A Clean Slate? (20 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

How can another club carry your memories of Highfield road?

Not another club though, any more than Otium is.

But then this is where people will have their fixed views. No point me tryi9ng to change them as they are what they are. To me it's more about wresting control earlier, rather than watching it go down the shitter.

I think my point overall is that if/when SISU ever did decide to get rid of the club... if they didn't wind it up themselves, no bidder for the mess that's left could well be the best option.

 

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[Brylowes]

Part of me also wonders (in a slightly pompous way) when we have to stop thinking of ourselves, and move aside for a younger generation (I ain't that old mind!). We've had our club in the top flight, seen the games... now it's a dirge and many of us are here out of habit, as much as anything. A fresh start gives something exciting and positive to enthuse those who've not yet had the chance to be enthused. Ever decreasing circles for another decade... doesn't.

But that's part of it isn't it NW, your love for your football club is something you should
Be able to pass on to your children. My boy is 15 now and although he's never lived
In Coventry, he's obsessed with CCFC I'm proud of that but his mums side are all
Cockney gunners, I often think it would have been better for him if I'd let him go the
Other way.

 

[Nick]

Not another club though, any more than Otium is.

But then this is where people will have their fixed views. No point me tryi9ng to change them as they are what they are. To me it's more about wresting control earlier, rather than watching it go down the shitter.

I think my point overall is that if/when SISU ever did decide to get rid of the club... if they didn't wind it up themselves, no bidder for the mess that's left could well be the best option.

How often do clubs change holding companies behind the scenes though? I don't many even know the limited company behind their club.

If there was a huge mess like you say and we came out the side Coventry city and rebuilding then I'd be all over it.

Doesn't matter what league or who owns it, which is quite sad really but something I've also said on the do you want wasps to buy us type threads also.

 

[kapowaz]

his mums side are all Cockney gunners, I often think it would have been better for him if I'd let him go the Other way.

Talk to Arsenal fans down this way and you’d be forgiven for thinking their lot was pretty miserable too. I think I actually identify with Arsenal more than any other ‘big’ London club — they don’t have some oligarch or Saudi prince bankrolling them, and they routinely shoot themselves in the foot in a way I’m very familiar with from CCFC. But it’s proper #firstworldproblems for their fans to complain too loudly all things considered.

 

[oucho]

Talk to Arsenal fans down this way and you’d be forgiven for thinking their lot was pretty miserable too. I think I actually identify with Arsenal more than any other ‘big’ London club — they don’t have some oligarch or Saudi prince bankrolling them, and they routinely shoot themselves in the foot in a way I’m very familiar with from CCFC. But it’s proper #firstworldproblems for their fans to complain too loudly all things considered.

Same as West Ham fans punching each other because they aren't allowed to stand up in their stadium. Try having some real problems WHU!!

 

[Brylowes]

Talk to Arsenal fans down this way and you’d be forgiven for thinking their lot was pretty miserable too. I think I actually identify with Arsenal more than any other ‘big’ London club — they don’t have some oligarch or Saudi prince bankrolling them, and they routinely shoot themselves in the foot in a way I’m very familiar with from CCFC. But it’s proper #firstworldproblems for their fans to complain too loudly all things considered.

Oh come off it mate, you can't begin to compare, when was the last time they
Finished outside the top 4

 

[Brylowes]

Same as West Ham fans punching each other because they aren't allowed to stand up in their stadium. Try having some real problems WHU!!

Since full on segregation, WHU fans regularly punch each other.

 

[kapowaz]

Oh come off it mate, you can't begin to compare, when was the last time they
Finished outside the top 4

Exactly. But the frustration is real in their minds. They talk about wanting Wenger gone, their various failings etc. It’s obviously completely blinkered considering their actual status.

 

[shmmeee]

What are we talking about here? A successor club before CCFC has gone? I don't think that's a starter.

Supporting whatever comes after the inevitable winding up? Why wouldn't you?

I'm confused. Are we saying the FL would take away the share and wed be stuck in non league division 9 or whatever?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

What are we talking about here? A successor club before CCFC has gone? I don't think that's a starter.

Supporting whatever comes after the inevitable winding up? Why wouldn't you?

I'm confused. Are we saying the FL would take away the share and wed be stuck in non league division 9 or whatever?

To put it bluntly... Yes!

 

[shmmeee]

Surely if it came to it the FL would just dock us points and sell off the share or do a deal like they did with Otium. We've been through this before, why would it be different next time?

 

[kapowaz]

I'm confused. Are we saying the FL would take away the share and wed be stuck in non league division 9 or whatever?

Isn’t that effectively what the SFA did to Rangers v2?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

What are we talking about here? A successor club before CCFC has gone? I don't think that's a starter.

