Irish Sky Blue
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So you would disagree with Wimbledon supporters who say that they still support the same club?
Irish Sky Blue
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No I agree Nick, as I've already said if CCFC go to the wall my interest would go with them, as you say it
Wouldn't be the same, all my memories, good and bad times with city are intertwined with family and
Growing up. I would watch football on TV and go too games occasionally, but as for actually following
A team, that would be firmly in the memory bank.
Not in any of our lifetimes.
Same club though, our history. Would be the same with AFC CoventryCity.
Nick
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Exactly, it wouldn't be my team...
Nick
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There would be no history.
Brylowes
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No I would say their interpretation of their club is for them to decide, as is mine
Johnnythespider
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It's fair to say that the fans are the lifeblood of a football club, but it's not just that, it's as much the history and the memories of that club and its fans.
Anything that rises from the ashes of ccfc that doesn't have those things simply isn't the same club, this is the thing that riles me when people suggest following Cov United if ccfc do eventually got pop.
There would be no Jimmy Hill era, no memories of Tommy Hutch dribbling round full backs for fun and no sunny day in May 87 to look back on.
I can understand the urge to finish it off now instead of this slow demise but I'm not ready to give up on it just yet, my hope is for a new start at the butts with new owners but I may just be allowing emotions to get the better of me.
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Anything that rises from the ashes of ccfc that doesn't have those things simply isn't the same club, this is the thing that riles me when people suggest following Cov United if ccfc do eventually got pop.
There would be no Jimmy Hill era, no memories of Tommy Hutch dribbling round full backs for fun and no sunny day in May 87 to look back on.
I can understand the urge to finish it off now instead of this slow demise but I'm not ready to give up on it just yet, my hope is for a new start at the butts with new owners but I may just be allowing emotions to get the better of me.
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I'm not supporting Coventry City unless they change their name to Otium Entertainment FC
Kingokings204
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Knowing our luck an AFC COVENTRY will either get relegated or get back to the football league and be taken over by sisu out of spite?
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The thing is, any reborn club will have different views, of course it will.
As we stand we have different views too. We have the committed (who should be committed?) who go week-in week-out, we have those who've lapsed... it's no different to where we are now ref: a range of views about what makes a club worth watching.
My issue is more I think we're heading there anyway, even if we did have a temporary rebirth. Couldn't stop clubs like Fiorentina and Napoli falling off the cliff, weighed down by their past. I see us with too big a millstone to clear also.
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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I've said this before I own the history you own the history we as fans own the history in fact more than you think
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SISU can keep their history cheers.
Nick
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I also own the memories, they aren't with afc Coventry. That's the thing.
Brylowes
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My most vivid memories of following city are the early ones, mid to late 70s, as a young boy
Going with dad & brother, the whole experience was mesmerising.
We would park 3 or 4 streets from the ground, as soon as you got out the car you could hear
The crowd and smell the smoke, I was absolutely hooked from day one.
My old man is no longer with us, and when he was we didn't always see eye to eye, but one
Thing we always had in common was CCFC, if they went to the wall that would be it, an AFC
Would have no connection to the past for me and TBH would give me a way out.
Supporting this club has become all consuming and exhausting for all the wrong reasons, not
To mention depressing.
Going with dad & brother, the whole experience was mesmerising.
We would park 3 or 4 streets from the ground, as soon as you got out the car you could hear
The crowd and smell the smoke, I was absolutely hooked from day one.
My old man is no longer with us, and when he was we didn't always see eye to eye, but one
Thing we always had in common was CCFC, if they went to the wall that would be it, an AFC
Would have no connection to the past for me and TBH would give me a way out.
Supporting this club has become all consuming and exhausting for all the wrong reasons, not
To mention depressing.
lifeskyblue
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If we went out of business and a new club was built (whatever it's name) I would give it a go. If the fans make it a reborn CCFC then that's what it will be. If fans don't and want something new and fresh then so be it.
When we changed from singers to CCFC it probably seemed right for that time and I suspect the majority went along with it.
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When we changed from singers to CCFC it probably seemed right for that time and I suspect the majority went along with it.
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Sky Blue Kid
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No I agree Nick, as I've already said if CCFC go to the wall my interest would go with them, as you say it
Wouldn't be the same, all my memories, good and bad times with city are intertwined with family and
Growing up. I would watch football on TV and go too games occasionally, but as for actually following
A team, that would be firmly in the memory bank.
Not in any of our lifetimes.
