Selling the training ground (6 Viewers)

[Moff]

Richardson at least found a site. This could be worse, much much worse.

Knowing SISU, that small four a side pitch (if its that big) at Whinfield Rec.

 

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[Ian1779]

“The club would like to reiterate that the current site cannot be developed until it has demonstrated to Rugby Council and Sport England that an adequate replacement has been provided for.”

 

[Nick]

“The club would like to reiterate that the current site cannot be developed until it has demonstrated to Rugby Council and Sport England that an adequate replacement has been provided for.”

That does need confirming how concrete it is, but it does get overlooked.

The same as that it was being discussed on here a couple of years ago after an article about them trying in the observer.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

If training in a car parks good enough for Man Utd, then it's good enough for us!

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[clint van damme]

maybe they just want planning permission to increase it's value to a potential buyer of the club, if wasps are behind a takeover they can offer ready mad alternative facilities and it would tie in with their new found property development venture.
I've a feeling that there was more on the agenda yesterday than the future of the academy.

 

[Brylowes]

I'm a 47 year old lifelong supporter and can honestly say I've never been lower or more
Fearful for our clubs future. Like others I'm convinced something is going on, some
Sort of rescue mission,if you like.
Trouble is I honestly can't see SISU allowing it too happen, if anything I think they
Will expect to have more chance of a payday in court if the club is liquidated.
I genuinely feel our only hope of getting through this and emerging on the other side
SISU Free, and still in a professional capacity, is if there is some sort of intervention
By the FA or EFL. I don't even know if that's possible, but if it is "I won't hold my breath "

 

[clint van damme]

"Trouble is I honestly can't see SISU allowing it too happen, if anything I think they
Will expect to have more chance of a payday in court if the club is liquidated."

what brings you to that conclusion mate?

 

[Liquid Gold]

Errm, isn't it best to secure the new land first and lay a few bricks before putting your old training ground up for sale?

I wish someone had said this to Brian Richardson

 

[Brylowes]

"Trouble is I honestly can't see SISU allowing it too happen, if anything I think they
Will expect to have more chance of a payday in court if the club is liquidated."

what brings you to that conclusion mate?

The end of a professional football club is big deal isn't it, if they start another JR and
Go saying the club was squeezed from all sides until it could no longer breathe,
I'm not saying I think they'd have more chance.

 

[Kingokings204]

The end of a professional football club is big deal isn't it, if they start another JR and
Go saying the club was squeezed from all sides until it could no longer breathe,
I'm not saying I think they'd have more chance.

To be fair remember what the court and judge said in 2014. It's the years of Mis management of ccfc that has caused this mess and sisu were trying to get the Ricoh for as cheap as possible to claw that investment back that went up the pictures. The court ran an independent view on things and came to that conclusion.

I bet sisu would do things differently if they knew wasps would come here if ok could go back in time.

 

[Kingokings204]

As always play a waiting game but everything is playing out before us now only in my opinion of course and is sisu are still here by next Christmas I would be surprised.

What must their investors think? God only knows. In my opinion ccfc is salvageable but it's a lot of work and investment to get back some good times. We are heading for league 2 as it stands and if it's not this year it's next year. Just like the premier league and championship if the end. We were always going down in the end.

Ccfc may well die what do I know but something changed Tuesday and all this week has been the consequences from that. The CT wouldn't of done this lightly as they've had fregin 4 years to do some thing like this. Why now? Pray to god I'm right. I can't take this much more watching my club die a slow death. It breaks my heart and many others I know. I'm not a club insider or stooge. Just a 28 year old fan who loves his beloved ccfc. I've never seen good times apart from the year 1999 was it when we finished 8th.

I hope to god something is happening. I have even a sneaky suspicion wasps will be in on it somehow. Not saying they will take us over as that's already been shot down but they hold all the cards. Hand in glove let's face it with ccc and bad as that is.

Even if we got promoted last year it's well documented we couldn't stay there and I want us to progress further. I do think we can claw back some good times but we need a chance first. At the moment we are dying a slow death.

 

[Brylowes]

To be fair remember what the court and judge said in 2014. It's the years of Mis management of ccfc that has caused this mess and sisu were trying to get the Ricoh for as cheap as possible to claw that investment back that went up the pictures. The court ran an independent view on things and came to that conclusion.

I bet sisu would do things differently if they knew wasps would come here if ok could go back in time.

I'm sure they would have, had they the cash available.

 

[Chipfat]

Oh no I agree something has happened and a switch has been flicked. You can also sense that the telegraph are enjoying it all as well.

That's the thing about Ryton being the last piece or an end game, they have been trying for years as have past owners.

I am not saying it isn't an end game, but they have been trying for a while to pull it off.

