CET mini Summary of events (9 Viewers)
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SkyblueBazza
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Looks like a good summary to me. But also a damning one for SISU...each point involves bully-boy tactics or demands rather than negotiations, or they have missed or ignored something in their planning stages...like the Higgs Clause.
...onwards & upwards PUSB
...onwards & upwards PUSB
Bruce the Boot
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Oh dear , Simon Gilbert spelling out the facts , that wont go down well on here !
italiahorse
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Queue the few
Are they facts or twisted assumptions - lets see what he has to change!
Gosford Green
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Its going to upset a few on here, Les Reid will be along pretty soon hopefully with a Cov Observer article to add balance.
covmark
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Equally you'll get a few on here that will cream themselves over the article and hang off Gilbert's every word.
Depends which entrenched view someone holds.
Personally I won't bother reading the guff that comes from the CT, especially Gilbert. He's pretty quiet on here nowadays. Can't think why.
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Skyblueweeman
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If I'm honest, I actually thought it was a good review and I've always been honest that I don't understand everything that's going on in as much detail as many on here.
As for the damning view of SISU arising from this...the same can be said of the council/ACL. If rent of £100k was negotiated to get us back, why was it set at £1.3m originally before SISU came in? In fairness to the CET (whom I'm often a critic....the website is awful), I thought it was a good summary and helped me understand things a little more.
It doesn't alter my views on where the fault lies with everything we have that's wrong with us though. The fault is with SISU and CCC although stemmed from the Richardson era of frivolous spending and living beyond our means. Our owners are simply shocking but at the same time, the decisions made by CCC, in my opinion, have been made more out of spite and personal differences, than commercial reasons.
WM
As for the damning view of SISU arising from this...the same can be said of the council/ACL. If rent of £100k was negotiated to get us back, why was it set at £1.3m originally before SISU came in? In fairness to the CET (whom I'm often a critic....the website is awful), I thought it was a good summary and helped me understand things a little more.
It doesn't alter my views on where the fault lies with everything we have that's wrong with us though. The fault is with SISU and CCC although stemmed from the Richardson era of frivolous spending and living beyond our means. Our owners are simply shocking but at the same time, the decisions made by CCC, in my opinion, have been made more out of spite and personal differences, than commercial reasons.
WM
covcity4life
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Bruce the Boot
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{"but nick refuses to ban them}
Your like a stuck record , If dont aghree with you , hit the ban button , you are a plonker !
Your like a stuck record , If dont aghree with you , hit the ban button , you are a plonker !
covcity4life
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Bruce the Boot
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The one I would use for you is nt there ..............People like you will never have an effect on me
skyblueinBaku
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I hold exactly the same opinion.
Wheelfass
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At least the Telegraph are highlighting the many issues surrounding the club and its decline. We as fans already know all of the points that are mentioned in the article but these issues are now available to those who would not normally be taking much notice. It's seems like a pretty accurate account of the way things are and outlines the situation without going into all of the heavy legal stuff that goes over most of our heads.
It seems to me like the CT are saying look, this is what the fans of the once mighty Sky Blues are having to put up with. Although they are not asking any of the parties involved any direct questions or demanding answers they have at least outlined the situation and are making other readers aware of it.
It's a shame Mr Eakin doesnt make a bit more of an effort to endure himself to the fans and perhaps try to expose a few more of the situations of the club instead of sitting behind his microphone and either shouting people down or turning them off altogether.
It seems to me like the CT are saying look, this is what the fans of the once mighty Sky Blues are having to put up with. Although they are not asking any of the parties involved any direct questions or demanding answers they have at least outlined the situation and are making other readers aware of it.
It's a shame Mr Eakin doesnt make a bit more of an effort to endure himself to the fans and perhaps try to expose a few more of the situations of the club instead of sitting behind his microphone and either shouting people down or turning them off altogether.
rupert_bear
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In fairness to Mr Eakin he is a sports correspondence not an investigatory reporter. CWR is a BBC radio station and the Beeb have plenty of those
Wyken Sky Blue
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I suggest you take yourself elsewhere then.
Sky blue north east
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really this forum is so pants...every thread turns into a big girls arguement.....mind you hardly suprising when its run by someone that is obviously busy sucking timmys and chris cocks off all day....have a nice day......
WestEndAgro
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CRICKEY
Wheelfass
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He may be a sports corespondent but he's also a journalist. He's surely not sat behind his desk just to listen to his own voice and should by the very definition of his trade be inquisitive and be able to give a genuinely unbiased opinion and a balanced view from both sides. He doesn't even need any investigative skills to read the facts as they are. Im not saying that he should take the fans side, condemn SISU, CCC, ACL, Wasps or any other interested parties, but it would be nice if he would allow the fans of our club a platform to voice their own opinions even if he doesn't agree with them. He doesn't seem to have a fuse of the suitably required length to deal with fans who's emotions are understandably running high at the situation that we have been dragged into.
He would, I'm sure, be thought a lot more of were he to project a more sympathetic approach to the delicately ballanced and depressing chain of events that surroundour club.
Nick
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dongonzalos
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I used to like the morning bloke on CWR.
He wouldn't mess around. Whoever he was interviewing.
SISU or the council he always hit them with the uncomfortable questions and wouldn't allow himself to be fobbed off.
Real shame they ditched him.
Was it Shane oconner?
Bruce the Boot
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skybluetony176
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Out of interest. What are you expecting him to have to change?
Nick
Administrator
Go easy on him , its only an opinion
It's actually a statement, but anyway it's nice to see members return again to discredit
Wyken Sky Blue
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SkyblueBazza
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Agree with all that...just think it needs to be said that the £1.3m/yr rent wasn't 'set' - it was (poorly) negotiated by previous owners of the club, and the non-working relationships the club has with CCC, Higgs, Wasps, Butts owners (& previously ACL) have one thing in common...SISU - nobody wants to attempt a deal with them...is that because they are unrealistic, unreasonable, unwilling to negotiate or what???
...onwards & upwards PUSB
SkyblueBazza
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Malaka
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I have read the article and I must admit the penny dropped for me on a couple of issues and I am feeling quite thick at the moment.
I think I finally understand that SISU wont sell because they think they can recoup their loses by suing the council and WASPS want them to drop the lawsuit because if by some strange change SISU win, they might have the right to buy into the Ricoh, (that they never wanted) and WASPS will be stuck with them and have a reduced income, reduced value on their stadium and we know that SISU do not like to pay their bills.
I feel enlightened!!!!
I think I finally understand that SISU wont sell because they think they can recoup their loses by suing the council and WASPS want them to drop the lawsuit because if by some strange change SISU win, they might have the right to buy into the Ricoh, (that they never wanted) and WASPS will be stuck with them and have a reduced income, reduced value on their stadium and we know that SISU do not like to pay their bills.
I feel enlightened!!!!
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Still cant force CCC to sell their shares to SISU even if it were reworked. I don't think SISU are after ownership but i suspect they are quite prepared to take a high risk strategy if it results in hard cash
Do not see how SISU can argue on one hand that ACL was worthless and then the next that it was undervalued when sold.
Their case is more likely to be about the damage done to its investment by supposed collusion and plotting
The article itself is a reasonable enough bullet point of where things stand
Do not see how SISU can argue on one hand that ACL was worthless and then the next that it was undervalued when sold.
Their case is more likely to be about the damage done to its investment by supposed collusion and plotting
The article itself is a reasonable enough bullet point of where things stand
ceetee
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As one who s clearly unelightened remind which bills have SISU not paid. I'm not in disagreement with you but not sure to what you are referring