Cancel the boycott (7 Viewers)

[georgehudson]

a-ha yes, squirty cream & custard pies,
though the stewards would get confused over squirty cream being an offensive weapon

 

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[Kingokings204]

We should demonstrate inside the stadium , not outside. What happened at Charlton got more coverage than simply not going in.

Yes we need to bark from the inside not outside. That way not just 1k fans outside just looking silly.

We all go in and throw blue bog roll on the pitch is the best I've heard. What a statement that would be. It's peaceful everyone can do it and it's noticeable.

 

[clint van damme]

Funny how those that were on about fans unity are doing there best to distroy it.
This really is the lowest we have been.
Got to say I am now seriously thinking of throwing my ST away if it wasn't that I get to see my brother every Saturday I would.
These owners have killed our club and are now killing our fans.
Thank You Sisu.

you need to get a grip mate.
sisu didn't make him follow extreme right wing groups on twitter or re tweet there bile FFS. That was his decision.
This is nothing to do with fan unity, this is one guy making a fundamental mistake of putting himself in the spotlight while having questionable activity on his twitter account.
Think how this can be used against us, think how this might go down with other fans groups that we're trying to engage with.
This isn't a witch hunt, this is a matter od serious concern. He probably is a good guy who's made a poor error of judgement, but the campaign(s) against the owners have started to get national media coverage, this sort of thing could seriously undermine it.

 

[Otis]

you need to get a grip mate.
sisu didn't make him follow extreme right wing groups on twitter or re tweet there bile FFS. That was his decision.
This is nothing to do with fan unity, this is one guy making a fundamental mistake of putting himself in the spotlight while having questionable activity on his twitter account.
Think how this can be used against us, think how this might go down with other fans groups that we're trying to engage with.
This isn't a witch hunt, this is a matter od serious concern. He probably is a good guy who's made a poor error of judgement, but the campaign(s) against the owners have started to get national media coverage, this sort of thing could seriously undermine it.

I think being in the spotlight as an individual here, very much at the front of the campaign, is key.

Haven't seen the tweets, but if they are indeed truly abhorrent, then Steve should take a step back.

Fine if he wants to be part of the protest, but I would say not at the forefront of the protest .

 

[clint van damme]

I think being in the spotlight as an individual here, very much at the front of the campaign, is key.

Haven't seen the tweets, but if they are indeed truly abhorrent, then Steve should take a step back.

Fine if he wants to be part of the protest, but I would say not at the forefront of the protest .

Yep he should, and as a condition of that I would actually ask Nick to pull this thread.
That may come across as a little underhand and brushing the issue under the carpet, but trust me I abhor racism and sectarianism, however, I'm not naïve enough to think that there aren't many others in our support who unfortunately share these views.
But we're in a battle for our club and we need to be a lot smarter than this.

 

[theferret]

Witch-hunt.

Not surprised by it, we live in an age where somehow it is more important to be moralistic than it is moral, where what you think is considered more important than what you do. It doesn't matter if you're decent, charitable, generous and moderate in your actions; if you have a view or say something out of kilter you are jumped on and ostracised by the internet lynch mob; people who are so self-righteous that they have somehow appointed themselves as thought moderators and who consider themselves superior based not on what they do, but what they think.

I'm not far right, far from it. I'm not far left either. I'm just me. Nobody can know Steve really belives - and we're not even talking about things he has said, he is being judged by the people he listens to.

We're in danger of taking ourselves too seriously. Steve is not being asked to lead Brexit negotiations or to be a peace envoy to the Middle East, he is just trying to organise actions on behalf of a group of football supporters, a non-political group.

All a bit unncessary and unsavoury this imo.

 

[clint van damme]

Witch-hunt.

Not surprised by it, we live in an age where somehow it is more important to be moralistic than it is moral, where what you think is considered more important than what you do. It doesn't matter if you're decent, charitable, generous and moderate in your actions; if you have a view or say something out of kilter you are jumped on and ostracised by the internet lynch mob; people who are so self-righteous that they have somehow appointed themselves as thought moderators and who consider themselves superior based not on what they do, but what they think.

I'm not far right, far from it. I'm not far left either. I'm just me. Nobody can know Steve really belives - and we're not even talking about things he has said, he is being judged by the people he listens to.