I think the difference now more than any other time, is all the players are in the same room. All have the same vested interest and all know what each party collectively brings round a table.

It's ironic that Wasps have brought a sporting franchise from out the city and are making it work with help from the CCC. Yet I feel the biggest hatred from CCC towards Sisu and the reason for all the collective squeezing is because of Sisu taking to club to NTFC.

I still can't say other than its my opinion. But all these parties including CRFC, Cov Utd, CCC, Higgs, Sport England, Wasps and now Telegraph know exactly which way and what the outcome will be.

 

[RegTheDonk]

Didn't Fisher or Herman say when the shit was hitting the fan a short while back re. the Higgs, they were on about moving the 1st team there?

Maybe the discussions on Wednesday took this into account. Perhaps SISU are looking to cash in on Ryton because they are going down this route?

Or did a drone (pig) just fly by.

 

[Bill Glazier]

This is my first post for months. I no longer watch CCFC but for now go to see my local side, Brackley Town. I will always be a CCFC fan though, and will return when Sisu go, though I wouldn't be surprised if we're playing Brackley by then. Sisu represent everything that's wrong with business and football at the moment and I have nothing but contempt for them. A total boycott is surely all we have left.

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

This is my first post for months. I no longer watch CCFC but for now go to see my local side, Brackley Town. I will always be a CCFC fan though, and will return when Sisu go, though I wouldn't be surprised if we're playing Brackley by then. Sisu represent everything that's wrong with business and football at the moment and I have nothing but contempt for them. A total boycott is surely all we have left.

I used to play for Brackley Bill my ugly bald mug must be on the pictures from teams in the early eighties.
I was brought up and lived for many years in nearby Croughton and also Brackley and I went to there last game of the season when they beat Tamworth to stay up.
Anyway back on track ,what we need is a full statement explaining what the club plan to do, once and for all. This uncertainty is helpful to no-one ,the fans need some answers and truthful answers only

 

[Captain Dart]

You would think it would have to be the same standard at least.

It is just the whole public / private thing as well. Only CCFC players were allowed to use the pitches.

If they had a swimming pool in there only for CCFC players, would they have to rebuild that?

Anybody know how it works?

Again, everybody saying it is the final step. Would they have just sold it and liquidated us 3 or 4 years ago or since they have been trying?

You realise Broadstreet amateur Rugby club will own more land and property than CCFC very soon.

 

[Hobo]

You realise Broadstreet amateur Rugby club will own more land and property than CCFC very soon.

So do Cov Welsh and Earlsdon I would think. Add Barkers to that.

 

[Captain Dart]

Three bed semi in Allesley?

Big garden though.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

We are heading for league 2 as it stands and if it's not this year it's next year.

It 100% won't be this year.

 

[Captain Dart]

I used to play for Brackley Bill my ugly bald mug must be on the pictures from teams in the early eighties.
I was brought up and lived for many years in nearby Croughton and also Brackley and I went to there last game of the season when they beat Tamworth to stay up.
Anyway back on track ,what we need is a full statement explaining what the club plan to do, once and for all. This uncertainty is helpful to no-one ,the fans need some answers and truthful answers only

Needed that for 4 or 5 years, many statements have been made the trouble is absolutely no action except in the courts has been taken.

 

[Nick]

You realise Broadstreet amateur Rugby club will own more land and property than CCFC very soon.

And what point are you trying to get at in my post?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Needed that for 4 or 5 years, many statements have been made the trouble is absolutely no action except in the courts has been taken.

Yeah let's be honest it could be entirely plausible to come up with a statement that says:

• The club are in talks to move to the Butts temporarily.
• They are looking for land for a permanent home, and are close to making a purhcase before building a stadium.
• A new training ground and academy will be built, the club intend to talk to potential partners such as Warwick University.

Great, all of those statements.

But... all a bit vacuous really, without action.

 

[Nick]

Yeah let's be honest it could be entirely plausible to come up with a statement that says:

• The club are in talks to move to the Butts temporarily.
• They are looking for land for a permanent home, and are close to making a purhcase before building a stadium.
• A new training ground and academy will be built, the club intend to talk to potential partners such as Warwick University.

Great, all of those statements.

But... all a bit vacuous really, without action.

That's the thing, I'd rather they stayed quiet and only spoke if things were certain then talk shit because they feel they have to.

Let's face it, they can come out now and say they are looking to build a new training ground and would it make people feel better?

 

[ccfcway]

Let's face it, they can come out now and say they are looking to build a new training ground and would it make people feel better?

