Cov utd to play at Butts next season (6 Viewers)

[SkyblueBazza]

I would think it's more likely that it would just save someone from relegation at the end of said season to readdress the numbers.

But filtering it all down to wherever the FL duristriction ends...there will eventually be one less club. So the FL would award the said share to the most appropriate club beyond that & let them into the fold wouldn't they? Or are you suggesting that instead of 92 (or whatever it is now) clubs they would chug along with 91?

...onwards & upwards PUSB

 

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[SkyBlueRuffian]

What makes you think that out of interest? What makes you think that just because they can do it in non league and then make the step up?

Personally I don't think they can and like Grendel says I don't think they'd know where to start.

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Experienced businessmen who have made a penny or two, Coventry City Football Club is a business isn't it?

 

[mark82]

I'd be surprised if it took Cov Utd more than a couple of years to get out of the MFL prem. They likely have more resources than most. Think they will find their level at one of the next two levels though. Unlikely to ever get football league unless they grow. It's not unusual for new teams to be formed in non league. They are no threat to CCFC.

Why didn't they buy Sphinx? Maybe they weren't for sale! Sphinx had a promotion opportunity a few years back but their ground failed grading for the next level. This is reality for clubs at this level.

I'll happily follow the results of any Coventry club, however, the city is unlikely to ever have more than one football league club. Nuneaton have more chance and that is slim.

 

[dongonzalos]

I'd be surprised if it took Cov Utd more than a couple of years to get out of the MFL prem. They likely have more resources than most. Think they will find their level at one of the next two levels though. Unlikely to ever get football league unless they grow. It's not unusual for new teams to be formed in non league. They are no threat to CCFC.

Why didn't they buy Sphinx? Maybe they weren't for sale! Sphinx had a promotion opportunity a few years back but their ground failed grading for the next level. This is reality for clubs at this level.

I'll happily follow the results of any Coventry club, however, the city is unlikely to ever have more than one football league club. Nuneaton have more chance and that is slim.

Just had a look at their web site.
They have an academy.
Is that normal for a semi pro team?

 

[chiefdave]

But filtering it all down to wherever the FL duristriction ends...there will eventually be one less club. So the FL would award the said share to the most appropriate club beyond that & let them into the fold wouldn't they? Or are you suggesting that instead of 92 (or whatever it is now) clubs they would chug along with 91?

No they would promote an extra conference team, or not relegate a L2 team. That would work all the way down the pyramid so if a phoenix CCFC were then given the share we'd start in West Midlands Division 2 playing the likes of Bewdley Reserves and Tipton Youth.

In reality if it was a serious plan like AFC Wimbledon we'd probably be dropped in around the same level Cov Utd and Sphinx are currently at.

 

[chiefdave]

Why didn't they buy Sphinx? Maybe they weren't for sale! Sphinx had a promotion opportunity a few years back but their ground failed grading for the next level. This is reality for clubs at this level.

Why would they need to buy Sphinx, could have just invested in them.

 

[rupert_bear]

I was told the other day Cov United are 4 promotions from the Football League haven't checked, ccfc are just 2 relegations from non league, there is a real possibility of ccfc being refused the Golden Share over the ground issue. I was also told they, Cov United, are actively seeking a big bucks investor, i think a Cov United club overtaking ccfc a distinct possibility, far fetched ? not really look at how Wimbledon FC have reclimbed football pyramid. Would current ccfc fans except it, well there ain't many left is there and lapsed fans would soon get interested in a local club doing well and possibly at the Ricoh. Out of the two football clubs Cov City or Cov United which would be the most attractive to one of the 596 Chinese billionaires out there ?

 

[Otis]

No they would promote an extra conference team, or not relegate a L2 team. That would work all the way down the pyramid so if a phoenix CCFC were then given the share we'd start in West Midlands Division 2 playing the likes of Bewdley Reserves and Tipton Youth.

If we ride our luck a little and can defend stoutly enough, I fancy two draws there.

