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[Deleted member 5849]

But would they, and by they I mean fans not owners, want it?

Something worth finding out, for sure. Don't have any objections whatsoever with checking CRFC fans are on board with any plans.

As a slightly detached viewpoint, can't help but think Wasps coming in have made it a very real threat of shit or bust for CRFC, so they have to blink and try and do something, at least.

 

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[Sky Blue Kid]

Yawnnnnnn, Your having a laugh, it rarely sold out. I was a season ticket holder throughout, were you from Cardiff? and I can tell you even the Robbie Keane season we couldn't fill it.
Go get some facts....

I was a season ticket holder years before that 60's onward up to about 4 years ago and approx 8 years where I was playing football. I'm a proud Coventrian and covered thousands of miles following the team. So guess what Moff..... Move these as much as you like mate, you're trying to squirm around what I actually said and what was actually said by Mr Sharp.

 

[italiahorse]

Wrong with the facts again.

Architects plans were previously drawn up for a 25k ground. Do you know what the current plans are? are you one of CRFC's architects? are you on the panning committee? No, so why you quit bitching and wait to see what the plans are instead of frothing about facts that aren't even known yet.

I don't give a fuck about Fisher whilst you whine on about him, but I do care about CCFC. Sorry if that is distasteful to you, perhaps you should try it.

Nobody knows what the plans are. That's the point.
25K ? Where are these plans or evidence of them?
We need to start bitching or we get what Sisu wants not what we want.
You should care what TF says, he's the chairman of the club and will control it's destination. Remember Northampton ?

 

[Moff]

I think you're fucking nuts mate, had your meds yet?... I've always said if BPA ground share was a "Goer" I was all for it. I said with the proviso of a minimum 25k capacity. I also said by turning the ground 90 degrees it should just about accomodate 25k. I've also quoted Mr sharp(Owner of CRFC) saying 15k max no chance of 25k, wether there is any fucking potential of it being 25k is irrelevant!

Think I am nuts, and needs meds, that's rich you condescending twat. You said,

15k stadium is not, and will never, be big enough for CCFC. CRFC will not allow the increase to 25k. or even anywhere near it!

I asked you to state where it had been said that CRFC will not allow an increase to 25K. Its now been proven that is utter crap, and that architects have designed plans for a 25k stadium, as well as a 15K one. If there was no relevance for a 25k stadium, why did they get plans drawn up for one? Piss off now.

 

[Gosford Green]

Exactly but maybe the new owners if they indeed happen.

SISU would not invest to expand the current stadium, we will end up playing there as it is in the national league.

 

[Skybluefaz]

I think you're fucking nuts mate, had your meds yet?... I've always said if BPA ground share was a "Goer" I was all for it. I said with the proviso of a minimum 25k capacity. I also said by turning the ground 90 degrees it should just about accomodate 25k. I've also quoted Mr sharp(Owner of CRFC) saying 15k max no chance of 25k, wether there is any fucking potential of it being 25k is irrelevant!

He literally said 15k or above based on the football club. He never said 15k max.

 

[Moff]

I was a season ticket holder years before that 60's onward up to about 4 years ago and approx 8 years where I was playing football. I'm a proud Coventrian and covered thousands of miles following the team. So guess what Moff..... Move these as much as you like mate, you're trying to squirm around what I actually said.

Oooh goals post picture. That's original.
Got any facts yet about all those sell outs before we left Highfield Road.

 

[skybluetony176]

So on 'facts' are you stating that there is less revenue potential? What are our current revenues?

Were you another like Italia that moaned when we had a 23k capacity at Highfield road, when we were in the Premier League.

Potential 30+k of ticket sales and as we know ticket revenue is king at this level we're at. That's alot of pies that will have to be sold at BPA. If CRFC will own it like you suggest what non match day revenue will we have access to at BPA exactly? If CRFC do own it what interest do they have in building a stadium to grow with us? Will we have to move back to the Ricoh if we get new owners and the success that can only come once they've gone?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

He literally said 15k or above based on the football club. He never said 15k max.

He said 25k is too big so 15k it is.

 

[Moff]

Nobody knows what the plans are. That's the point.
25K ? Where are these plans or evidence of them?
We need to start bitching or we get what Sisu wants not what we want.
You should care what TF says, he's the chairman of the club and will control it's destination. Remember Northampton ?

Exactly the point. Why don't you wait to see what they are before frothing?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Oooh goals post picture. That's original.
Got any facts yet about all those sell outs before we left Highfield Road.

Your fucking nuts! what you on about now?

 

[wingy]

So surely the fact it'd be led by CRFC would give you hope...?

Would it??
If so what hope.
How do CRFC fans know that Jon Sharp Isn't next Bryan Richardson.
I think we're close to finding out how Fisher gets his pay off.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

How do CRFC fans know that Jon Sharp Isn't next Bryan Richardson.

