The end of Sisu? (4 Viewers)

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AFCCOVENTRY

AFCCOVENTRY

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skybluetony176 said:
Didn't they do something like this with welcome break? Don't think they battered anyone in court that day either. Who was the company in question when a judge called he recollection of events into question? Didn't batter anyone in court on that day either by the sounds of it.

Question. Who exactly have they battered in court?
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They in fact have a piss poor record in court.
 
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Kingokings204

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Interestingly that Phil was Chicago has made some more comments after his phone call yesterday. Seems to have caused quite a stir.

Basically he doesn't have a clue. He is just a fan like us all. Nothing more.
 
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georgehudson

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ffs 'in the opinion of many'
jeez, not only a humility & reality bypass,
but certain dorks are stricken with a myopic bigotry, where conceit knows no bounds,
'the gloves are off'
 
Skyblueweeman

Skyblueweeman

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Hobo said:
"Not the only party responsible", they are though aren't they. They own the club. Who else is responsible? .
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Hobo, I respect you as a poster but I can't be arsed to go into detail on a reply. I'll leave it as Bryan Richardson as a starter. You can disagree if you like but I'm bored of this conversation now.

I'm off to watch Rory try and win the golf. Laters.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Sky Blue Kid said:
I repeat for the last time, nothing in what you've said has anything to do with Coventry City FC.
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Well it clearly does. For one you haven't addressed why the football club had to pay a much higher rate of interest on the loans made by a company that was owned by ranson than those that were owned by sisu. Why?

As to the more relevant point there were several newspaper articles that suggested he had to resign from CCFC because his mortgage to his friend Mr Risdakes' club compromised league rules as the terms said ranson had control over sales of players

You know a lot about this club so you know this surely?
 
Sky Blue Kid

Sky Blue Kid

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Grendel said:
Well it clearly does. For one you haven't addressed why the football club had to pay a much higher rate of interest on the loans made by a company that was owned by ranson than those that were owned by sisu. Why?

As to the more relevant point there were several newspaper articles that suggested he had to resign from CCFC because his mortgage to his friend Mr Risdakes' club compromised league rules as the terms said ranson had control over sales of players

You know a lot about this club so you know this surely?
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Errr you were talking about opinions?????
 
Hobo

Hobo

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Skyblueweeman said:
Hobo, I respect you as a poster but I can't be arsed to go into detail on a reply. I'll leave it as Bryan Richardson as a starter. You can disagree if you like but I'm bored of this conversation now.

I'm off to watch Rory try and win the golf. Laters.
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Yes Bryan Richardson created a right mess. But SISU bought the club and took it on. They have not made progress, in fact they have made things worse.

It would be like me saying Tony Mowbray isn't at fault because Gordon Strachan cocked it up.

Take responsibility for your own watch is my message.
 
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Kingokings204

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Hobo said:
Yes Bryan Richardson created a right mess. But SISU bought the club and took it on. They have not made progress, in fact they have made things worse.

It would be like me saying Tony Mowbray isn't at fault because Gordon Strachan cocked it up.

Take responsibility for your own watch is my message.
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Best analogy on here for a long time. And I fully agree with it.
 
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covman

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Sky Blue Kid said:
We all know there are a lot of complicit parties in this shitfest, and yes CCC is one of them, but why when SISU are mentioned do people jump to their defence... Yes Nick, I'm talking about you, and don't give us that shit line about it being "Just for balance" They are without doubt the biggest part of this mess... Have they got something on you mate? While we're on the subject, give RFC a wave from me will you ;)
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I wouldn't be surprised if this website disappears at the same time SISU do to be honest.
 
Nick

Nick

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Sky Blue Kid said:
We all know there are a lot of complicit parties in this shitfest, and yes CCC is one of them, but why when SISU are mentioned do people jump to their defence... Yes Nick, I'm talking about you, and don't give us that shit line about it being "Just for balance" They are without doubt the biggest part of this mess... Have they got something on you mate? While we're on the subject, give RFC a wave from me will you ;)
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So what defence has there been? There has been things like saying it doesn't look like they have taken money out from things like the maddison transfer but then also have a look through at all of the "they should be targeted as sisu rather than ccfc" which always gets palmed off as them being the same.

Look at the thread earlier, whether it turns out to be true or not its a lot more hard hitting isn't it?

Why would they have anything on me? Funnily enough they wouldn't know me if I walked past them in the street.
 
Brylowes

Brylowes

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Nick said:
So what defence has there been? There has been things like saying it doesn't look like they have taken money out from things like the maddison transfer but then also have a look through at all of the "they should be targeted as sisu rather than ccfc" which always gets palmed off as them being the same.

