Brainstorm (7 Viewers)

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

The immediate issue is the Academy isn't it?.

The people we need to influence are (in no particular order) CCFC, SISU, CCC Wasps, CSF

Instead of looking at other clubs attendances what about focussing (as far as keeping the academy goes) on getting people to the home Academy games. If say the U18's were to get a crowd of 1000 plus doesn't that make a statement to those above about the strength of feeling the fans have about our academy? It would not be hard to organise, it would not cost to attend, it would be for the benefit of CCFC, and it would cause disruption in a positive way at the Higgs centre simply because of the volume of people. Can chant, make as much noise as you want, direct it at whoever or all sides, Easy for the local media to cover and something that the club itself could promote

Old Sky Blue 58 , I think your on to something here. It's a brilliant idea and hopefully we can get the Sky Blue Trust on board .

 

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[shelby76]

Old Sky Blue 58 , I think your on to something here. It's a brilliant idea and hopefully we can get the Sky Blue Trust on board .

No much prefer supporting our cov rugby, leafletting wasps games, boycotting wasps , and generally anybody who cares about the club getting a backbone, not disrupting kids football matches.

 

[dongonzalos]

My view is it's an irrelevance that a PR statement will make a vague reference to when the reality is the organisation actually wants to remove the club regardless.

Your constant attempts to avert any protests aimed at wasps have been noted and certainly not just from me.

Make a thread asking for strategy against sisu and tactics to make them stop legal action. I promise I will not divert it.

Couldn't give a shit about protests about Wasps or whoever and don't really give a toss about who has noticed that. You may want re read what I have actually said.
I want pressure put on Wasps to get back round the table.
I just don't give a shit about sacrificing legal action that is of no benefit to CCFC. If that is what it takes to get the deal signed.
For some reason you have lied in the past when you said you only care about CCFC and that is more important than anything else.
As given a clear choice between signing a long term deal that secures the future of the club and ditching the legal action.
You would rather keep the legal action and risk the future of the club.
That tells me your hate towards CCC and Wasps is more important than CCFC, which is somewhat bizzare

 

[rupert_bear]

Protest won't make a shred of difference, waste of time and potentially embarrassing. First thing to do is once and for all find out from chairman Tim Fisher, who has recently lifted his head above the parapet once again, our proposed sites he says I believe there's two, BPA being one, then we find out how realistic either site is. not too difficult. If either site is a possibility show us all in black and white how it will be delivered shouldn't be difficult remember top solicitor Garrick has been working on this for over 2 years now. Once answers are achieved then we up the anti to sisu, ccc, Wasps and local media.

 

[Astute]

Protests can make a difference. It depends on what you are protesting about and who to though.

SISU. Wasting your time. All they care about is the next court case.

CCC. Missed the boat on most of it. But might be of use if SISU are serious about a new ground or the Butts.

Wasps. They won't want bad publicity. They need to settle into Coventry and become a Coventry team. But are they relying on CCFC supporters to become Wasps supporters?

Higgs. Not much to do with them now either. How much of a say do they have in anything now?

 

[skyblueinBaku]

No much prefer supporting our cov rugby, leafletting wasps games, boycotting wasps , and generally anybody who cares about the club getting a backbone, not disrupting kids football matches.

I don't think that 'disrupting kid's football matches' was mentioned. I understood the idea to be support for the academy team, nothing else.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

No much prefer supporting our cov rugby, leafletting wasps games, boycotting wasps , and generally anybody who cares about the club getting a backbone, not disrupting kids football matches.

Sorry Shelby 76 , I think you misunderstood I'm not talking about disrupting the football at the Academy I'm saying we should support the Academy . ie , get as many people as we can to watch the game's and support them on Saturday mornings .

 

[shelby76]

Sorry Shelby 76 , I think you misunderstood I'm not talking about disrupting the football at the Academy I'm saying we should support the Academy . ie , get as many people as we can to watch the game's and support them on Saturday mornings .