Genuine question - is he?

In the context of my point, it was more about SISU not being around and about to do any building but, well, yours is a far more interesting discussion than all this bollocks filling this thread just atm.

 

[Moff]

Potential 30+k of ticket sales and as we know ticket revenue is king at this level we're at. That's alot of pies that will have to be sold at BPA. If CRFC will own it like you suggest what non match day revenue will we have access to at BPA exactly? If CRFC do own it what interest do they have in building a stadium to grow with us? Will we have to move back to the Ricoh if we get new owners and the success that can only come once they've gone?

There's not much potential at the moment, but yes I do know that's short termism thinking, but we aren't on an upward curve at the moment.

Your points on CRFC are fair enough.

The thing is until all the facts are out there, its all supposition, and we can guess and second guess. I don't know what the deal is at the Ricoh, as much as I know what the plans are for the BPA, but I will at least give them a chance to let us know what the plans are (if they ever come to light) before I make a decision on how I feel about it.

 

[rondog1973]

Something worth finding out, for sure. Don't have any objections whatsoever with checking CRFC fans are on board with any plans.

As a slightly detached viewpoint, can't help but think Wasps coming in have made it a very real threat of shit or bust for CRFC, so they have to blink and try and do something, at least.

Should be the first consideration in light of the furore of Wasps arrival.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Should be the first consideration in light of the furore of Wasps arrival.

Don't disagree with you.

 

[Skybluefaz]

He said 25k is too big so 15k it is.

“We would be looking at 15,000 seats or above looking at the football club gates and what they would get if they went up a league."
Once more, those are his words. That's my last contribution because I think you believe your own made up version of the truth.

 

[skybluetony176]

Quality post Tony, exactly as anticipated.

'Demolishing company' you're behind help you silly sausage

What have they built then? Have you been asleep the whole time they've been here and missed the car crash that CCFC have become under their stewardship? Do you not see that as a demolition job?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Oooh goals post picture. That's original.
Got any facts yet about all those sell outs before we left Highfield Road.

If this is what you're rambling on about read then eat shit .

In 1981, the controversial decision was taken to convert Highfield Road into England’s first all-seater stadium and 8,000 extra seats were installed at a cost £400,000 reducing the capacity, at a stroke, from 36,500 to 20,600.



HIGHFIELD ROAD 1980
PRE ALL-SEATER
[click photo to enlarge]
HIGHFIELD ROAD 1981
ALL-SEATER
[click photo to enlarge]
This unanimously unpopular decision was intended, amongst other things, to deter hooliganism but instead it alienated the fans and, with every game all-ticket, it became harder for fans to attend. Attendances dropped as performances on the pitch deteriorated and the failed experiment accelerated Jimmy Hill’s resignation as chairman.

The seats were ripped out of the Kop in 1985 and the end partially rebuilt to allow a better view. Following the 'Taylor Report’ in 1990 City, with almost 18,000 seats out of a capacity of 26,000, were well placed to meet the report’s recommendations that all top division grounds should be all-seater by August 1994. Work started in the summer of 1993 on the new East Stand and the team played it’s home games to a three sided stadium for one season whilst the new stand rose from the wreck of the flattened kop.

With the East Stand costing £4.3 million, the majority of which came from the Football Trust and the brewers, Mitchell and Butlers, and the new roofs on the Main Stand and Sky Blue Stand, over £7 million has been spent on the ground this decade. But at the end of the 1990’s the club have a new state-of-the-art stadium to look forward to in the new millenium.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

“We would be looking at 15,000 seats or above looking at the football club gates and what they would get if they went up a league."
Once more, those are his words. That's my last contribution because I think you believe your own made up version of the truth.

How the fuck have I made it up? Watch the video numbnuts!

 

[Moff]

If this is what you're rambling on about read then eat shit .

In 1981, the controversial decision was taken to convert Highfield Road into England’s first all-seater stadium and 8,000 extra seats were installed at a cost £400,000 reducing the capacity, at a stroke, from 36,500 to 20,600.



HIGHFIELD ROAD 1980
PRE ALL-SEATER
[click photo to enlarge]
HIGHFIELD ROAD 1981
ALL-SEATER
[click photo to enlarge]
This unanimously unpopular decision was intended, amongst other things, to deter hooliganism but instead it alienated the fans and, with every game all-ticket, it became harder for fans to attend. Attendances dropped as performances on the pitch deteriorated and the failed experiment accelerated Jimmy Hill’s resignation as chairman.