We're in danger of taking ourselves too seriously. Steve is not being asked to lead Brexit negotiations or to be a peace envoy to the Middle East, he is just trying to organise actions on behalf of a group of football supporters, a non-political group.

All a bit unncessary and unsavoury this imo.

but this sort of thing will be used against him and that, ultimately, will undermine the campaign if he is seen as one of it's leaders/figure heads.
What ever the rights or wrong of that, it will undoubtedly happen.

 

[AndreasB]

Witch-hunt.

Not surprised by it, we live in an age where somehow it is more important to be moralistic than it is moral, where what you think is considered more important than what you do. It doesn't matter if you're decent, charitable, generous and moderate in your actions; if you have a view or say something out of kilter you are jumped on and ostracised by the internet lynch mob; people who are so self-righteous that they have somehow appointed themselves as thought moderators and who consider themselves superior based not on what they do, but what they think.

I'm not far right, far from it. I'm not far left either. I'm just me. Nobody can know Steve really belives - and we're not even talking about things he has said, he is being judged by the people he listens to.

We're in danger of taking ourselves too seriously. Steve is not being asked to lead Brexit negotiations or to be a peace envoy to the Middle East, he is just trying to organise actions on behalf of a group of football supporters, a non-political group.

All a bit unncessary and unsavoury this imo.

Good old Steve.

 

[torchomatic]

Witch-hunt.

Not surprised by it, we live in an age where somehow it is more important to be moralistic than it is moral, where what you think is considered more important than what you do. It doesn't matter if you're decent, charitable, generous and moderate in your actions; if you have a view or say something out of kilter you are jumped on and ostracised by the internet lynch mob; people who are so self-righteous that they have somehow appointed themselves as thought moderators and who consider themselves superior based not on what they do, but what they think.

I'm not far right, far from it. I'm not far left either. I'm just me. Nobody can know Steve really belives - and we're not even talking about things he has said, he is being judged by the people he listens to.

We're in danger of taking ourselves too seriously. Steve is not being asked to lead Brexit negotiations or to be a peace envoy to the Middle East, he is just trying to organise actions on behalf of a group of football supporters, a non-political group.

All a bit unncessary and unsavoury this imo.

 

[martcov]

Witch-hunt.

Not surprised by it, we live in an age where somehow it is more important to be moralistic than it is moral, where what you think is considered more important than what you do. It doesn't matter if you're decent, charitable, generous and moderate in your actions; if you have a view or say something out of kilter you are jumped on and ostracised by the internet lynch mob; people who are so self-righteous that they have somehow appointed themselves as thought moderators and who consider themselves superior based not on what they do, but what they think.

I'm not far right, far from it. I'm not far left either. I'm just me. Nobody can know Steve really belives - and we're not even talking about things he has said, he is being judged by the people he listens to.

We're in danger of taking ourselves too seriously. Steve is not being asked to lead Brexit negotiations or to be a peace envoy to the Middle East, he is just trying to organise actions on behalf of a group of football supporters, a non-political group.

All a bit unncessary and unsavoury this imo.

He was involved in an offer to discuss taking control of CCFC. He resigned from the Trust to lead / organise a group of people involved in a non political dispute.

By him following a row of unsavoury or extremely biased groups and tweeting and retweeting his and their comments, we do actually have a good idea of his views.

He tried, through the Trust, to start difficult negotiations with SISU and was promptly snubbed.

SISU are definitely annoyed - I think rattled - by the loud and well publicised protests at their mismanagement. They have every right to criticise those criticising themselves.

They also have a legal department, contacts to hordes of lawyers and a sizeable budget which could be used to finance a counter attack.

I assume this site is in some way monitored. I also assume that my profile on here has been viewed. I may be wrong, but it is prudent to err on the side of caution.

You will not find anything about Joy's private life on the internet that she has not approved ( she cannot delete the court criticisms ). Tim will also be shielded. When we are openly criticising the owners about " fit and proper " ownership, we cannot allow the possibility of our own failings - in this case unsavoury views being associated with one of the campaign leaders - being twisted round and used as evidence against us. Steve has left himself open to criticism which deflects from the cause.

That is the problem.

And on a personal note, I don't like the people and groups that he tweets and retweets and I am sure that most other fans don't ( cannot prove it though ).

It is not unsavoury to criticise unsavoury views. It is a necessity if we are to coexist peacefully.