But what difference is that Bry? I remember us as the Bantams. The Heart of the Club will always be the same though.
lifeskyblue
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And personally I would like us if we went out and came back to be Coventry Phoenix. Ties in the football club and the proud history of the city
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Moff
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My most vivid memories of following city are the early ones, mid to late 70s, as a young boy
Going with dad & brother, the whole experience was mesmerising.
We would park 3 or 4 streets from the ground, as soon as you got out the car you could hear
The crowd and smell the smoke, I was absolutely hooked from day one.
My old man is no longer with us, and when he was we didn't always see eye to eye, but one
Thing we always had in common was CCFC, if they went to the wall that would be it, an AFC
Would have no connection to the past for me and TBH would give me a way out.
Supporting this club has become all consuming and exhausting for all the wrong reasons, not
To mention depressing.
Your memories Bry are similar to mine, of going to the game with my old man, who like yours is sadly no longer with us.
If the club went down the pan, and a phoenix club evolved it would be sad to lose fans like you. If it ever happened I could always buy you a ticket and you come along to see what you thought. It would be worth a try?
Sky Blue Kid
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It was the same when changing identities to Sky Blues. It was the right thing to do, and I for one wouldn't have it any other way
Brylowes
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Not for me, it wouldn't be the only factor either, football has changed beyond all
Recognition from when I started going, and definitely not in a good way.
Brylowes
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Thanks that's very kind, I honestly don't think I could face it though.
Moff
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Were not there yet though, so hopefully we are near the end of SISU's tenure and we can move on as CCFC.
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Part of me also wonders (in a slightly pompous way) when we have to stop thinking of ourselves, and move aside for a younger generation (I ain't that old mind!). We've had our club in the top flight, seen the games... now it's a dirge and many of us are here out of habit, as much as anything. A fresh start gives something exciting and positive to enthuse those who've not yet had the chance to be enthused. Ever decreasing circles for another decade... doesn't.
singers_pore
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Coventry City will always exist just the company name might change eg now it's Otium.
Are we forgetting we have already been through administration and liquidation under SISU. I understand the consequences are more severe if the company owning the golden share is liquidated. Nevertheless our club would still survive and probably prosper.
Finally there is no way SISU would liquidate the company with the golden share. It would be like burning their investors cash right in front of their eyes. The investors would almost certainly sue Joy for damages if she tried to pull that stunt.
Are we forgetting we have already been through administration and liquidation under SISU. I understand the consequences are more severe if the company owning the golden share is liquidated. Nevertheless our club would still survive and probably prosper.
Finally there is no way SISU would liquidate the company with the golden share. It would be like burning their investors cash right in front of their eyes. The investors would almost certainly sue Joy for damages if she tried to pull that stunt.
kapowaz
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I think from reading these forums (which I do sporadically, as much because of what I’m about to say as anything else) I get the sense that a large portion of Coventry City fans are essentially going through the process of bereavement / grieving. I remember seeing a lot of anger (and you still can see it in places), and there’s definitely a sense of depression from a lot of people. Eventually you’ll come out the other side at acceptance, and then move on with your life. Maybe that means that at that stage CCFC no longer plays a role in your life (it largely doesn’t for me any more), or maybe instead you’ll be able to look at the situation with a kind of calm detachment.
For the younger generation of fans I think it’s essential that those bringing them to matches, their parents, old time friends of family or whatever, need to have completed their grieving for the club. So long as we are left in a purgatorial state with the club’s future relentlessly undecided, whilst constantly in peril, that process of grieving will be very hard to complete for most fans. Maybe you’ll decide that once the story resolves itself you won’t want anything to do with the club — whether that be in some new form, or the club itself continuing, albeit in the form of a shadow of its past self. But I hope that whatever you do, you’ll help the new generation make their own decision to support a club in Coventry, free from the angst and cynicism we’ve all had to put up with for the past 15 years.
For the younger generation of fans I think it’s essential that those bringing them to matches, their parents, old time friends of family or whatever, need to have completed their grieving for the club. So long as we are left in a purgatorial state with the club’s future relentlessly undecided, whilst constantly in peril, that process of grieving will be very hard to complete for most fans. Maybe you’ll decide that once the story resolves itself you won’t want anything to do with the club — whether that be in some new form, or the club itself continuing, albeit in the form of a shadow of its past self. But I hope that whatever you do, you’ll help the new generation make their own decision to support a club in Coventry, free from the angst and cynicism we’ve all had to put up with for the past 15 years.