 

[pastythegreat]

I honestly think its being driven by CCC with Wasps as front seat passengers, together they are a very strong partnership and in a very strong position within the city now. I knew about Wasps way before Sisu moved the club to NTFC, a plan to move to the Ricoh had been in place for a very long time before it happened. Sisu days are numbered in this city and them moving to Northampton allowed all to gain what we see today, while Sisu thought breaking a lease contract was a great idea, the others involved were plotting the move and sealing every avenue for them to come back with no leverage around any table with any party within the city.

The above is true, which what makes me think CCC and Wasps are the instigators and have a bigger plan, what the plan or overall outcome is i would be guessing then?. And this is where me a a certain few disagree, time will tell us all, but something is going to change and a decision or action to force Sisu out will become very clear. Remember Sisu have said it already "the club is being forced out" they have worded it as the club, the ones forcing it are quietly doing it as "forcing Sisu out".

Nick will be onto me again but time will make me out to be a liar or a David Icke follower!! either way im not really bothered, we will still be in the shit but all still want the club to be the best it can be.

I've been saying to my Father in law for months now (he thinks I'm talking shit), that it almost feels like CCC and Wasps are strangling SISU/CCFC. Holding them to ransom almost, like SISU did with ACL. Til comes the point SISU can't stay, then wasps swoop in and say, we'll make all you problems (debts) go away. Sign here and we'll buy CCFC for £1 and you walk away debt free.

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[The Reverend Skyblue]

I've been saying to my Father in law for months now (he thinks I'm talking shit), that it almost feels like CCC and Wasps are strangling SISU/CCFC. Holding them to ransom almost, like SISU did with ACL. Til comes the point SISU can't stay, then wasps swoop in and say, we'll make all you problems (debts) go away. Sign here and we'll buy CCFC for £1 and you walk away debt free.

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Please explain to me how the hell Wasps will buy the club for £1 and wipe out £50 million of debt owed to SISU at the same time.
That's the worst deal in history and you think SISU would go for it.
Crazy

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

I was told the other day Cov United are 4 promotions from the Football League haven't checked, ccfc are just 2 relegations from non league, there is a real possibility of ccfc being refused the Golden Share over the ground issue. I was also told they, Cov United, are actively seeking a big bucks investor, i think a Cov United club overtaking ccfc a distinct possibility, far fetched ? not really look at how Wimbledon FC have reclimbed football pyramid. Would current ccfc fans except it, well there ain't many left is there and lapsed fans would soon get interested in a local club doing well and possibly at the Ricoh. Out of the two football clubs Cov City or Cov United which would be the most attractive to one of the 596 Chinese
billionaires out there ?

Rupert have you been drinking, any true fan of CCFC would never contemplate changing allegience. Infact no fan of any club would suddenly support someone else ,it just wouldn't happen ,maybe one or two fair weather fans could but no true fan would ever. I would rather clean the the local sewer system with a toothbrush than watch Cov Utd
I would go and play golf personally

 

[Brylowes]

I've been saying to my Father in law for months now (he thinks I'm talking shit), that it almost feels like CCC and Wasps are strangling SISU/CCFC. Holding them to ransom almost, like SISU did with ACL. Til comes the point SISU can't stay, then wasps swoop in and say, we'll make all you problems (debts) go away. Sign here and we'll buy CCFC for £1 and you walk away debt free.

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But The debts are owed by CCFC (otium) or whatever too SISU or Arvo masterfund or
Something ( I think) so CCFC only really owe money to the people that own them.
The debt only becomes real if they leave doesn't it, at which point SISU's investors will
Surely have some serious questions to ask of them, won't they.

 

[dutchman]

Rupert have you been drinking, any true fan of CCFC would never contemplate changing allegience. Infact no fan of any club would suddenly support someone else ,it just wouldn't happen ,maybe one or two fair weather fans could but no true fan would ever.

There are fans in Eindhoven who support both PSV and FC Eindhoven on a regular basis. Fortunately they play on different days.