I know that's what you meant mate, I was just saying kids playing would be overawed by it all and I can imagine other academies moaning about it, then on the other hand they could love it..

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

I know that's what you meant mate, I was just saying kids playing would be overawed by it all and I can imagine other academies moaning about it, then on the other hand they could love it..

As Kevin Keegan once said , I will Love it .

 

[shelby76]

And a friend of a friend told me wasps have a pr firm that have infiltrated this site, and turning any meaningful thread into bollox by chatting shit and diverting conversation from the real issues. Guess it's pretty obvious to everyone, pissing me off.

 

[Nick]

And a friend of a friend told me wasps have a pr firm that have infiltrated this site, and turning any meaningful thread into bollox by chatting shit and diverting conversation from the real issues. Guess it's pretty obvious to everyone, pissing me off.

did they teach you to copy and paste?

 

[oldfiver]

And a friend of a friend told me wasps have a pr firm that have infiltrated this site, and turning any meaningful thread into bollox by chatting shit and diverting conversation from the real issues. Guess it's pretty obvious to everyone, pissing me off.

Same lot that looks after JLR?

 

[eedyut]

And a friend of a friend told me wasps have a pr firm that have infiltrated this site, and turning any meaningful thread into bollox by chatting shit and diverting conversation from the real issues. Guess it's pretty obvious to everyone, pissing me off.

It's done all the time and has been a tool since the web was spun.

Don't trust COVKIDSNEVERQUIT, he's Bob Latchford or Jim Blyth on GMK. Exact same moronic style, blurred avatar, myopic views and spaces after punctuation , and a chronic username abuser to boot. He's certainly not a pro infiltrator but he's definitely not to be taken seriously. Sorry but his posts are a piss take.

Love or hate Grendel and his pitchwise opinions, you can tell he's a real supporter of the club. Some good ideas on this thread, as long as it's kept legal and peaceful, action should prompt debate at least. Wasps are the easiest to embarrass however successful the attempt.

 

[ccfcway]

bump

 

[Nick]

Oh no

 

[ccfcway]

some wan to protest at wasps, some at sisu, some at all

We will never come to a shared agreement on this one.

 

[Otis]

some wan to protest at wasps, some at sisu, some at all

We will never come to a shared agreement on this one.

Tend to agree. The nature of the beast is that is a tangled mess and unlike the likes of Blackpool there is no one clear enemy.

Getting shafted by all sides.

 

[Brylowes]

Tend to agree. The nature of the beast is that is a tangled mess and unlike the likes of Blackpool there is no one clear enemy.

Getting shafted by all sides.

Exactly, and that's the saddest part, started a thread on it the other day, there is real division and animosity
Among the support people's opinions on blame don't just differ slightly they are poles apart and it's ripping
The club apart.
Not sure the club will ever fully recover TBH

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Could we do a protest that gets a major road into the Ricoh blocked off on the day of a Wasps match?

 

[Nick]

Could we do a protest that gets a major road into the Ricoh blocked off on the day of a Wasps match?

Black lives matter style...

Is it criminal damage to padlock somebody else's gate?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Exactly, and that's the saddest part, started a thread on it the other day, there is real division and animosity
Among the support people's opinions on blame don't just differ slightly they are poles apart and it's ripping
The club apart.
Not sure the club will ever fully recover TBH

That's absolutely true.

I also think people are angry at SISU so much that they find it hard to put the club first. I also think some fans have a guilty pleasure of going to watch Wasps, so they can't see through that either.

It's fucked.

 

[Grendel]

Exactly, and that's the saddest part, started a thread on it the other day, there is real division and animosity
Among the support people's opinions on blame don't just differ slightly they are poles apart and it's ripping
The club apart.
Not sure the club will ever fully recover TBH

Whose to blame is irrelevant it's the line of least resistance you target first.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Could we do a protest that gets a major road into the Ricoh blocked off on the day of a Wasps match?

I don't think that specific protest would necessarily work, but you're definitely along the right lines.

