Only two people to blame (1 Viewer)

[SkyblueBri]

I know we all hate SISU and want them gone, but for the state of the current team the only ones to blame are TM and MV. Our budget was known and yet we let all those players go and the aimed for Championship players. Look at this division and you need big strong players not kids. Sometimes you can be lucky like we were with Armstrong etc, but you can't bank on that but we did, hence. Where we are now, before Jan we need an experienced ,for this division , manager.

 

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[skybluebeduff]

No our budget isn't known, not yet, not until they release some swindled account figures.

 

[ceetee]

You are correct

 

[shy_tall_knight]

The fact that a club like CCFC have a smaller budget than Bury or Rochdale is not MV or TM's fault, regardless of how badly the budget was spent.

 

[stupot07]

No our budget isn't known, not yet, not until they release some swindled account figures.

He meant was known by TM and MV.

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[stupot07]

The fact that a club like CCFC have a smaller budget than Bury or Rochdale is not MV or TM's fault, regardless of how badly the budget was spent.

You know that for a fact? Have we got the lowest budget in the league?


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[skybluetony176]

MV (in stark contrast to last season) apparently doesn't know where our budget falls in the league this season, as he confirmed on CWR on Fridays phone in.

My guess is that our budget is the same as last season whereas most other teams in league one have moved forward and increased. Which basically equates to a budget cut in real terms.

 

[clint van damme]

The fact that a club like CCFC have a smaller budget than Bury or Rochdale is not MV or TM's fault, regardless of how badly the budget was spent.

How do you know the budget is smaller?
While not agreeing it is all TMs fault he certainly has to shoulder his share of the blame.
Budget has no bearing on the fact he brought in players who are no better than those he either got rid of those he didn't play.

 

[Kingokings204]

Yeah agree with the OP to an extent. But the problems lie much deeper down that's the problem so it doesn't matter if it's Jose mourinho or me in charge. If the budget is cut every year which seems to be the case it doesn't matter who you get in. It's the same hand of cards.

Yes we aimed to high and it's clear mowbray messed up and went for championship players which in turn left us with a bunch of kids who are not good enough. Can't disagree.

This is a mans league, experience league and grinders league. It isn't for pretty football and no shots on target. Especially if they are teenagers.

Overall I agree

 

[shy_tall_knight]

Another way of looking at is is that CCFC are also struggling to attract players compared to previous seasons, may be seen as a basket case of a club, MV & TM cocked up but had a medium size budget for this league and have to replace a lot of players due to the reliance on loans and short term contracts - who's fault is that that we have this huge churn every year

 

[4waspsting]

TM new what was going on thats why the c**t done a runner

 

[stupot07]

Another way of looking at is is that CCFC are also struggling to attract players compared to previous seasons, may be seen as a basket case of a club, MV & TM cocked up but had a medium size budget for this league and have to replace a lot of players due to the reliance on loans and short term contracts - who's fault is that that we have this huge churn every year

The managers fault. He chooses the players.



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[skybluebeduff]

You know that for a fact? Have we got the lowest budget in the league?


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As confirmed by Skybluetony, Venus said on Friday that he doesn't even know where the budget falls, so judging by players in compared to players left, it's a lot smaller than last year.

 

[Nick]

As confirmed by Skybluetony, Venus said on Friday that he doesn't even know where the budget falls, so judging by players in compared to players left, it's a lot smaller than last year.

What about the bit where he said there is money left?

 

[skybluebeduff]

What about the bit where he said there is money left?

Then the question is the amount...

Mid Ocotber and still no new face that was promised when the window closed.

 

[Esoterica]

As confirmed by Skybluetony, Venus said on Friday that he doesn't even know where the budget falls, so judging by players in compared to players left, it's a lot smaller than last year.

We can speculate all we like about the overall budget size in comparison to last year and to other clubs but MV also said there's still money left in the budget too. TM utterly ballsed up this summer's transfer window, one of the few things that can't be pinned on our shit owners - selling Vincelot and then not using all the budget has to be one of the most ridiculous decisions made in the last 10 years.