 

[torchomatic]

We're in danger of taking ourselves too seriously. Steve is not being asked to lead Brexit negotiations or to be a peace envoy to the Middle East, he is just trying to organise actions on behalf of a group of football supporters, a non-political group.

All a bit unncessary and unsavoury this imo.

No, he's not in politics or anything he is "just" fronting a fan action group using Jimmy Hill's name. Our fan base isn't just a load of middle aged white blokes. We live in a multicultural city and have a multicultural fan base. Anyone who puts themselves in the spot light has to be careful of what they tweet - or retweet. It wasn't just a bit of UKIP stuff, it was racist material from Britain First and other far right groups. If you're comfortable with that, then fine. If all the others on here are comfortable with that, then fine. I'm just talking about this from my own personal point of view and I think his views are incompatible with the position he is taking, the name he is using and the wide ranging fan base he is representing.

 

[AndreasB]

Nick, kill the thread. Steve has deleted his tweets and locked his account. The damage has been done. The march shouldnt be tainted by him or his personal views any more.

 

[torchomatic]

Nick, kill the thread. Steve has deleted his tweets and locked his account. The damage has been done. The march shouldnt be tainted by him or his personal views any more.

I think it should be kept open. Deleting the thread is akin to hoping this will all go away and be forgotten. It will be eventually, but let's not help him hide his views.

 

[skybluetony176]

Witch-hunt.

Not surprised by it, we live in an age where somehow it is more important to be moralistic than it is moral, where what you think is considered more important than what you do. It doesn't matter if you're decent, charitable, generous and moderate in your actions; if you have a view or say something out of kilter you are jumped on and ostracised by the internet lynch mob; people who are so self-righteous that they have somehow appointed themselves as thought moderators and who consider themselves superior based not on what they do, but what they think.

I'm not far right, far from it. I'm not far left either. I'm just me. Nobody can know Steve really belives - and we're not even talking about things he has said, he is being judged by the people he listens to.

We're in danger of taking ourselves too seriously. Steve is not being asked to lead Brexit negotiations or to be a peace envoy to the Middle East, he is just trying to organise actions on behalf of a group of football supporters, a non-political group.

All a bit unncessary and unsavoury this imo.

That's pretty much how I see it. I don't have EDL views myself but unless he starts handing out EDL literature at the march I'm struggling to see why people are connecting the EDL with it.

 

[clint van damme]

That's pretty much how I see it. I don't have EDL views myself but unless he starts handing out EDL literature at the march I'm struggling to see why people are connecting the EDL with it.

That's extremely naïve Tony.

 

[ajsccfc]

I don't think it's fair to say that anyone who is friends with this fella or backs him with regards to this protest is endorsing any of the alarming public posts he made, but I do think it makes him unsuitable for a position that can easily be scrutinised or smeared if it came to it.

 

[skybluetony176]

That's extremely naïve Tony.

Why? Are you expecting him to be using the march as an opportunity to promote EDL ideology?

 

[letsallsingtogether]

That's extremely naïve Tony.

No it is not.
People with different views on our football club have decided to put it on themselves to discredit anyone they are as opposing there views.
Anyone who believes that andreasb was just resurching so as to make up his or herons on whether to take part in the March is being naive.
Gunn how andreasb was spouting all this shit for a couple of weeks now and all of a sudden has decided now is the time to bring it out with a bang.
So Steve will take a back seat.
The fight will go on.
Then you wonder why people don't want to be at the forefront of these City groups all they get is abuse.
Andreasb you and you will not shut is up until Sisu have gone, funny thing is when they do I suspect you will not be far behind.
PUSB

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Why? Are you expecting him to be using the march as an opportunity to promote EDL ideology?

Because it fits there agenda.

 

[AndreasB]

Why? Are you expecting him to be using the march as an opportunity to promote EDL ideology?

This is why you should close the thread Nick.

 

[skybluetony176]

This is why you should close the thread Nick.

Why? Because the question is to difficult for you to answer?