It isn't.

Supporting whatever comes after the inevitable winding up? Why wouldn't you?

I think it's more not fighting to save it, tbh. It is what it is, and it'll exist however long SISU want to hold onto it and yes, you're right... nobody would support a 'rival' club while CCFC existed, even if owned by SISU.

When the time comes, though, better to let it die away then to have a false dawn, with the intrinsic problems that the club faces due to having its very structure ripped away. Sure, a 'new' club would have to build that structure too, but it'd be less firefighting to survive (which distracts from the building, and chances are would have an inevitable end anyway) and more long term planning unencumbered with the mess previous owners have left behind.

Imagine... a chance to set up our club as it should be.

 

[Nick]

What are we talking about here? A successor club before CCFC has gone? I don't think that's a starter.

Supporting whatever comes after the inevitable winding up? Why wouldn't you?

I'm confused. Are we saying the FL would take away the share and wed be stuck in non league division 9 or whatever?

talking about a new club, yeah it would be in non league

 

[kapowaz]

Imagine... a chance to set up our club as it should be.

I genuinely find this idea exciting, but again, the pre-requisite being that CCFC has ceased to be beforehand.

 

[Nick]

It reminds me of people who turn the computer off halfway through a game because they are losing.

People turn their nose up about us playing league one teams, how is it going to be playing bedworth United?

A Lot of city fans will already have links with sphinx, copsewood, cov United and even bedworth and Nuneaton so will just see them instead.

If the new club is Coventry city and it means we get a points deduction and go down then it's a different thing entirely.

 

[Brylowes]

But that's part of it isn't it NW, your love for your football club is something you should
Be able to pass on to your children. My boy is 15 now and although he's never lived
In Coventry, he's obsessed with CCFC I'm proud of that but his mums side are all
Cockney gunners, I often think it would have been better for him if I'd let him go the
Other way.

Wrote this and it reminded me of one of my favourite memories concerning
My lad And CCFC , got tickets for the cup game at the Emirates.
The one where we took 9000 fans, hotel in London booked me the Mrs & him
Set off on our journey, we got as far as Ipswich and he was sick all over the car.

We turned back and had to get his Nan to come and babysit while we went to
The match, had a great night despite the result. Anyway the wife insisted on
Getting one of them shitty "half city" half arsenal scarfs (against my will) she
Thought it would make him feel better. Got home and she presented him with
The gift, he seemed grateful enough,

I went into his room a few days later and It was proudly displayed up on the wall,
with the Arsenal half completely blacked out with "permanent marker"
"
That's my boy"

 

[kapowaz]

That was a great game — one of the few times I’ve gotten to see CCFC play in London. Such a good atmosphere considering the severity of the scoreline. I wish there was some way of bottling that good cheer and deploying it right now.

 

[Brylowes]

That was a great game — one of the few times I’ve gotten to see CCFC play in London. Such a good atmosphere considering the severity of the scoreline. I wish there was some way of bottling that good cheer and deploying it right now.

We had a brilliant night after in that pub on the big junction, "the seven pins"
I think it's called, had a decent live band on. Got talking and drinking with
Some gooners, great bunch they were and very complementary to our
Support.

 

[Otis]

It wouldn't, it would be a new club. It wouldn't have the memories, the tradition.

If we had gone bust then cov utd would have been at the time.

The memories are surely within the mindset of the supporters themselves. A club doesn't have memories, it is the supporters watching the club.

Are you saying if a new Coventry City starts up, Coventry City AFC, known as the Sky Blues, playing in Coventry City colours in Coventry, that would mean none of us would remember 1987 and all the great players we have had over the years because we have an AFC after our name?

Distinctly odd thought process to my mind.

Do Wimbledon AFC fans not remember their team winning the FA Cup?

Last news I heard was that the FL are very much thinking of giving AFC Wimbledon all the trophies they had won as Wimbledon, back to them.

A new Coventry City would still be Coventry City and would still hold all the memories and all the tradition. It would just be a new chapter in our story.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The memories are surely within the mindset of the supporters themselves. A club doesn't have memories, it is the supporters watching the club.

Are you saying if a new Coventry City starts up, Coventry City AFC, known as the Sky Blues, playing in Coventry City colours in Coventry would mean none of us would remember 1987 and all the great players we have had over the years because we have an AFC after our name?

Distinctly odd thought process to my mind.

Do Wimbledon AFC fans not remember their team winning the FA Cup?

Last news I heard was that the FL are very much thinking of giving AFC Wimbledon all the trophies they have won, back.

A new Coventry City would still be Coventry City and would still hold all the memories and all the tradition. It would just be a new chapter in our story.