 

[The Penguin]

Nii Lamptey podcast lads said as much last week; that it's all very well to complain about an inexperienced back four, for example, but it's a back four that our ex-manager put together. Transfers this season were a dead set clusterfuck

 

[shy_tall_knight]

We can speculate all we like about the overall budget size in comparison to last year and to other clubs but MV also said there's still money left in the budget too. TM utterly ballsed up this summer's transfer window, one of the few things that can't be pinned on our shit owners - selling Vincelot and then not using all the budget has to be one of the most ridiculous decisions made in the last 10 years.

So if I remember correctly in order to generate funds to pay for some loans we had to sell a first team regular (Vince) - how many other clubs were in that position, if we hadn't sold vince we wouldn't have been able to get in the loans bud the budget is OK

 

[robbiekeane]

So if I remember correctly in order to generate funds to pay for some loans we had to sell a first team regular (Vince) - how many other clubs were in that position, if we hadn't sold vince we wouldn't have been able to get in the loans bud the budget is OK

Didn't Venus say there is money left in the pot??? In that case why the hell are we selling Vincelot? TM lost the plot and you all know it, but it just doesn't fit nicely with your "SISU are the root of all things evil and everything that's ever gone wrong with the club" story, so you come up with all this bullshit. Unfortunately many of our fans are stupid eno7gh to believe it

 

[skybluebeduff]

So if I remember correctly in order to generate funds to pay for some loans we had to sell a first team regular (Vince) - how many other clubs were in that position, if we hadn't sold vince we wouldn't have been able to get in the loans bud the budget is OK

Exactly mate, people need a head wobble.

 

[Captain Dart]

So if I remember correctly in order to generate funds to pay for some loans we had to sell a first team regular (Vince) - how many other clubs were in that position, if we hadn't sold vince we wouldn't have been able to get in the loans bud the budget is OK

The worst thing is they took the risk to lose Vince to get in a better Centre Back and failed to complete that deal, so we ended up with Turnbull who isn't the worst but hardly anything to write home about. The strategy was utterly flawed.

 

[clint van damme]

Exactly mate, people need a head wobble.

I have no idea if we had to sell to bring loans in, same as everybody else!
But even if we did, you still can't totally exonerate the manager. If money was that tight why did he make a centre half his only cash signing when he's no better than a player he let go?

 

[ceetee]

....... And released a perfectly adequate ( for this league) young centre back. I doubt that was Joy ' s decision

 

[skybluebeduff]

I have no idea if we had to sell to bring loans in, same as everybody else!
But even if we did, you still can't totally exonerate the manager. If money was that tight why did he make a centre half his only cash signing when he's no better than a player he let go?

If we sold Vince to bring in Turnbull, then the budget left must be????

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

I think we should give Turnbull a bit of time when Martin first came here he was dreadful but improved.

I still think we are carrying players that we are never going to play and would be happy to get rid of Finch and one other to bring in one player who may make a difference

 

[clint van damme]

If we sold Vince to bring in Turnbull, then the budget left must be????

Sorry, not sure if you mean there must be budget left, but if so, then apparently there is.
I appreciate what a basket case of a club it must be to manage and many have tried and failed, but TM made some very bad decisions leading up to and at the beginning of this season. He has to shoulder some blame for our start.

 

[shy_tall_knight]

I agree TM & MV have cocked up but they are not totally to blame, the ridiculous churn of players, with a medium budget always exposes you to the risk of this, had we got double the budget or only had to replace half the players the risk would be less, Aaron Martin decision makes no sense, I agree, Gad the impaler looks a very poor choice, if there is money in the budget why hasn't it been spent

 

[Perryccfc]

I know we all hate SISU and want them gone, but for the state of the current team the only ones to blame are TM and MV. Our budget was known and yet we let all those players go and the aimed for Championship players. Look at this division and you need big strong players not kids. Sometimes you can be lucky like we were with Armstrong etc, but you can't bank on that but we did, hence. Where we are now, before Jan we need an experienced ,for this division , manager.

To blame for what? You're off your head! SISU are to blame. The fall sits firmly at their door and you trying to divert it to its all Mowbrays fault exemplifies the exact issue with our fans. Clueless, blindsighted and at times completely moronic!

Why is our budget what it is in the first place?

Mowbray couldn't attract the calibre of player we would all have loved to have seen come in, is that his fault or the clubs? He showed an ambition that far outreachers the owners and most of the bloody supporters.

Some of the tripe that some come out with is embarrassing.