The seats were ripped out of the Kop in 1985 and the end partially rebuilt to allow a better view. Following the 'Taylor Report’ in 1990 City, with almost 18,000 seats out of a capacity of 26,000, were well placed to meet the report’s recommendations that all top division grounds should be all-seater by August 1994. Work started in the summer of 1993 on the new East Stand and the team played it’s home games to a three sided stadium for one season whilst the new stand rose from the wreck of the flattened kop.

With the East Stand costing £4.3 million, the majority of which came from the Football Trust and the brewers, Mitchell and Butlers, and the new roofs on the Main Stand and Sky Blue Stand, over £7 million has been spent on the ground this decade. But at the end of the 1990’s the club have a new state-of-the-art stadium to look forward to in the new millenium.

FFS what are you on about now.

I stated we didn't have many complaints when we had a 23K capacity in the Premier League. Try looking up the Premier League dates numb nuts, before you go off on your next rant.
I will give you a clue its after 1992. Then come back with our average attendances from 92 until relegation, and tell me if any were at capacity you plum.

 

[italiahorse]

Exactly the point. Why don't you wait to see what they are before frothing?

They don't exist. It's a game being played by Sisu to deflect from what's actually going on.
Mark my words.
Under Sisu Ryton will be sold and renting off Warwick Uni (or whoever) will satisfy the planning requirement to have somewhere else. They will pocket the cash.
The stadium will not be built and they will leave us renting off someone else away from the Ricoh.
Tell them now we won't go to a 12K stadium with a promise of expanding to 25K plus.
TF is on tomorrow answering questions.
They will be promises not plans.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Weird isn't it? Skybluefaz and Moff are the only two calling me a liar. Ones that would be at my throat, NW, FP Torchy, Genduffy, haven't said a word to me...Very strange?

 

[Grendel]

That 23k capacity at HR and being "All Ticket" nearly lost the fanbase, but lets not think about that eh?

It was all ticket under Jimmy Hill only wasn't it?

 

[Moff]

Weird isn't it? Skybluefaz and Moff are the only two calling me a liar. Ones that would be at my throat, NW, FP Torchy, Genduffy, haven't said a word to me...Very strange?

I know you think you are important, but maybe they have lives more fulfilling without you in it?

 

[skybluetony176]

There's not much potential at the moment, but yes I do know that's short termism thinking, but we aren't on an upward curve at the moment.

Your points on CRFC are fair enough.

The thing is until all the facts are out there, its all supposition, and we can guess and second guess. I don't know what the deal is at the Ricoh, as much as I know what the plans are for the BPA, but I will at least give them a chance to let us know what the plans are (if they ever come to light) before I make a decision on how I feel about it.

And the penny drops. Until the facts are out there. It's a year since CA started talking about the BPA. Where is the business plan? People are championing it and they know FA about it. A whole year has passed and nothing, it's already as believable as we've narrowed it down to two sites, announcement in three weeks, announcement in the new year etc. etc. yet you've got the what can only be described as the out of the Ricoh at any cost lot wetting themselves at the prospect of something that let's face it isn't likely to happen and even if it was (which it isn't) don't even know if it's best for CCFC. It's incredible.

 

[Otis]

Think we're getting a little bogged down with the semantics on the capacity thing.

If it is to be a Butts development by Cov Rugby, then Jon Sharp has said he doesn't want Cov rattling around in a 25,000 seater stadium that is far too big for them.

Potential is just potential. What Cov actually want and require is surely a much more relevant issue here.

Think we're all jumping the gun here anyway. Let's see if there's any more meat on the bones to come and if it has legs.

 

[wingy]

Genuine question - is he?

In the context of my point, it was more about SISU not being around and about to do any building but, well, yours is a far more interesting discussion than all this bollocks filling this thread just atm.

As I said in that other thread there are two competing theories.
The pointers have been in this direction for Over a year haven't they.
Truth Is I'm guessing like everyone but one of these theories will out,Much as I like Malakas one it could be classic misdirection.

 

[Moff]

And the penny drops. Until the facts are out there. It's a year since CA started talking about the BPA. Where is the business plan? People are championing it and they know FA about it. A whole year has passed and nothing, it's already as believable as we've narrowed it down to two sites, announcement in three weeks, announcement in the new year etc. etc. yet you've got the what can only be described as the out of the Ricoh at any cost wetting themselves at the prospect of something that let's face it isn't likely to happen and even if it was (which it isn't) don't even know if it's best for CCFC. It's incredible.

What penny drops? I said in my first post to Italia to wait for the facts. You are saying the same as me, but from a different angle.

 

[torchomatic]

It was all ticket under Jimmy Hill only wasn't it?

And it had to be all seater anyway after Hillsborough. He's talking bollocks.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

As I said in that other thread there are two competing theories.
The pointers have been in this direction for Over a year haven't they.
Truth Is I'm guessing like everyone but one of these theories will out,Much as I like Malakas one it could be classic misdirection.