Look at the thread earlier, whether it turns out to be true or not its a lot more hard hitting isn't it?

Why would they have anything on me FUNNILY ENOUGH THEY WOULDNT KNOW ME IF I WALKED PAST THEM IN THE STREET .
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OH yes I would. He he he ha ha ha haaaaaaaa ;)
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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AFCCOVENTRY said:
They in fact have a piss poor record in court.
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Seems from what I've seen they only win if the opponent can't afford to fight. If the opponent let's it gets to court SISU rarely if ever get a result. Using the courts to batter people who can't afford to fight you would be more appt. Not batter people in court.
 
covmark

covmark

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covman said:
I wouldn't be surprised if this website disappears at the same time SISU do to be honest.
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On the bright side, at least we wouldn't have to put up with the drivel you and a few other mouth breathers spout.

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SkyblueBazza

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Grendel said:
Well it clearly does. For one you haven't addressed why the football club had to pay a much higher rate of interest on the loans made by a company that was owned by ranson than those that were owned by sisu. Why?

As to the more relevant point there were several newspaper articles that suggested he had to resign from CCFC because his mortgage to his friend Mr Risdakes' club compromised league rules as the terms said ranson had control over sales of players

You know a lot about this club so you know this surely?
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The higher interest rate is an indication of the higher risk in making the loan. Note the word making does not mean, as you might think judging by your damning of the interest rates, the club were made to take the loan. The club were a high risk loanee.
If the money was so badly needed they could've (& I am sure would've) sought better alternatives.

...onwards & upwards PUSB
 
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SkyblueBazza

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Grendel said:
Well it clearly does. For one you haven't addressed why the football club had to pay a much higher rate of interest on the loans made by a company that was owned by ranson than those that were owned by sisu. Why?

As to the more relevant point there were several newspaper articles that suggested he had to resign from CCFC because his mortgage to his friend Mr Risdakes' club compromised league rules as the terms said ranson had control over sales of players

You know a lot about this club so you know this surely?
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Newspaper articles...hmmm. They don't stand up as evidence of anything really do they?...other than Grendel reads the papers!

...onwards & upwards PUSB
 
Grendel

Grendel

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SkyblueBazza said:
The higher interest rate is an indication of the higher risk in making the loan. Note the word making does not mean, as you might think judging by your damning of the interest rates, the club were made to take the loan. The club were a high risk loanee.
If the money was so badly needed they could've (& I am sure would've) sought better alternatives.

...onwards & upwards PUSB
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The rate of interest was considerably higher than the loans made by sisu. Ranson was chairman wasn't he?
 
Grendel

Grendel

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SkyblueBazza said:
Newspaper articles...hmmm. They don't stand up as evidence of anything really do they?...other than Grendel reads the papers!

...onwards & upwards PUSB
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Why was he being investigated by the football league?
 
oldskyblue58

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
Interesting summary by the OP. It is of course opinion, and it may well be right. However some seem to be taking it as fact which it is notand I prefer to keep an open mind on whether SISU are about to go bust.

The last set of figures from SISU Capital were not great but it still left them with 400k in the bank after the 400k loss. But that information is 18 months old. If they have lost staff then that is overhead saved especially if the operation is smaller. The accounts also state that they were (a) restructuring (b) expecting the benefits of a investment sale deal to come through. Perhaps most of their investments are non UK based so would the CCFC problems make much/any difference? Do the recent losses balance against past profits? Have they changed the focus of their activities? Have the SISU owners set up other investment vehicles that are not part of SISU Capital? ARVO are the finance provider to CCFC and have control so is SISU business directed through that instead? Investment returns for the managing agents can depend on the timings involved in each investment?

Not sure as yet I see the demise of Seppala's empire
 
Samo

Samo

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oldskyblue58 said:
Interesting summary by the OP. It is of course opinion, and it may well be right. However some seem to be taking it as fact which it is notand I prefer to keep an open mind on whether SISU are about to go bust.

The last set of figures from SISU Capital were not great but it still left them with 400k in the bank after the 400k loss. But that information is 18 months old. If they have lost staff then that is overhead saved especially if the operation is smaller. The accounts also state that they were (a) restructuring (b) expecting the benefits of a investment sale deal to come through. Perhaps most of their investments are non UK based so would the CCFC problems make much/any difference? Do the recent losses balance against past profits? Have they changed the focus of their activities? Have the SISU owners set up other investment vehicles that are not part of SISU Capital? ARVO are the finance provider to CCFC and have control so is SISU business directed through that instead? Investment returns for the managing agents can depend on the timings involved in each investment?

Not sure as yet I see the demise of Seppala's empire
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I wouldn't call 400k an empire but it might cover the next year's legal fees.
 
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