 

[skybluebeduff]

Sorry, not sure if you mean there must be budget left, but if so, then apparently there is.
I appreciate what a basket case of a club it must be to manage and many have tried and failed, but TM made some very bad decisions leading up to and at the beginning of this season. He has to shoulder some blame for our start.

I'm not defending Mowbray, the league position don't lie. If his cloth was cut considering he shown what he is capable of by getting us 8th position, then 50% of that blame lays with the board.

 

[Wheelfass]

How do you know the budget is smaller?
While not agreeing it is all TMs fault he certainly has to shoulder his share of the blame.
Budget has no bearing on the fact he brought in players who are no better than those he either got rid of those he didn't play.

The reasons why some of last seasons better performers are no longer with us will probably remain with TM and MV, however, I wouldn't have thought they were all purely footballing reasons. As for the question of budget and how does S_T_K know that the CCFC budget is smaller than Bury or Rochdale. I don't know the answer to that but one thing that I can tell you quite categorically is - and I quote - "even Oxford are paying higher wages than us". I think that puts the financing issues into perspective. Of course, I don't know what Oxfords budget is either but football is of course very much a mercenary game where players and their agents will often look at the financial return rather than say, playing in a nice stadium of a club that were once in the Premier League.

 

[ccfchoi87]

To blame for what? You're off your head! SISU are to blame. The fall sits firmly at their door and you trying to divert it to its all Mowbrays fault exemplifies the exact issue with our fans. Clueless, blindsighted and at times completely moronic!

Why is our budget what it is in the first place?

Mowbray couldn't attract the calibre of player we would all have loved to have seen come in, is that his fault or the clubs? He showed an ambition that far outreachers the owners and most of the bloody supporters.

Some of the tripe that some come out with is embarrassing.

So if Mowbray tried to get messi it would be sisu's fault we didn't? He aimed too high and let go of experienced league 1 players like Martin O'Brien and vincelot then moans our team is too young. He fucked up last year by bringing in the OAP's that stopped us getting promoted. He's fucked up this year not only in recruitment but his substitutions were bizarre, did sisu force him to play 4-1-5 the other week or force him to play bigi right fucking midfield. What is wrong with our fans is people who can't respect someone else's opinions. Why should you be called moronic for criticising a manager who has left us bottom of league 1?

 

[shy_tall_knight]

Can anyone explain to me why we had to sell Vince for a small transfer fee to fund the loans yet still have funds from the budget unspent !!! just doesn't make sense, but that was the explanation given by TM as for MV he is a board member, of course he will say we have a competitive budget but has admitted it is smaller than last year at a time when iti is perceived that other clubs budgets have risen.

 

[Perryccfc]

So if Mowbray tried to get messi it would be sisu's fault we didn't? He aimed too high and let go of experienced league 1 players like Martin O'Brien and vincelot then moans our team is too young. He fucked up last year by bringing in the OAP's that stopped us getting promoted. He's fucked up this year not only in recruitment but his substitutions were bizarre, did sisu force him to play 4-1-5 the other week or force him to play bigi right fucking midfield. What is wrong with our fans is people who can't respect someone else's opinions. Why should you be called moronic for criticising a manager who has left us bottom of league 1?

He showed ambition. If he signed the players he wanted he would be lauded as amazing, but because he couldn't compete in terms of wages he's criticised. Would you have complained if we had signed top end league 1/lower end championship players? So what was he left with? Signing average players. You all seem to be experts on which type of player he SHOULD have signed yet no one mentions any names. Would be interesting to see who our fans wanted to sign.

He didn't get the players he wanted purely down to the money we could offer and we were outmuscled. Is that mowbrays fault?

Some of the fans opinions and comments are moronic, absolutely.

 

[skybluebeduff]

Keep seeing that TM tried and failed by aiming higher, but then had to sell Vince to bring in a defender...

Jesus wept.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

I think we should give Turnbull a bit of time when Martin first came here he was dreadful but improved.

I still think we are carrying players that we are never going to play and would be happy to get rid of Finch and one other to bring in one player who may make a difference

This has always been SISU's way of working but with one small difference Terry. They get rid/sell one decent-ish player and replace with two sh**t ones. Your way of thinking will never happen mate, it goes against all things SISU.