Thing is, you're not going to bring everyone along for the ride, any more than you will when SISU rocked up / when we signed King / when we went to Northampton - it's the nature of the beast. Thread 2 at a later date might be about whether you need a whole new club rather than a 'replacement' to exorcise the ghosts and 'legacy'. I'm not *entirely* comfortable with the concept of a phoenix team myself but... we're currently OEG anyway.

A failing club loses fans anyway however, as a natural event. So if it's going to fail and failure is inevitable, put it down.

 

[Otis]

Northampton though was a scenario of us playing 34 miles from home.

If a new Coventry was formed and was playing outside Coventry, then I would say it wasn't Coventry City, but we all pretty much know, that if a new Coventry City formed we would end up playing at the Butts for sure.

 

[Grendel]

Setting a club up how it should be?

Ok - get some mug to put loads of money into it and then it loses millions a year.

If it fails tell the fucker he needs to invest more.

If he doesn't claim nopm until the club find a new owner - or draw Chelsea in the cup.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Setting a club up how it should be?

Ok - get some mug to put loads of money into it and then it loses millions a year.

If it fails tell the fucker he needs to invest more.

If he doesn't claim nopm until the club find a new owner - or draw Chelsea in the cup.

Nope.

Get back to the roots of what a *club* is, remember what's important away from the pressures of firefighting a humungous mess (that it'd be naive wouldn't still exist in a major part after any administration) and start planning an actual structure for the club.

What we've lost sight of, is that foundations (physical and social) and community (wider fan, inner club) are important... but to get that back needs us to be unencumbered by past shit, past errors, and past legacies.

 

[Grendel]

Nope.

Get back to the roots of what a *club* is, remember what's important away from the pressures of firefighting a humungous mess (that it'd be naive wouldn't still exist in a major part after any administration) and start planning an actual structure for the club.

What we've lost sight of, is that foundations (physical and social) and community (wider fan, inner club) are important... but to get that back needs us to be unencumbered by past shit, past errors, and past legacies.

No one gives a fuck - most want instant success - that's football

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Northampton though was a scenario of us playing 34 miles from home.

If a new Coventry was formed and was playing outside Coventry, then I would say it wasn't Coventry City, but we all pretty much know, that if a new Coventry City formed we would end up playing at the Butts for sure.

You're doing exactly the same, you're slipping into an entrenched position of what the club is to *you*.

Interestingly however... nobody has yet bothered to counter in any detail my assertion that the club as it stands is inevitably doomed.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

No one gives a fuck - most want instant success - that's football

Are you Mike McGinnity?

We'd have success at a low level. Would allow the breathing space to get the foundations right. Get the foundations right, and success is more likely down the line.

 

[ccfcway]

No one gives a fuck - most want instant success - that's football

not sure many ccfc fans can be accused of wanting instant success.

 

[Grendel]

not sure many ccfc fans can be accused of wanting instant success.

Yes they can. That's why crowds treble when a big name comes to town.

 

[Otis]

You're doing exactly the same, you're slipping into an entrenched position of what the club is to *you*.

Interestingly however... nobody has yet bothered to counter in any detail my assertion that the club as it stands is inevitably doomed.

Yeah, accept that, but I am pretty certain there will be many with the exact same thought.

And just because they no longer go, doesn't mean they can't be armchair fans and still looking out for the results and the notion that maybe one day they would return.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Yeah, accept that, but I am pretty certain there will be many with the exact same thought.

And there will be many who would not accept a revived club after ours went pop.

So why bother to tell them they're wrong? It is what it is.

 

[Grendel]

Are you Mike McGinnity?

We'd have success at a low level. Would allow the breathing space to get the foundations right. Get the foundations right, and success is more likely down the line.

Is it? Pretty much every successful club had done so by an obscene amount of cash flooding in to start. Most of our fans believe we should be still in the premier league or at least top end championship. You can do a the building you like but without millions we will not be there.

 

[Otis]

And there will be many who would not accept a revived club after ours went pop.

So why bother to tell them they're wrong? It is what it is.

Because I am right?

 

[chiefdave]

I don't really see the advantage of starting again unless it is unavoidable. You might as well wait for the club to go into admin again and pick it up for next to nothing as it will only go into admin if SISU walk.

Even if we were in the conference playing and the Butts, and lets hope we don't fall that far, that's got to be better than starting from scratch.

The idea that thousands will turn up doesn't make sense to me. Unless the new club was storming up the league with constant back to back promotions people would drift away.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The idea that thousands will turn up doesn't make sense to me.

You're the first to suggest that.

Growth and success would be organic and, as a result, lasting.