 

[Chipfat]

Bit of a misunderstanding, i was suggesting that if in time nothing happens regarding Sisu collectively being pushed out, i will have been proved to be a liar or a mad conspiracy theorist. Sorry Nick if it was worded in a way to suggest you think i'm a liar. I think we differ on the motives if such a game is being played by Wasps and ccc.

As for Dong, we are thinking on the same lines in regards to why it hurts Sisu, but i also think its another city connection that has declined to work with Sisu which narrows the people and places Sisu can turn towards. I don't know if the ticket office will now become an issue with Cov Utd being involved, or all will carry on as normal.

As for Sisu statement that they knew about this move and support it, they were are in a no win situation with that, whatever they say can be manipulated into good or bad.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

No they would promote an extra conference team, or not relegate a L2 team. That would work all the way down the pyramid so if a phoenix CCFC were then given the share we'd start in West Midlands Division 2 playing the likes of Bewdley Reserves and Tipton Youth.

In reality if it was a serious plan like AFC Wimbledon we'd probably be dropped in around the same level Cov Utd and Sphinx are currently at.

Exactly. Somewhere down the line there would be a spare golden share to distribute to a worthy club.

...onwards & upwards PUSB

 

[Captain Dart]

If the club ceases to exist that will be it the share won't be reallocated to someone else so the only way they would get it is by buying the club, presumably out of administration. What you're describing is a similar manner to how the Pompey supporters trust took over, the league told the administrator they would not consider issuing the golden share to any other potential buyer.

But you also take on the debt, sure it will probably be on a pence in the pound basis but there will still be debt. And you will inherit all the player contracts and, if there is one in place at the time, any stadium contract.

So lets say SISU walk away at the end of the season and Cov United buy the club out of administration. What happens then? We still don't have an academy base, we still don't have a stadium deal, we're still a L1 club without access to revenues other clubs have.

Coventry United and Coventry City are different clubs.

If a club is liquidated then the golden share will be awarded to whichever club in the league pyramid in next in line for promotion from the Conference, (Forest Green Rovers are top as it stands) & there will be a shuffle up as needed.

Pompey were never liquidated, they entered administration having been relegated to league two and exited it as a fan owned club.

Hereford United were liquidated and a phoenix club with the name Hereford FC was formed playing at the Edgar St ground. Their first season was in the same division as Coventry United and Sphinx play in today. At the end of the season they were promoted to the Southern League South and West where they are currently placed top 5 points clear of the 2nd placed team.

 

[Pipehitterz]

Rupert have you been drinking, any true fan of CCFC would never contemplate changing allegience. Infact no fan of any club would suddenly support someone else ,it just wouldn't happen ,maybe one or two fair weather fans could but no true fan would ever. I would rather clean the the local sewer system with a toothbrush than watch Cov Utd
I would go and play golf personally

whilst i believe this in my heart, and ive always believed that you only choose 1 team in life
i do attend the odd united game just for the love of the game and to support the owners, as theyre friends of mine (you support all your loved ones for sure in any venture )
i am not ever changing alliegence, and i court a real challenge from them like MK and wimbledon

that said, and getting back on subject, there are a large number of older fans attending united games, more than you would expect, that were previously season ticket holders at city, and bemoan city in every breath
ive stopped standing with them in the stands because it makes my blood boil, and i am 100% sure they would run back to city if we sniffed any kind of success in the future

theres nowt wrong with hoping all our teams do well, coppswood, sphinx etc all have great historys, but we need to be prepared, this very well funded united team , at current face value, will be equal to city in league status within 10 years if we do not have a massive change of fortune

 

[skybluetony176]

But filtering it all down to wherever the FL duristriction ends...there will eventually be one less club. So the FL would award the said share to the most appropriate club beyond that & let them into the fold wouldn't they? Or are you suggesting that instead of 92 (or whatever it is now) clubs they would chug along with 91?

...onwards & upwards PUSB

Not really. At the end of the season we disappear one less team goes down from whatever league we were in and all other promotions and is relegations remain the same readdressing the imbalance.

 

[skybluetony176]

Just had a look at their web site.
They have an academy.
Is that normal for a semi pro team?