I'd be happy with a demo of strategy of how we seek to break even and what that means the club have to do to cut their cloth and enable them to compete on an even footing, whilst they look to build a long term future for the club

Not talking to fans is digging them a bigger and bigger hole

 

[Nick]

I'd be happy with a demo of strategy of how we seek to break even and what that means the club have to do to cut their cloth and enable them to compete on an even footing, whilst they look to build a long term future for the club

Not talking to fans is digging them a bigger and bigger hole

I agree about the communication side of it, but even if they do a presentation on how they are going to break even people will feel better?

Their communication has been needed for as long as I can remember, not just the politics but the football side too.

 

[ccfcway]

I agree about the communication side of it, but even if they do a presentation on how they are going to break even people will feel better?

Their communication has been needed for as long as I can remember, not just the politics but the football side too.

yes !!!

They don't talk to their customers. In any other business, that inevitably results in one thing....

 

[Hobo]

That's the thing, I'd rather they stayed quiet and only spoke if things were certain then talk shit because they feel they have to.

Let's face it, they can come out now and say they are looking to build a new training ground and would it make people feel better?

They have stayed quite and said absolutely nothing: by failing to deliver time and time again.

Nobody has confidence in their ability to deliver

 

[Nick]

yes !!!

They don't talk to their customers. In any other business, that inevitably results in one thing....

In any other business you would probably get told to do one, while it would be nice I can only remember Everton openly doing things like explaining accounts.

While we say they don't communicate, I think it's more that we don't believe what they are saying when they do!

For example they say they want to develop the butts.

 

[ccfcway]

In any other business you would probably get told to do one, while it would be nice I can only remember Everton openly doing things like explaining accounts.

While we say they don't communicate, I think it's more that we don't believe what they are saying when they do!

For example they say they want to develop the butts.

the last fans forum must have been 2 years plus now wasn't it ?

|Communicating with fans cant be just press releases, they need to speak and address their paying customers.

 

[chiefdave]

I'd be happy with a demo of strategy of how we seek to break even and what that means the club have to do to cut their cloth and enable them to compete on an even footing, whilst they look to build a long term future for the club

Think there's a very good reason we haven't heard that. There isn't one. We could possibly be OK in L1 but if we ever manage to get promoted we're screwed in terms of competitiveness. Unless someone is prepared to put in a lot of money they'll never get back I struggle to see how this gets turned around.

 

[Hobo]

In any other business you would probably get told to do one, while it would be nice I can only remember Everton openly doing things like explaining accounts.

While we say they don't communicate, I think it's more that we don't believe what they are saying when they do!

For example they say they want to develop the butts.

Nick people not believing is due to a poor track record of poor communication. Not doing what you said you would is poor communication.
As for the Butts is it theirs to develop? Land has been available in the city and just outside it. You seem satisfied with Fisher taking his dog for a walk.

 

[ccfcway]

Think there's a very good reason we haven't heard that. There isn't one. We could possibly be OK in L1 but if we ever manage to get promoted we're screwed in terms of competitiveness. Unless someone is prepared to put in a lot of money they'll never get back I struggle to see how this gets turned around.

I'd settle for.....

"we have a budget to compete in this league and we believe its a top 10 budget. Anything less than that and we wont have performed to our investment. Anything more and we will have done well. IF we are fortunate enough to get promoted, we would struggle in the championship, but would do our best to support the management team to stay in the division, and then, as the seasons go by, with additional income, who knows."

Is the above unrealistic ?. Why is it so hard for them to communicate ?

 

[shmmeee]

In any other business you would probably get told to do one, while it would be nice I can only remember Everton openly doing things like explaining accounts.

While we say they don't communicate, I think it's more that we don't believe what they are saying when they do!

For example they say they want to develop the butts.

Accounts are one thing, the entire future of the club is slightly different. Companies that don't talk to their customers at all are either big enough not to care or likely to go out of business.

We need a plan. Even a bullshit plan. They have to own the conversation or it'll be rumour and bollocks till the cows come home (on a 2+2 deal no doubt).

 

[Kingokings204]

I think the difference now more than any other time, is all the players are in the same room. All have the same vested interest and all know what each party collectively brings round a table.

It's ironic that Wasps have brought a sporting franchise from out the city and are making it work with help from the CCC. Yet I feel the biggest hatred from CCC towards Sisu and the reason for all the collective squeezing is because of Sisu taking to club to NTFC.

I still can't say other than its my opinion. But all these parties including CRFC, Cov Utd, CCC, Higgs, Sport England, Wasps and now Telegraph know exactly which way and what the outcome will be.

What's the outcome in your opinion?

I happen to agree but I don't know when and what this outcome is. As Nick agreed with us also something has changed this week. Every story since Tuesday has been negative towards sisu.

It won't be long now until sisu go now. Might take another year or so but its on the cards.