 

[AndreasB]

No it is not.
People with different views on our football club have decided to put it on themselves to discredit anyone they are as opposing there views.
Anyone who believes that andreasb was just resurching so as to make up his or herons on whether to take part in the March is being naive.
Gunn how andreasb was spouting all this shit for a couple of weeks now and all of a sudden has decided now is the time to bring it out with a bang.
So Steve will take a back seat.
The fight will go on.
Then you wonder why people don't want to be at the forefront of these City groups all they get is abuse.
Andreasb you and you will not shut is up until Sisu have gone, funny thing is when they do I suspect you will not be far behind.
PUSB

Your just upset your mate has been found out . Wish you were half as upset at the content he posts.

As for "all they get is abuse" - Retweeting Tommy Robinson sort of asks for it. Dont see Jan or Moz or any of the others in SBT posting that shite.

 

[torchomatic]

Why? Are you expecting him to be using the march as an opportunity to promote EDL ideology?

Of course not, no. But should someone with those views use Jimmy Hill's name and be a fan representative? Can someone with those views seriously represent our broad-ranging fan base? This isn't just a "leave poor old Steve alone" issue.

 

[martcov]

Why? Are you expecting him to be using the march as an opportunity to promote EDL ideology?

No one has suggested that. Read my posts as an example. He can have his views. That is not the point. He has put himself in the limelight and can be attacked for his unsavory connections. We need to be squeaky clean and extremely professional. This Twitter saga shows that we are far from it.

 

[clint van damme]

No it is not.
People with different views on our football club have decided to put it on themselves to discredit anyone they are as opposing there views.
Anyone who believes that andreasb was just resurching so as to make up his or herons on whether to take part in the March is being naive.
Gunn how andreasb was spouting all this shit for a couple of weeks now and all of a sudden has decided now is the time to bring it out with a bang.
So Steve will take a back seat.
The fight will go on.
Then you wonder why people don't want to be at the forefront of these City groups all they get is abuse.
Andreasb you and you will not shut is up until Sisu have gone, funny thing is when they do I suspect you will not be far behind.
PUSB

Of course it's naive! So if he's a plant, or someone with an agenda, this has just made it very easy for him.
The campaign against sisu is now getting national coverage, surely you can see the need to present an appropriate image in the media.

 

[clint van damme]

Why? Are you expecting him to be using the march as an opportunity to promote EDL ideology?

No, but I'm expecting people who want to discredit the campaign against sisu to use this as a stick to beat us all with, if you think they won't then you're naïve.

 

[Nick]

It's a tricky one, Steve didn't hide his views so it isn't like somebody has broken into his house and found loads of EDL magazines knocking about and stuff in a secret stash. So it is a tough one about people saying delete the thread etc as it was a public thing.

Whilst I don't agree with Steve's views, I am a bit uncomfortable with an all out assault on him personally. Yes, the tweets aren't nice and are wrong and I'd sit on here all day and have digs at him about him being a Wasps lover, council lover and if it came out he was getting brown envelopes from the council I'd have a field day. (I am not saying he is, just an example about being CCFC and how I'd rather just fire sky blue shots at people).

I don't agree with lots of people on here when it comes to CCFC, but I think there is still a line that I (personally) would have when it comes to using as ammo against them. Just because somebody disagrees with me about CCFC, I wouldn't want to start using something that could potentially damage them away from CCFC politics.

I am a bit surprised not much has been mentioned about it in the past, or somebody hasn't sort of had a quiet word to say "Look, obviously you can have your views but that sort of stuff will get thrown at you". A good example was Simon Gilbert the other week when somebody had a dig at him with regards to CCFC Stuff, he searched for racist stuff from years ago on their profile and reported it to the bloke's employer.

Yes, I don't agree with Steve on 99% of the stuff he posts but when it could potentially start damaging people outside of "bickering about CCFC online" then I am not that comfortable with it. Then again, he wasn't forced to tweet things but they are his own views which he is entitled to have and they were completely public for anybody to see.

I can see why he wouldn't be right heading something up, as any "opposition" in anything would always use something like this and it is easy pickings isn't it.

 

[skybluetony176]

At the end of the day any march I may or may not go on in support of regime change at CCFC will be just that, support of regime change at CCFC. I won't be marching in support of Steve and I certainly won't be marching in support of any right wing views he may have same as I wouldn't be supporting any socialist views he may have if he was a Corbin supporter. It clearly suits some on here to blur the lines and I would question their motives before Steve's as I know as we all do where this march is concerned his only motive is concern over the future of CCFC. If he turns up wearing a white sheet handing out EDL propaganda I'll be the first to call him a c**t and I'll walk the other way. Until then I'll be going on any march for CCFC before any games I attend should one be happening.