Rugby town has a great set up. It's a stand alone facility to.

 

[mark82]

Why would they need to buy Sphinx, could have just invested in them.

In return for what? Investing is buying. Would they have had full control if only bought a part share? Or do you mean they should have given Sphinx a donation?

 

[rupert_bear]

A few years ago I would say a second Coventry team would be impossible to scale the heights and become football league members, not now, there are teams elsewhere at this moment in time who are very much minnows in size wise, population and history, two words describe this perfectly, Burton Albion, now rubbing shoulders with near big neighbours like Derby, Forest who are both just a stones throw away up the road and will be playing recent ex Prem giants like Newcastle and Villa The reason, money, they are one promotion away from 150/200 million quid a year Premiership money, think about it.
Put yourselves in a foreign investors position looking to get onto the gravy train. If an interested party read the recent histories of Coventry City Football Club and Coventry United what would they think. Investors plan long term. The longer we,ccfc, have these owners our demise will continue.
Coventry United now have use of a ground capable of holding 3000 plus in the centre of the city, that has apparently been ratified by the FL the possibilities are there. I am wondering seriously if the recent talk by crfc to sisu to come and join us was a ruse.

 

[skybluetony176]

I can't help but wonder if the United owners have done all this in anticipation of CCFC being liquidated at some point to get the jump on the league pyramid for a phoenix club. CCFC get liquidated, United change name to something like AFC CCFC and change colours to sky blue etc. but not having to start as low down the pyramid as they had the jump on the unfolding situation. The owners are CCFC supporters after all and let's face it SISU liquidating CCFC isn't beyond the realms of possibilities. A contingency plan from a group of fans if you like.

 

[Pipehitterz]

seems like the new order has arrived
tiny teams making ti into the league
everyone of them being run properly without the money grabbers that have stunk out football

some very ordinary people, will be making their dreams come true and become wealthy without bleeding their teams dry

 

[Pipehitterz]

I can't help but wonder if the United owners have done all this in anticipation of CCFC being liquidated at some point to get the jump on the league pyramid for a phoenix club. CCFC get liquidated, United change name to something like AFC CCFC and change colours to sky blue etc. but not having to start as low down the pyramid as they had the jump on the unfolding situation. The owners are CCFC supporters after all and let's face it SISU liquidating CCFC isn't beyond the realms of possibilities. A contingency plan from a group of fans if you like.

knowing them, i dont think it was anything other than the love of football , hatred of sisu, and something to invest in

 

[clint van damme]

knowing them, i dont think it was anything other than the love of football , hatred of sisu, and something to invest in

though I will never watch them and think the whole thing is an ego trip, I can't deny they've done a good job.

I can't claim to know those involved but I have been in the company of one of them a few times and he was/is City mad and came across as a sound enough lad, it's a shame they couldn't have put their talents to mending the rifts in our support because we have no chance of saving our club if that doesn't happen.

 

[rupert_bear]

I can't help but wonder if the United owners have done all this in anticipation of CCFC being liquidated at some point to get the jump on the league pyramid for a phoenix club. CCFC get liquidated, United change name to something like AFC CCFC and change colours to sky blue etc. but not having to start as low down the pyramid as they had the jump on the unfolding situation. The owners are CCFC supporters after all and let's face it SISU liquidating CCFC isn't beyond the realms of possibilities. A contingency plan from a group of fans if you like.

I think that is precisely why Coventry United were formed, when was it ? around Northampton time wasn't it and look how far they have come in so short time and the big thing for me is they are going to be using a stadium apparently with football league approval, that is very significant to me.

 

[rupert_bear]

though I will never watch them and think the whole thing is an ego trip, I can't deny they've done a good job.

I can't claim to know those involved but I have been in the company of one of them a few times and he was/is City mad and came across as a sound enough lad, it's a shame they couldn't have put their talents to mending the rifts in our support because we have no chance of saving our club if that doesn't happen.

