SISU/Otium (26 Viewers)

[Moff]

Where have I said that you can't?... Torchy was going on about it being alright to slag off SISU but not CCC. I pointed out he, Nick, and Grendel to name but 3 always do it. He then said Yes just 3 so I named another 4-5 that do it, you being one. Not lying am I? Just doing a "Nick" "For Balance" like.

I suppose so if you explain it like that, and so I apologise for the aggression.

I read it more that you were implying that I was one of the SISU loving Council haters, and that is why I was incensed as that is not the case. That is why I was angry.

As it is we no longer have a reason to argue

 

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[Sky Blue Kid]

Is this the old Fisher is a liar game again?

I don't know Nick... Ask Grenduffy, he's the one saying Fisher doesn't believe what he himself is saying!

 

[dongonzalos]

I can't be bothered with all that bullshit but just answer one question - if they were that concerned about the charity why didn't they extend the lease when they were still part owners? Answer that then I'll start on the other ill informed tripe you've posted

Simple the charity have always stated they did not want to be in it long term.
Also SISU forcing the issue and doing what they were doing was a complete game changer.
Unfortunately they didn't know where to stop and pushed way way too far. Allowing someone else to Jump in.
I honestly think if they put in a decent offer when they received that ultimatum
Yes they would have paid more than Wasps but they would have still got a bargain.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

I suppose so if you explain it like that, and so I apologise for the aggression.

I read it more that you were implying that I was one of the SISU loving Council haters, and that is why I was incensed as that is not the case. That is why I was angry.

As it is we no longer have a reason to argue

No problem Moff, but it does pay to look back over the thread first

 

[dongonzalos]

Did you not see the video posted on here a few days ago where Tim was laughed at by saying 7000 will come? He looked serious about it, and pissed off when the room started laughing.

He completely believed it.
The crowds and the Wasps deal combined brought us back.
They couldn't sustain the loses at Northampton and they shit it when they got wind of Wasps. They needed to be back as getting stuck in Northampton if Wasps said they are not interested in having them back would have been disaster.
Also coming back and trying to bid hoping the Wasps deal hadn't gone too far was the only option (IMO)

 

[skybluebeduff]

I know what it means. As i said are you saying Ricoh attendees taking their kids to see the team they support are being unassertive and not standing to up for the rights of those who just go to away games like you or are doing the NOPM thing?

By going we and thousands of others are accepting "wrong"?

No, you've twisted it all from the start, all I've mentioned it what I've implemented onto my own children, which proceeded with you and Hoff going on one by what I've said thinking it should be implemented onto others, which I've not even said.

Do as thou wilt torch, if my kids don't like another kid at school, i don't expect them to send them a xmas card, same logic with SISU, they shouldn't expect me to hand that company money.

The End

 

[Nick]

No, you've twisted it all from the start, all I've mentioned it what I've implemented onto my own children, which proceeded with you and Hoff going on one by what I've said thinking it should be implemented onto others, which I've not even said.

Do as thou wilt torch, if my kids don't like another kid at school, i don't expect them to send them a xmas card, same logic with SISU, they shouldn't expect me to hand that company money.

The End

Have you explained to them how buying a ticket or shirt is handing money to SISU then?

 

[torchomatic]

No, you've twisted it all from the start, all I've mentioned it what I've implemented onto my own children, which proceeded with you and Hoff going on one by what I've said thinking it should be implemented onto others, which I've not even said.

Do as thou wilt torch, if my kids don't like another kid at school, i don't expect them to send them a xmas card, same logic with SISU, they shouldn't expect me to hand that company money.

The End

But by using "principles" and "assertive" for your own kids and the fact you only go to away games you label others or why say it in the first place. If I said something similar about NOPM, etc I'm sure people would have a go and rightly so. I respect what others do and they must respect those who's views or actions differ to theirs. I've not twisted anything, I've just thrown your words back at you.

And you're doing it again with the "hand that company money line". You'll be saying morals next.

If you do want it to be "the end" then don't throw words about and not expect people to react.

 

[skybluebeduff]

Have you explained to them how buying a ticket or shirt is handing money to SISU then?

Not to that effect no. The irony of my stance, and then others who seem to be against what I tell my own children is rather funny.

 

[skybluebeduff]

But by using "principles" and "assertive" for your own kids and the fact you only go to away games you label others or why say it in the first place. If I said something similar about NOPM, etc I'm sure people would have a go and rightly so. I respect what others do and they must respect those who's views or actions differ to theirs. I've not twisted anything, I've just thrown your words back at you.

And you're doing it again with the "hand that company money line". You'll be saying morals next.

If you do want it to be "the end" then don't throw words about and not expect people to react.

You've reacted over nothing, lets be honest, in no way does what I do effect you...

 

[Grendel]

Are you watching Grenduffy???? post #204. Now come back and say he didn't believe what he was saying!!!

No he didn't - unless he also believed building a statue of Seppalla.

 

[torchomatic]

You've reacted over nothing, lets be honest, in no way does what I do effect you...

True. And vice versa. Difference is, I don't judge your personal stance on attending home matches.

 

[skybluebeduff]

True. And vice versa. Difference is, I don't judge your personal stance on attending home matches.

And I don't see where I've slated or judged any Ricoh attendee either, at all.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

No he didn't - unless he also believed building a statue of Seppalla.

So in your context, Fisher lied when he said "We're going to Sixfields"??? I take it we didn't go then!

 

[skybluebeduff]

Question:

“The football club needs somewhere to play – we have at least two more years at the Ricoh and could extend if needed. We want to play in Coventry and not outside.