Brylowes
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I still see shimmer of light at the end of the tunnel, and my heart tells me that
A proud historc old club such as ours would never be allowed to just disappear.
At the same time there are a lot of very intelligent and clued up people on here
Who continuely point out why nobody would touch us with a barge pole, I fear
The worst, I really do.
Irish Sky Blue
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What would your view on Wimbledon be? To me and to most football supporters I would think, they are the same club. Why would we be different. As you say all down to a personal view. I just cannot see why the AFC version is not the same.
My most vivid memories of following city are the early ones, mid to late 70s, as a young boy
Going with dad & brother, the whole experience was mesmerising.
We would park 3 or 4 streets from the ground, as soon as you got out the car you could hear
The crowd and smell the smoke, I was absolutely hooked from day one.
My old man is no longer with us, and when he was we didn't always see eye to eye, but one
Thing we always had in common was CCFC, if they went to the wall that would be it, an AFC
Would have no connection to the past for me and TBH would give me a way out.
Supporting this club has become all consuming and exhausting for all the wrong reasons, not
To mention depressing.
Ah but when things are good, even for a short time like last season, they make putting up with the almost never ending bad times worthwhile. How could you walk away when those good times could just be tantalisingly around the corner? ( even if it is with AFC who I still can't see as different to who we are now). I often think 1987 means more to us than all of Man Utd's trophys mean to their fans, as they know another one will be along shortly. ( bad season last season, manager sacked, just an FA cup win. For us the manager would be a hero, a legend).
Nick
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Are you here to council and patronise?
You say yourself you have given up, but are banging on about a new club?
Sky Blue Kid
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Like you and Brylowes I went with my dad who is also no longer with us. This video has a picture of my late Dad(I'm sat other side of him but can't see me) at around 2 minutes 58 secs. He's the one bottom left. http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sp...atch-brilliant-footage-coventry-citys-9142255
lifeskyblue
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Like many on here my love for ccfc started cos my dad took me up. In the 60s he carried up a stool for me to stand on behind the goal in the Kop. In the late 70s when I went to uni I phoned home on a Saturday to get the low down on the game. By 2000 I was travelling over from Leicester to pick up my dad and take him up the ground. We didn't go to Northampton (up to then he had only missed a handful of home games since the end of ww2). He died before we went back to the Ricoh. I will never forgive SISU for preventing him from a last season watching his 'Blues', 'bantams', 'sky blues'.
I go now with my son...for a number of seasons the three generations went together.
I hope that whatever the colour of the shirt, nickname, or even name...that in 50yrs time there are other guys (I will be long dead) who fondly remember holding their old mans hand excited and anticipating a game under floodlights (always was magical for me as a kid), who are taken up by their children and grandchildren and swap stories of this game or that. We must pass on to the next generation our love for our club otherwise they (our children) will be condemned to be manure or arse 'fans'
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It is quite apt that we're playing AFC Wimbledon this week. I see it as a potential solution to what we may have to do. Build the club back up again if no one buys us.
In some ways, we the Cov fans should love the fact that the club would be owned , governed and accounted for by the fans, for fans, for the club. No business in the back ground trying to make a quick buck.
Remember we could own 51% of the club with a major backer owning the other 49%. It would be great.
Having said all of the above - My first preference would be Bill Gates sudenly deciding he's a Cov fan and changing his philanthropist ways!
Brylowes
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You had to go and mention the fucking Council didn't ya.
kapowaz
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I’m sorry if that came across as patronising, but you do sound very angry a lot of the time, Nick. Maybe it’s nothing to do with CCFC, but it’s hard not to see that as a factor in it. But in any case, I wasn’t specifically talking about you — thousands of Coventry City fans are going through the same thing and it’s not a happy time. We can all admit that, can’t we?
Anyway, I didn’t say I’ve given up, just that CCFC largely doesn’t play a role in my life. I still care about there being a club that carries the torch of my childhood memories of Highfield Road, whether that be CCFC or some other spiritual successor.
Nick
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Of course I get annoyed to do with my club.
On the other hand I'm looking forward to tomorrow night's game like I am every game, I will probably be the opposite at full time . Then the same the next game.
How can another club carry your memories of Highfield road?
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While I'd agree, the RB Leipzig model seems an ideal model for the likes of SISU to follow.
Give us back your shares and youy can become a member for fifty thousand quid... as long as we agree.