New SISU Article. (12 Viewers)

[I was eleven in 87]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/nov/05/coventry-city-sisu-southampton

 

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[Esoterica]

"Onye, it’s a fucking elephant.’”

 

[Hadji10]

That elephant quote can't be true.... Surely?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

That elephant quote can't be true.... Surely?

Heard it before.

 

[skybluetony176]

Yeah they've really got to go and we've got to keep telling them until they start taking notice.

 

[ccfc92]

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ventry-city-sisu-southampton?CMP=share_btn_tw

 

[italiahorse]

Southampton dodged a bullet and we got it right between the eyes.

 

[ccfc92]

Apparently SISU turned down Saints??

 

[ccfc92]

Is it the Guardian that Les Reid writes for?

 

[chiefdave]

I love when people come out with things like this

On the one hand, there is a Southampton side that have just beaten Internazionale to show, again, why they should be regarded as the prime example of what can happen at a medium-sized club that applies common sense, a sound business structure, makes shrewd appointments and understands what a football team means to the local community.

How is having an owner who is prepared to put in, and write off, tens of millions common sense and a sound business structure.

 

[rupert_bear]

Southampton dodged a bullet and we got it right between the eyes.

I would say in the back

 

[skybluetony176]

I love when people come out with things like this
How is having an owner who is prepared to put in, and write off, tens of millions common sense and a sound business structure.

Good point. Let's all forgive SISU. It's everyone else's business structure that is to blame:rolls eyes:

 

[stupot07]

I love when people come out with things like this
How is having an owner who is prepared to put in, and write off, tens of millions common sense and a sound business structure.

There's an interesting comment further down:

"The saddest thing is, Coventry are hardly alone in being ruined by unscrupulous owners. Sure, their difficulties are particularly pronounced, but just have a look around.
Villa, Forest, Leeds, Fulham, Charlton, Blackpool, Blackburn, Newcastle, Sunderland, Cardiff, Northampton, Portsmouth - all have suffered, or continue to suffer, from gross mismanagement inside the last 5 years.
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Us, Blackpool and Portsmouth granted, but the others? I wouldn't say villa are poorly managed, just that Lerner's isn't throwing in loads of cash anymore, ditto Newcastle.


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[Speedies_Chips]

There's an interesting comment further down:

"The saddest thing is, Coventry are hardly alone in being ruined by unscrupulous owners. Sure, their difficulties are particularly pronounced, but just have a look around.
Villa, Forest, Leeds, Fulham, Charlton, Blackpool, Blackburn, Newcastle, Sunderland, Cardiff, Northampton, Portsmouth - all have suffered, or continue to suffer, from gross mismanagement inside the last 5 years.
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Us, Blackpool and Portsmouth granted, but the others? I wouldn't say villa are poorly managed, just that Lerner's isn't throwing in loads of cash anymore, ditto Newcastle.

The main reason that Lerner doesn't throw in loads of cash anymore is probably because he isn't the owner.

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[stupot07]

He was when they got relegated.

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[Speedies_Chips]

There's an interesting comment further down:

"The saddest thing is, Coventry are hardly alone in being ruined by unscrupulous owners. Sure, their difficulties are particularly pronounced, but just have a look around.
Villa, Forest, Leeds, Fulham, Charlton, Blackpool, Blackburn, Newcastle, Sunderland, Cardiff, Northampton, Portsmouth - all have suffered, or continue to suffer, from gross mismanagement inside the last 5 years.
."

Us, Blackpool and Portsmouth granted, but the others? I wouldn't say villa are poorly managed, just that Lerner's isn't throwing in loads of cash anymore, ditto Newcastle.

I wouldn't say Sunderland have suffered from "gross mismangement". Yes, they have struggled at the wrong end of the table, but that is purely down to not having good enough players compared to the other clubs. In a league of 20 teams , someone has to be down there. Their owners may not throw the same amount of money at it as the others, but that doesn't constitute gross mis-management.

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[Captain Dart]

There you have it, clear evidence about the quality of SISU management.

 

[Astute]

There you have it, clear evidence about the quality of SISU management.

Management? More like mismanagement.

At least my little boy doesn't have a clue. He thinks his football team is the best :shifty:

 

[ceetee]

Good point. Let's all forgive SISU. It's everyone else's business structure that is to blame:rolls eyes:

What a stupid comment.

He's not saying SISU are right

Just because SISU are toxic it doesn't make everyone else perfect

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Apparently SISU turned down Saints??

As I mentioned on the other thread, the board of SFC were divided over how much money they wanted from the deal. That's why it didn't go ahead.


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[Skyblueweeman]

Good point. Let's all forgive SISU. It's everyone else's business structure that is to blame:rolls eyes:

I think the point is that SFC haven't necessarily got where they have just by the processes mentioned in the article (like a good structure).

The millions pumped in also helped. Like I said on the other thread, how many clubs in L1 spend a million on a player like SFC did when they bought Rickie Lambert?

Many clubs get into troubles because of overspending. CCFC being the prime example. SFC have spent millions but have managed to do well from it.

Their success isn't only good structure.


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[Deleted member 5849]

I think the point is that SFC haven't necessarily got where they have just by the processes mentioned in the article (like a good structure).