“In terms of Wasps’ position on us playing there, our rent is welcome to them, but it is impossible for them to give us exactly what we need. We need to be a self-sustainable club, we need access to all the matchday revenues.”

Mr Fisher also expanded on plans for a potential ground share at the Butts Park Arena, insisting the move would leave them in a better financial position than currently at the Ricoh Arena.

He cited revenue of £75,000 from matches at the Ricoh with £72,000 from food and beverage and £3,000 for car parking.

He said: “We would receive 100 per cent revenues on CCFC matchdays, Coventry RFC would receive 100 per cent on their matchdays. The current deal at the Ricoh is 15 per cent anyway and cannot be changed, and we have zero access to non-matchday facilities.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-city-chairman-tim-fisher-11422382

Does that mean we only get 15% revenue on a matchday? And does that mean that the owners Wasps receive money from CCFC ticket sales?

 

[Grendel]

Question:



Does that mean we only get 15% revenue on a matchday? And does that mean that the owners Wasps receive money from CCFC ticket sales?

He's talking food revenues.

 

[Grendel]

So in your context, Fisher lied when he said "We're going to Sixfields"??? I take it we didn't go then!

What has that to do with anything? Despite the widely held view on here fisher is not stupid. He and waggott would have looked at other clubs who've moved and realised the impact that would have on support.

Every game at a 70 mile round trip would decimate attendances. The exact reference was classic fisher "they will come" it's a throw away gallery remark that would have had no impact when budget planning.

 

[skybluebeduff]

He's talking food revenues.

He's clearly saying it's about all match day revenues, he doesn't specifically say just food revenue. Or maybe you're right, seems odd why he never made it specific.

 

[Nick]

Not to that effect no. The irony of my stance, and then others who seem to be against what I tell my own children is rather funny.

I haven't said I'm against anything, they are your kids

I was only asking.

 

[Grendel]

He's clearly saying it's about all match day revenues, he doesn't specifically say just food revenue. Or maybe you're right, seems odd why he never made it specific.

He's talking about non ticket related income which we receive 15% of at ccfc games

 

[Nick]

He's clearly saying it's about all match day revenues, he doesn't specifically say just food revenue. Or maybe you're right, seems odd why he never made it specific.

It doesn't mean tickets. Food, car park etc.

 

[skybluetony176]

So in your context, Fisher lied when he said "We're going to Sixfields"??? I take it we didn't go then!

Tim Fisher only lies when it suits

 

[Brylowes]

He's clearly saying it's about all match day revenues, he doesn't specifically say just food revenue. Or maybe you're right, seems odd why he never made it specific.

No it's F&B he says they received £72.000 for F&B and £3000 parking, goes on to
Say it's 15% but would get 100% at the butts on our match day.
Is it £150.000 p/a rent ? Because if it is you would have to say that's a cracking deal.

 

[Nick]

No it's F&B he says they received £72.000 for F&B and £3000 parking, goes on to
Say it's 15% but would get 100% at the butts on our match day.
Is it £150.000 p/a rent ? Because if it is you would have to say that's a cracking deal.

Then match day costs.

 

[Grendel]

Tim Fisher only lies when it suits

When it suits you Tony?

Still wondering about these posters who only ever post after sisu court cases - made that up did we?

 

[Brylowes]

What has that to do with anything? Despite the widely held view on here fisher is not stupid. He and waggott would have looked at other clubs who've moved and realised the impact that would have on support.

Every game at a 70 mile round trip would decimate attendances. The exact reference was classic fisher "they will come" it's a throw away gallery remark that would have had no impact when budget planning.

No it's a calculated prediction by a man who's remit would have been to calculate
Such things, he did it on camera and everything about his body language says he
Believed what he was saying.
Just another fuck up in a long line of fuck ups,

 

[Brylowes]

Then match day costs.

They must have that pretty low, what with half the ground mothballed, I'm only
Surprised they haven't tried turning off half the floodlights" for night matches.

 

[skybluetony176]

When it suits you Tony?

Still wondering about these posters who only ever post after sisu court cases - made that up did we?

Ha ha ha. You're the one picking and choosing what is a Timmy lie and truth.

Didn't make anything up. If you don't believe that there's SISU puppets on here you're every bit the Muppet I take you for.

 

[Grendel]

No it's a calculated prediction by a man who's remit would have been to calculate
Such things, he did it on camera and everything about his body language says he
Believed what he was saying.
Just another fuck up in a long line of fuck ups,

But they didn't budget for that - the level of income put in showed a budgeted figure of far less - otherwise we'd have had a transfer embargo.

 

[Grendel]

Ha ha ha. You're the one picking and choosing what is a Timmy lie and truth.

Didn't make anything up. If you don't believe that there's SISU puppets on here you're every bit the Muppet I take you for.

Name and shame those puppets Tony? Are you scared to? PM me and I'll do it for you if you like.

 

[skybluetony176]

Name and shame those puppets Tony? Are you scared to? PM me and I'll do it for you if you like.

Not scared. Just don't see the point. Perhaps you're just too dumb to work it out for yourself.

 

[Grendel]

Not scared. Just don't see the point. Perhaps you're just too dumb to work it out for yourself.

So you lied - fair enough

 

[torchomatic]

Not scared. Just don't see the point. Perhaps you're just too dumb to work it out for yourself.

You believe there are people working for SISU (and maybe even CCC) on here?

 

[Brylowes]

But they didn't budget for that - the level of income put in showed a budgeted figure of far less - otherwise we'd have had a transfer embargo.

But he says if the team doesn't perform it'll be 3000 so they budgeted
For the worst case scenario.

 

[skybluetony176]

You believe there are people working for SISU (and maybe even CCC) on here?

Most likely.