It needs to be something that doesn't alienate sections of the support, but is also as hard hitting as possible.

More brainstorming is needed on this, but I like your thinking.

 

[Otis]

Could we do a protest that gets a major road into the Ricoh blocked off on the day of a Wasps match?

What, a lie down in front of a tank sort of gesture you mean?

Okay, I'll sponsor you.

 

[Brylowes]

Whose to blame is irrelevant it's the line of least resistance you target first.

But it does matter doesn't it, supporting your football club should mean exactly that shouldn't it,
Football (the game) has become a bit of sideshow here that occasionally punctuates all the
Other shit that's going on.
First game of a new season today yet probably 80% of threads on a CCFC forum are not
Football (the game) related. That says a lot about where this clubs at.

 

[oucho]

Personally I do not buy the view that Wasps want CCFC out. Why would they? They need every penny they can get to repay their bond issue, and that needs they need rent, food and drink, etc generated by Cov. I don't blame them for that, they're not villains - if anything they have tried to accomodate CCFC rather than force us out. They seem like a sound business and I also do not blame the council - any council would want to attract a top level rugby team especially if you need a realistic buyer for your stadium after the anchor tenant has screwed you over.

The only rewriting of history has been those who think that CCFC's owners are not primarily to blame for the club's situation.

 

[Nick]

Personally I do not buy the view that Wasps want CCFC out. Why would they? They need every penny they can get to repay their bond issue, and that needs they need rent, food and drink, etc generated by Cov. I don't blame them for that, they're not villains - if anything they have tried to accomodate CCFC rather than force us out. They seem like a sound business and I also do not blame the council - any council would want to attract a top level rugby team especially if you need a realistic buyer for your stadium after the anchor tenant has screwed you over.

The only rewriting of history has been those who think that CCFC's owners are not primarily to blame for the club's situation.

Accomodate is that much they won't discuss rent talks?

Serious question, would wasps ever want us in the premier league? Would they want us in the media for any sort of success?

Or would they love ccfc bad, wasps good type coverage..

The post seems a bit naive and could well just be straight from a statement in the telegraph.

 

[italiahorse]

Accomodate is that much they won't discuss rent talks?

Serious question, would wasps ever want us in the premier league? Would they want us in the media for any sort of success?

Or would they love ccfc bad, wasps good type coverage..

The post seems a bit naive and could well just be straight from a statement in the telegraph.

Why would Wasps not want us in the PL ?

 

[gears87]

I know we've had some threads around the issue but I think we need to get some ideas out on the table and decide what actions can actually be taken.

The problem is the fragmentation of the fanbase. Blame apportionment and re-writing of history is far from helpful. My belief always has been that Wasps have wanted a cheap stadium for many years and Richardson identified this opportunity and it's why he purchased wasps. The subsequent events have been all conduits to wasps and the councils desire to bring this club here. There see wasps fans who equally concur with this viewpoint.

I believe now wasps want the club gone. I believe that this City of Rugby strategy is ultimately an attempt to get both union and league at the ground. Wasps I'm afraid have huge delusions of grandure. They believe wasps will be some sort of global brand and I'm sure the only other club they will ever integrate will be the rugby league club.

There have definitely been plants on this forum. That says a lot about their intent and desire to always be the positive good guy in this saga.

Their hold on local media is incredible and I an not sure how this has been done. Even CWR is skewed hugely to them. Today has been a walking advert for them.

There is in my mind no doubt that if wasps remain in coventry this club as well as the rugby club will be marginalised - I actually think the football club will cease to exist.

Whatever peoples views I personally find this a very sad and upsetting prospect. The football club has been a huge part of my life (often to my families annoyance) and the thought that it's going to be removed is not something that I can comprehend.

The future looks grim - with wasps it has no hope.

So can we think of something's we can do to try and counter this threat?

I would urge people to at least look at their forum. There is an arrogance - laughing at football fans for their poor grammar, claiming conentry needs wasps more than the other way round and telling the club to find some money and build something itself for once (that individual clearly doesn't appreciate irony) but at the same time there is nervous uncertainty. A concern if the placid and actually compliant fan base started to turn.