 

[Nick]

At the end of the day any march I may or may not go on in support of regime change at CCFC will be just that, support of regime change at CCFC. I won't be marching in support of Steve and I certainly won't be marching in support of any right wing views he may have same as I wouldn't be supporting any socialist views he may have if he was a Corbin supporter. It clearly suits some on here to blur the lines and I would question their motives before Steve's as I know as we all do where this march is concerned his only motive is concern over the future of CCFC. If he turns up wearing a white sheet handing out EDL propaganda I'll be the first to call him a c**t and I'll walk the other way. Until then I'll be going on any march for CCFC before any games I attend should one be happening.

I don't think anybody is saying that if you go to a march you agree with all of his views on life and it would be wrong to say that. It is like saying LAST or BHSB share his views because they are his mate, which is also totally wrong.

I think it is more the impression it would give with him "heading" it up. Simple answer is to just chuck somebody else in front of the camera / reporters, doesn't mean at all he can't be involved and doing things with it. Pretty much the same as before, just without a title of "leader", which let's face it doesn't really mean too much anyway does it?

 

[clint van damme]

At the end of the day any march I may or may not go on in support of regime change at CCFC will be just that, support of regime change at CCFC. I won't be marching in support of Steve and I certainly won't be marching in support of any right wing views he may have same as I wouldn't be supporting any socialist views he may have if he was a Corbin supporter. It clearly suits some on here to blur the lines and I would question their motives before Steve's as I know as we all do where this march is concerned his only motive is concern over the future of CCFC. If he turns up wearing a white sheet handing out EDL propaganda I'll be the first to call him a c**t and I'll walk the other way. Until then I'll be going on any march for CCFC before any games I attend should one be happening.

The thing is, the campaign is working, I'm convinced fisher raised the issue of the trusts accounts on instruction because they're getting rattled, but this can undo all the good work.
To think this won't be used against the campaign is living in clod cuckoo land. To think this won't alienate individuals or other supporters groups who may otherwise have supported us is living in cloud cuckoo land.

It would be a shame to undo all the good work that has so far gone on.

 

[torchomatic]

Looks like he has deleted his Twitter account now anyway, so the last bit of tidying up has been done.

 

[skybluetony176]

The thing is, the campaign is working, I'm convinced fisher raised the issue of the trusts accounts on instruction because they're getting rattled, but this can undo all the good work.
To think this won't be used against the campaign is living in clod cuckoo land. To think this won't alienate individuals or other supporters groups who may otherwise have supported us is living in cloud cuckoo land.

It would be a shame to undo all the good work that has so far gone on.

The reaction to Steve's views away from CCFC is also another indication that the protests are working. Why indulge them in distraction. Focus on the march. Anything outside that is Steve's to deal with.

 

[skybluetony176]

I don't think anybody is saying that if you go to a march you agree with all of his views on life and it would be wrong to say that. It is like saying LAST or BHSB share his views because they are his mate, which is also totally wrong.

I think it is more the impression it would give with him "heading" it up. Simple answer is to just chuck somebody else in front of the camera / reporters, doesn't mean at all he can't be involved and doing things with it. Pretty much the same as before, just without a title of "leader", which let's face it doesn't really mean too much anyway does it?

"Not in my name" is the phrase that I think the ring leader in this witch hunt used. It's a classic if you can't attack the point attack the man.

 

[Esoterica]

The reaction to Steve's views away from CCFC is also another indication that the protests are working. Why indulge them in distraction. Focus on the march. Anything outside that is Steve's to deal with.

Is it fuck. It's an indication you're a white male who isn't in any way affected or impacted by Steve's views. If you had ever been subjected to abuse caused by ignorance regarding the colour of your skin then you would understand why marching alongside a leader publically promoting such views transcends a protest about a football team. No-one is saying the march should stop or the fight against SISU should stop. We need to unify the fanbase - a leader of the group trying to do that whilst sharing those views has immediately failed at that task.

 

[AndreasB]

"Not in my name" is the phrase that I think the ring leader in this witch hunt used. It's a classic if you can't attack the point attack the man.

Wow, that's thick and ignorant even by your standards.



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