I think it's worth letting it play out a bit, mind you. Things ought to become clearer as things progress (or don't!).

Philosophically, I'd be very much for the idea and yes, that might make me a bit more lax than I'd otherwise be but, I'd like to see some detail to back it up really as it could (could!) be what both clubs need.

 

[Senior Vick from Alicante]

If we move to the Butts park arena and have a capacity of 15000 the owners will be showing their lack of ambition. I cant see SISU in their current situation being able to contribute to the building of any stadium or attracting the financial clout to invest in it. If you dont have the inclination to invest in a business you already own why would they with their track record invest in new infrastructure? Investors would say why a capacity on that scale when you average 6 to 8 thousand as an average gate. Butts park arena would not fall in to the governments plans for new stadia any way because of the access needed on match days and the like. Not for me thanks, it all smells of Fischer bullshit and smoke screens once again. On the other hand if their going for JS2 wasps have already put conditions in on that so why would the council approve planning if Joy continues litigating?

 

[clint van damme]

-- and some STILL blame the fans. Thick as pig shit.

Can you be more specific- are you talking about people blaming fans that attend, fans that don't attend or both attendees and non attendees?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Ok, so reading this thread, and after other previous myths were debunked, it seems that these are the following reasons some of our fans don't want us to move to what could potentially be a stadium we had some ownership in, back in the city center.

1) 'The ground won't be big enough for us.'
We currently have less than 10k attending our matches. Last season this averaged 12k when we were doing well, sometimes hitting 15/16k when we were top. As history shows we never really had much more than 22k at Highfield Road (in the premiership). Especially if we get relegated to League 2, a starting point of 15k is adequate. - Myth debunked.

2) 'We can't expand it.'
False. As has been said before, it is reported that there could be room for expansion up to 25k. Since we moved to the Ricoh (or in the last 10 years roughly), how many times have we had more than 25k? I bet it is less than 10 times in the last 10 years. - Myth debunked.

3) 'We are accepting we are a League 1 club.'
What league are we playing in? League 1. Which direction are we going in? League 2. Starting off in a League 1 stadium we can expand is not accepting defeat. It is living within our means so that we can build in the right direction. - Myth debunked.

4) 'We are lacking ambition.'
What, by moving back to the city, the home of Coventry? Moving back here would be a step to winning fans back who cannot be bothered to travel to the Ricoh for a start. Also, Highfield Road, a stadium of 23k in the city center was hardly doing badly when we were in the Premier League. A stadium back here that we can expand should promotion happen is planning for the future and ambitious. Renting a stadium a million miles away from anywhere, without a train station that even works properly, or any access to revenue for the next 100 years is not ambition. That's the Ricoh, the reality at the moment. - Myth debunked.

5) 'We might upset the CRFC fans.'
The introduction of Wasps has the ability to kill them and we, so why don't we become an 'us', and become a more formidable force? A bigger stadium part funded by us, and an introduction to a whole new fan base, with a link together can help boost their attendances significantly. They can earn more money, sign better players, and maybe one day even think about challenging Wasps. Ambitious maybe, but not unrealistic.There would be many (including myself) who would go along to support them and help fill the stadium out a bit more. - Myth debunked

6) 'No one likes SISU, and they shouldn't do business with them.'
No shit. Does that mean that if there is a good chance of doing something here though, we shouldn't be happy for it to go ahead? 'Getting one over on SISU' is childish and immature. If there is a chance of it happening, we should be getting behind it at all costs. - Myth debunked.

7) Highfield Road reduced capacity almost killed the club.
The best years of the club ever were at Highfield Road. The club has almost been killed as a result of a move to the Ricoh. It may even be the case that a safe standing area could be installed at BPA, which would mean more capacity, and a better atmosphere. As it stands (pardon the pun) standing is banned across England, and therefore installing a West Terrace would be illegal for now. However, with the safe standing option, the capacity and atmosphere (as already stated) could be as good, if not better, than some aspects of the original Highfield Road. - Myth debunked.

8) It's probably not going to happen, so let's just be grumpy and negative.
That's the spirit. How about if we positively get behind this, push Fisher (phone in tomorrow) and do all we can to give our support, this might just come off. We have been around long enough, why be prepared to give up now, after everything we have been through together?

PUSB.

 

[clint van damme]

As a slightly detached view

Something worth finding out, for sure. Don't have any objections whatsoever with checking CRFC fans are on board with any plans.

As a slightly detached viewpoint, can't help but think Wasps coming in have made it a very real threat of shit or bust for CRFC, so they have to blink and try and do something, at least.

not sure about the bit about under pressure from Wasps NW.
For a fairly basic site, albeit in a decent location, BPA seems to do alright in terms of income. Maybe they've realised how much more it could do with a bit of investment.