do you not question why you attack those who have the common sense to question why.
Nick
Administrator
I haven't defended anything, can you point out where I said "Amazing speech"? I am just saying you would be angry and moan either way.
It was 3 fucking minutes, 1 of them had no idea who he was so it shows how relevant they thought it was going to be. I doubt any of them even looked up at him while he spoke.
Why wouldn't you be more concerned at the fact the outcome was typed, printed and ready to hand out to people whether it was Tim Fisher, The pope or Delia Smith shouting...
Can you really not see the speech was irrelivant and that you would have moaned either way? Especially if he didn't go like you suggested earlier.
Common sense to question why they didn't get an expert in for a 3 minute talk that would make no difference at all? Why don't you use the common sense to see it would make no difference at all... If he had sent an expert you would be moaning that the guy knows nothing about CCFC so wasn't in the right position to speak on their behalf.
It is a far cry from your thread about the Wasps Boycott....
(again, not once defended or even acknowledged his speech and what came out of his mouth)
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sw88
Chief Commentator!
Well that's just bloody great (yet completely predictable).
Haven't read it all but what a load of rubbish! Clearly aren't showing any care for CCFC.
All this 'non material / material' stuff is just smoke screens.
As for the objections, have they just cherry picked the quite clearly negative / anti council ones to try and make a point? Not sure if that's them all listed, was it 19 initially? but I'm sure I put one on the website for objections and didn't word it any way as they are stated to. And I'd have hoped more than 19 people objected.
Yes, comments from Fisher haven't helped us in the long run (re stadium and dream of our own training centre etc), but this clearly shows we cannot work with Wasps. But will be another place they own outright and we don't!
And btw, what even is a kicking barn? Sounds like the shit spare room anyone can have a kick about in, on wasps terms of course.
I mean what use is 3 hours a day to us? Definately wouldn't keep our academy status with that!
Imagine if wasps academy were offered those terms; they wouldnt accept them!!!
As for the 20,000 attendance figures, I think the council are viewing things with their blinkers on! Anyone know their actual attendance, albeit even that will be inflated due to European games.
Interesting that the Secretary of State didn't offer any Apposals.
Who is our Secretary of State for this kind of thing now? I feel an email coming in
Haven't read it all but what a load of rubbish! Clearly aren't showing any care for CCFC.
All this 'non material / material' stuff is just smoke screens.
As for the objections, have they just cherry picked the quite clearly negative / anti council ones to try and make a point? Not sure if that's them all listed, was it 19 initially? but I'm sure I put one on the website for objections and didn't word it any way as they are stated to. And I'd have hoped more than 19 people objected.
Yes, comments from Fisher haven't helped us in the long run (re stadium and dream of our own training centre etc), but this clearly shows we cannot work with Wasps. But will be another place they own outright and we don't!
And btw, what even is a kicking barn? Sounds like the shit spare room anyone can have a kick about in, on wasps terms of course.
I mean what use is 3 hours a day to us? Definately wouldn't keep our academy status with that!
Imagine if wasps academy were offered those terms; they wouldnt accept them!!!
As for the 20,000 attendance figures, I think the council are viewing things with their blinkers on! Anyone know their actual attendance, albeit even that will be inflated due to European games.
Interesting that the Secretary of State didn't offer any Apposals.
Who is our Secretary of State for this kind of thing now? I feel an email coming in
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
You're doing it again. I'm well aware it was three fucking minutes, that's why you get only fucking relevant thing's in those three fucking minutes. You can carry on defending it with excuses like it's three fucking minutes or someone didn't even recognize him. They probably thought he was some random fan who hadn't hired an expert in planning from what he said.
How do you know what I would have done either way. I tell you what I would have done if he'd stood up and made a relevant argument. I would have said well done Mr. Fisher for a change. He hasn't offered me that opportunity though has he?
Yes I can see the speech was irrelevant, the content made sure of that. Maybe he's a double agent. Certainly he said nothing to hamper the process which was the least he should have done.
Nick
Administrator
How do I know? Because you were saying earlier he shouldn't have gone. I'd put a weeks wages on you being annoyed if nobody from CCFC turned up.
The general consensus was "they should send somebody, but it wont make a bit of difference" on the thread yesterday... Not 1 person said they should send the expert did they? It is amazing to say it after it happened though.
Either way, whatever they did, whatever they said wouldn't have made a difference and people would have been angry. It is the blind hatred that people seem to have, it is embarrassing really.
It is amazing that you are saying I am defending something (which Im not) where the outcome was written and printed before it even happened...
That is the issue we have here, people can't see what is going on. You are too busy finding a way to be angry at whatever the club do, whether he goes, whether he doesn't, whether he says x, whether he says y. In the meantime, the fact that outcome was already decided gets ignored and becomes irrelevant...
Jan comes on and says "it isnt about statements people have made", of course it is. Call them all out on all of the statements, if Breed is throwing bullshit around then call him out on it too rather than hanging off his every word. If he proves CA and the club were saying recently they wanted to move then go ape shit at the club.