As things stand I think there is little chance of saving our club, the writing is very much on the wall my friend. I have doubts there will be any agreement with our owners for use of the Ricoh, in fact what if Cov United expressed an interest in renting the Ricoh, don't laugh, we are currently paying just £100k a year, chicken feed really. The people funding C.Utd. can easily find that and more.

 

[albatross]

Will the usual suspects now add Cov United to the long list that have it in for the club and are forcing them out of town? They have now sunk any possibility of a CCFC ground share at the Butts.

SISU/CCFC could not get a deal, Cov United can.. says a lot about our owners. But I suppose talking helps, did Cov United demand that all the conditions were set out on paper before they spoke? Probably not.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

As things stand I think there is little chance of saving our club, the writing is very much on the wall my friend. I have doubts there will be any agreement with our owners for use of the Ricoh, in fact what if Cov United expressed an interest in renting the Ricoh, don't laugh, we are currently paying just £100k a year, chicken feed really. The people funding C.Utd. can easily find that and more.

It will look even emptier than on a Wasps playing day with sub 500 rattling around in there

 

[Wheelfass]

I can't help but wonder if the United owners have done all this in anticipation of CCFC being liquidated at some point to get the jump on the league pyramid for a phoenix club. CCFC get liquidated, United change name to something like AFC CCFC and change colours to sky blue etc. but not having to start as low down the pyramid as they had the jump on the unfolding situation. The owners are CCFC supporters after all and let's face it SISU liquidating CCFC isn't beyond the realms of possibilities. A contingency plan from a group of fans if you like.

Echo's my thoughts too Tony.

 

[rupert_bear]

It will look even emptier than on a Wasps playing day with sub 500 rattling around in there

It most certainly will initially, but when you plant seeds they grow, what better way to do things, play at BPA for a couple of seasons or so, try to grow with the knowledge of a purpose built stadium up for grabs one day.

 

[Gosford Green]

I have no desire to support Cov Utd or any other team, they seem to have owners that seem to concentrate on running a football team instead of falling out with every c**t that they need to do business with and I wish them well to a certain extent.

What a few smug super fans on here might not realise is there are a lot of very long standing quite hard core fans that will not go anywhere near the club while SISU are the owners, BPA is a decent location with decent pubs nearby and will make a good day out offering a football fix. Hopefully when SISU have gone these people will return and not have swiched to supporting these Johnny come lately`s in Spon End.

 

[Captain Dart]

I can't help but wonder if the United owners have done all this in anticipation of CCFC being liquidated at some point to get the jump on the league pyramid for a phoenix club. CCFC get liquidated, United change name to something like AFC CCFC and change colours to sky blue etc. but not having to start as low down the pyramid as they had the jump on the unfolding situation. The owners are CCFC supporters after all and let's face it SISU liquidating CCFC isn't beyond the realms of possibilities. A contingency plan from a group of fans if you like.

Why would they do that, they play in Coventry civic colours, it is a different club.

 

[ccfctommy]

The Sphinx have been around forever. They have no ambition and are going nowhere. Cov United at least want to get somewhere. Coventry need a viable second club, lots of cities and towns smaller than us have them.

You do realise Cov Utd are backed by wealthy people? Cov Sphinx are mainly run by volunteers like and go by the takings from their clubhouse etc. United just buy their way up the leagues. Will fall apart soon enough when they cannot sustain their continued sucess with 150 fans.

 

[Otis]

I don't quite see the argument of suggesting the Cov United people should have put their money into Sphinx.

If they had money, were City supporters and not Sphinx supporters and had no affiliation or association with Sphinx, why would they put their money in there? Don't get the logic.

Sees entirely sensible for them to start their own venture.

Maybe they should have bought Sphinx and changed their colours to the civic Coventry colours and changed the club's name. That would have gone down well I'm sure.

If they had no love or interest in Sphinx, but wanted a club, surely they did the right thing and start up a new club rather than just try and buy their way in and start up higher in the pyramid with likes of Sphinx.

Fair play to them I say. Not sure I would ever go and watch, but I wish them no ill.