It is this that gives us our only hope. There is a lack of assurance - they know they have years before they can be fully entrenched.

So - what can we do? I've some thoughts - but what about anyone else?

I would ask this thread does not descend into the normal divergent blame game nonsense. If people don't share the view fine - but those that do - what do we think?

Just a thought....could wasps be deliberately trying to distress sisu and buy us on the cheap.just something isn't sitting right in my head

 

[stupot07]

Why would Wasps not want us in the PL ?

Because we will be getting 25-30k fans, floating fans will drop wasps and go back to watching ccfc. It will also mean tough competition for sponsorship deals, big sponsors would opt for ccfc over wasos due to more exposure. They dont make that much money from us in terms of profits on food, yet rent will be higher but that counter balances with the losing fans and greater competition for sponsorships and much less publicity, column inches as they get firmly relegated as the junior club in Coventry.

Plenty of reasons.

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[Otis]

Personally I do not buy the view that Wasps want CCFC out. Why would they? They need every penny they can get to repay their bond issue, and that needs they need rent, food and drink, etc generated by Cov. I don't blame them for that, they're not villains - if anything they have tried to accomodate CCFC rather than force us out. They seem like a sound business and I also do not blame the council - any council would want to attract a top level rugby team especially if you need a realistic buyer for your stadium after the anchor tenant has screwed you over.

The only rewriting of history has been those who think that CCFC's owners are not primarily to blame for the club's situation.

I don't buy the view Wasps want us out either.

Just think whatever party you talk to they have a problem talking to Sisu.

Don't think they particularly need us, but I think the more accommodating they are to the City the more people of Coventry will accept them.

The last thing they need to be doing right now is ruffling feathers and turning Coventry folk against them (not just City fans).

I know people are going to say 'academy' etc., but I don't believe Wasps have deliberately set out to kick us out of there, I just believe they have they have simply grabbed an opportunity.

They will obviously think Wasps first and everyone else second. Think they will accommodate us but it has to be on their terms.

As I have said before, we will only really know if they want us out when our deal runs out. Only then we will know if it's a reasonable offer or no offer at all.

 

[Nick]

I don't buy the view Wasps want us out either.

Just think whatever party you talk to they have a problem talking to Sisu.

Don't think they particularly need us, but I think the more accommodating they are to the City the more people of Coventry will accept them.

The last thing they need to be doing right now is ruffling feathers and turning Coventry folk against them (not just City fans).

I know people are going to say 'academy' etc., but I don't believe Wasps have deliberately set out to kick us out of there, I just believe they have they have simply grabbed an opportunity.

They will obviously think Wasps first and everyone else second. Think they will accommodate us but it has to be on their terms.

As I have said before, we will only really know if they want us out when our deal runs out. Only then we will know if it's a reasonable offer or no offer at all.

That does sound a bit naive..

Do you not think they are ruffling the feathers already?

 

[Ian1779]

Why would Wasps not want us in the PL ?

We would out perform them in every revenue stream going if we did.

Short of Wasps going bust, this is probably the second worst outcome for them.

 

[Brylowes]

Accomodate is that much they won't discuss rent talks?

Serious question, would wasps ever want us in the premier league? Would they want us in the media for any sort of success?

Or would they love ccfc bad, wasps good type coverage..

The post seems a bit naive and could well just be straight from a statement in the telegraph.

Of course they'd love it if we were in the PL, constantly at the forefront of the sports news, 30.000 at
Every home game, probably paying in excess of £500.000 per year in rent.
Why would they not want that, on top of that how much would naming rights be worth on the stadium
If we were in the PL.
When all said and done the bottom line is it's all about the money.

 

[Brylowes]

We would out perform them in every revenue stream going if we did.

Short of Wasps going bust, this is probably the second worst outcome for them.

But all of them revenue streams that we would out perform them on would ultimately be
of benefit to them.