Look at the attention your Boycott Wasps thread got, it isn't a co-incidence people were falling over themselves to sign up and post on it and ruin it
Well, until they put out the generic "door is open" statement for people to mental over.
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letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
Yes your right again Nick let's throw in the towel and then all refuse to watch the wasps buy the telegraph or pay our council il Tax.
What does the bigger picture show you?
Sorry but after having numerous meetings I know what it shows me.
Nick
Administrator
So tell us all what happened in the numerous meetings then, rather than the "I know, but you dont" type stuff.
What does the bigger picture show you?
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
And there lies the problem.
We are a divided group to much in fighting some blame everyone else some defend everything the club do yet say we don't believe them.
The club have us exactly where they want us Divided.
sw88
Chief Commentator!
Whose idea was it to sent Fisher? Seriously? The one bloke no one outside of the club gets on with, ruffles feathers whenever he opens his mouth, and we send him to a meeting where he gets 3 minutes to talk, and talks sooooo slowly, not really getting our points across that well at all?
Don't think we did ourselves any favours doing that.
Really disappointed in the clubs call to send him. In fact I think I'm more angry!
Yes I know he's in a position of some power (believe it or not!), but surely with his form of dealing with club affairs, even the club can see he should remain locked in the cupboard he's been inside of late?
Don't think we did ourselves any favours doing that.
Really disappointed in the clubs call to send him. In fact I think I'm more angry!
Yes I know he's in a position of some power (believe it or not!), but surely with his form of dealing with club affairs, even the club can see he should remain locked in the cupboard he's been inside of late?
Nick
Administrator
See, this is the issue.
You say it is "the club", Jan's posts yesterday were all aimed at the club...
Call every prick out, Breed has said that CCFC Said things that has made them take the decision in meetings. Ask him to stump up the minutes / emails etc. He shows everybody that CCFC said it, it confirms it doesn't it.
So, to summarise, it was all a stitch-up. The academy is doomed, and yet all some people seem concerned about is finding reasons (sometimes desperately so) to justify the stitch-up.
I won't go as far to say that some people wanted today's outcome, but it's hard not to make that judgement given some of the anti-CCFC bile being spouted on here. Bittter, hyperbolic bullshit aimed in completely the wrong direction.
I won't go as far to say that some people wanted today's outcome, but it's hard not to make that judgement given some of the anti-CCFC bile being spouted on here. Bittter, hyperbolic bullshit aimed in completely the wrong direction.
SkyblueBazza
Well-Known Member
They're basically doing a SISU on SISU. Distressing them to the point of no return so SISU will have no negotiating leverage at all. They don't have a lot now...
...onwards & upwards PUSB
Nick
Administrator
I would guess he was sent as it was his name on the letter so it was assuming it was him who had been dealing with the planners.
I said yesterday to send MV, as he has no history and is all football but it wouldn't make any difference at all.
That is not me defending, just saying probably why they sent him....
Nick
Administrator
They aren't doing it to SISU, they are doing it to CCFC....
If CCFC dies, SISU just stroll away back to London and carry on.
Nobody seems to have an issue with that though, as it isn't a stadium management company....
SkyblueBazza
Well-Known Member
CCFC will not die - if the worst comes to the worst the name of the Club is the only asset...they will sell it. BUT I have said ever since they bought the Ricoh that they will also buy CCFC because it makes so much more sense...2 Clubs in one stadium...doubles the usage roughly. They get more return for their investment - & there is definitely as much money for them in a half decent Championship club than a Premiership Rugby Club.
...onwards & upwards PUSB
Captain Dart
Well-Known Member
Firstly the Higgs Charity is stopping SISU. So buying land is out of the question.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/charitys-legal-clause-kills-coventry-11449119
Secondly there is an issue about further reductions in pitch availability to the public, though I'm wondering now why that wasn't put forward as an objection to Wasps plans by CCFC? Aren't they taking some pitch time?
This was the CCFC statement, made on Jun 7th, shortly after Wasps submitted their plans.
http://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/article/alan-higgs-centre-statement-3137431.aspx
They say "To contribute to Coventry becoming a City of Sport,....To help fast track this initiative symbolically and practically, we also are prepared to move all football operations, including our 1st team training base to the Higgs Centre and therefore into the city of Coventry."
They have also still got a statement on their web site about an integrated stadium and academy.
http://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/article/the-way-forward-coventry-city-020115-2177171.aspx
and they've also recently indicated a desire to move the team to the Butts and talked to CRC about that.
http://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/article/club-statement-butts-park-arena-ground-3117777.aspx
I think you'll find there is a statement to suit every possible option, but no actual action.
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
Here you go again really Nick expect better from you.
I have posted on here things numerous times you just chose to ignore them or patronise people that don't see it your way.
So go troll through old posts you will find them.
Funny how you always find them when you want to prove a point.
Nick
Administrator
Were they in riddles? I haven't seen much that's been said in the meetings until Jan said earlier?