The millions pumped in also helped. Like I said on the other thread, how many clubs in L1 spend a million on a player like SFC did when they bought Rickie Lambert?

Many clubs get into troubles because of overspending. CCFC being the prime example. SFC have spent millions but have managed to do well from it.

Their success isn't only good structure.

It opens up the wider issue, that really, really needs addressing by all fans coming together, that football in this country breaks in that it's all founded on punts for success.

So you attract monied loons with cash burning a hole in their pocket, or carpetbaggers such as SISU. Even in the top flight, the Glazers, the Liverpool lot etc are all taking a punt. If it fails? The wheels come off a club.

And this is as we loosen controls, so owners (all of them) have little affinity to the club they own. In the past, if an owner ballsed up there appeared generally an acknowledgement it was their responsibility to pass the club on... as responsibly as possible. Now it's just the roll of the dice as to whether you get good random or bad random popping up.

So add to that list clubs such as Man Utd, who are levereged dangerously. Sport shouldn't be business, it should be emotion.

 

[chiefdave]

Good point. Let's all forgive SISU. It's everyone else's business structure that is to blame:rolls eyes:

That's absolutely nothing like what I posted. The author is the article is praising Southampton for their common sense an sound business structure. Yet their success has been based on having an owner prepared to put millions in, millions that the club itself doesn't generate. Take the emotion of football out of it and translate that to any other business, would you say it was common sense to operate that way?

 

[chiefdave]

It opens up the wider issue, that really, really needs addressing by all fans coming together, that football in this country breaks in that it's all founded on punts for success.

Exactly. Strict rules need to be put in to place to force every club to live within its means. Its great saying put money in hoping for promotion but if 20 teams have the same plan and 3 go up there's going to be plenty of others getting themselves into a mess.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

It opens up the wider issue, that really, really needs addressing by all fans coming together, that football in this country breaks in that it's all founded on punts for success.

So you attract monied loons with cash burning a hole in their pocket, or carpetbaggers such as SISU. Even in the top flight, the Glazers, the Liverpool lot etc are all taking a punt. If it fails? The wheels come off a club.

And this is as we loosen controls, so owners (all of them) have little affinity to the club they own. In the past, if an owner ballsed up there appeared generally an acknowledgement it was their responsibility to pass the club on... as responsibly as possible. Now it's just the roll of the dice as to whether you get good random or bad random popping up.

So add to that list clubs such as Man Utd, who are levereged dangerously. Sport shouldn't be business, it should be emotion.

Couldn't of put it better myself NW. The problem we have is that when the PL can sell their TV rights for £5b globally, club ownership issues are towards the bottom of the pile.

Unfortunately, it's going to take a sizeable club to got out of business for the powers that be to take notice. Until that happens and the revenue keeps rolling in, the status quo will remain and clubs will take those punts you mention on a regular basis in the hope that they'll do a Southampton rather than a Coventry City.

Money roulette...


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[skybluetony176]

That's absolutely nothing like what I posted. The author is the article is praising Southampton for their common sense an sound business structure. Yet their success has been based on having an owner prepared to put millions in, millions that the club itself doesn't generate. Take the emotion of football out of it and translate that to any other business, would you say it was common sense to operate that way?

It's the only thing you picked out though from an article that shows our owners in a true light. I was more bothered about the SISU effect on CCFC than Southampton's owners business acumen.

 

[blueflint]

Yeah they've really got to go and we've got to keep telling them until they start taking notice.

don't tell nick that

 

[skybluetony176]

don't tell nick that

Nick? Oh, you mean the leader of the doing it the Neville Chamberlain way protest group

 

[bawtryneal]

Is it really about business acumen or just having the balls and funds available to take a punt.

 

[Nick]

Nick? Oh, you mean the leader of the doing it the Neville Chamberlain way protest group

At least you got a like off jack, another who doesn't bother.

 

[Tonylinc]

It's probably a bit of both. I am sick and tired of people on here telling me that it is no good Sisu going as there is nobody else waiting in the wings to come in which is rubbish. OK they may not have the funds to throw at the team but I for one would support them if they were honest enough to tell us and promised to invest as much as possible from receipts.

 

[Nick]

It's probably a bit of both. I am sick and tired of people on here telling me that it is no good Sisu going as there is nobody else waiting in the wings to come in which is rubbish. OK they may not have the funds to throw at the team but I for one would support them if they were honest enough to tell us and promised to invest as much as possible from receipts.

Honest enough to tell you they were running it break even?

 

[chickentikkamasala]

Honest enough to tell you they were running it break even?

3 cheers for SISU.. running us break even..........

and running us into the ground

 

[singers_pore]

Exactly. Strict rules need to be put in to place to force every club to live within its means. Its great saying put money in hoping for promotion but if 20 teams have the same plan and 3 go up there's going to be plenty of others getting themselves into a mess.

You might want to check your facts before posting utter shite.

Last year Soton made 15 million in profits. The year before that, they made 24 million in profits.

But, hey, don't like the facts get in the way of your ignorant deflection of blame away from SISU.

 

[skybluetony176]

At least you got a like off jack, another who doesn't bother.

I hear doing it the Neville Chamberlain way have a protest organised. Apparently you've ordered a load of white flags for everyone to wave on the 38th minute of the game.