If a takeover happened... would you want a new Manager aswell? (9 Viewers)
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Me too fella but many on here reckon Thorn would do a decent job with money, i personally disagree..
Be interesting to see what others think
lordsummerisle
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Of course not, he's the best manager we've ever had.
If any takeover did happen and they did employ a new manager, I'd expect a whiole load of shit to be emptied on the new owners heads because of it, because one thing you can never say about Coventry Fans is that they are inconsistent.
If any takeover did happen and they did employ a new manager, I'd expect a whiole load of shit to be emptied on the new owners heads because of it, because one thing you can never say about Coventry Fans is that they are inconsistent.
We'll_live_and_die
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I would like Thorn to return to his job as Scout. I would like an experienced manager to return. In all truth I would be happy to see Boothroyd back at the club. It may have been dirty long ball football, but by god it was more entertaining than this "pretty" football and it brought around some good results too.
sky_blue_up_north
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Would like to see what AT could do with some investment. Those who blame him for the current state of affairs are way off the mark in my opinion
Sterling Archer
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I'm guessing you was in a coma from December to March? Glad to see you have recovered.
kg82
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Yes - in fact I'd want a clear out of most of the players too. There's a negativity surrounding Coventry that's been there for a long time, it's really time to get rid of it (if the takeover happens).
And Rich, I couldn't disagree more about Boothroyd - his football was horrible and it left me feeling more frustrated than anything else. That, and his style was found out with resulting sacking (I know Thorns been found out too). If we had a relative choice of managers to this division my number 1 target would have to be Billy Davies. Although, if Steve Kean becomes available...
And Rich, I couldn't disagree more about Boothroyd - his football was horrible and it left me feeling more frustrated than anything else. That, and his style was found out with resulting sacking (I know Thorns been found out too). If we had a relative choice of managers to this division my number 1 target would have to be Billy Davies. Although, if Steve Kean becomes available...
Sterling Archer
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Spot on .... apart from the Steve Kean bit. Ha ha!
Although Davies is notorious for being a bit of a whingy bastard always claiming he needs more money.
If we had a new board and they decided a new manager was necessary, I would love to see us try someone like Tisdale or Robinson from the lower leagues.
We'll_live_and_die
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Sorry guys but Boothroyd was grinding out results. Teams didn't like playing us because we were tough. Boothroyds results only declined once the squad was ravaged by injury and SISU wouldn't invest during January.
Sterling Archer
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Are you actually Aidy Boothroyd La Lucha?
We'll_live_and_die
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He has a point tho.
Look at the table this time last year and now. Teams hated playing us first half of last season. Now teams find us an easy ride
Sterling Archer
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Ha ha ha, good luck at Northampton Mr Boothroyd!
P.S. Try having a Plan B though when every other club in the division works out how to beat your hoof ball?
P.S. Try having a Plan B though when every other club in the division works out how to beat your hoof ball?
We'll_live_and_die
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Boothroyd brought results until the squad needed investment in a couple of areas. Thorns style needs a whole new squad.
Sterling Archer
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At the risk of repeating myself, were you in a coma from December to March?
I go home and away and alongside the final couple of months of Adams reign, it has to be one of the most awful display of footballing eras I have ever witnessed in the last decade.
Sterling Archer
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So Boothroyd who had a squad which he had a budget of some sort to improve needed investement to improve yet Andy Thorn is worse because he has had 12 players leave, no re-investment?
Remember Thorn saving a spiralling Aidy Boothroyd side when he came in?
Once Boothroyd's tactics got found out, we were horrific. He had no plan B and no sign of changing to a Plan B.
SISU are the problem, not Thorn. Boothroyd would have this side in a worse position. Do you really think the kids could've survived or learnt anything in a Boothroyd side?
Sterling... have you been in a coma since October?? I'd say the football bar the West Ham game has been just as bad as the football under Boothroyd. His style is uneffective. 17 goals in 22 games says it all.
Sterling... whats Thorn Plan B? Because so far i haven't seen one.
We'll_live_and_die
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I agree that Thorn is not the problem. I disagree however that Thorn could yield better results than Boothroyd with a bit of investment.
ICHAN
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Would the new manager if their was/is going to be one should a takeover happen (covered most bases I think) depend largly how ambitious they want to be and what money they are going to make available, think it will be a surprise who they pick and maybe have even started sounding out their manager if they are/were thinking of changing manager so he comes in straight away already running with targets in mind if the takeover happened in time.
If this were the case then at least we would know that they are organised and have a plan unlike some who will remain as those who cannot be named.
If this were the case then at least we would know that they are organised and have a plan unlike some who will remain as those who cannot be named.
kg82
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I couldn't stand Boothroyd's style personally. You have a point that he ground out results at the start but even then I really couldn't stand to watch it! It was horrible football! But, like you said, he needed investment, which he didn't get. But then Thorn's lost 12 of those players and only brought in 1 outfield player, so you could say you can't really compare Boothroyd to Thorn? Like I said though, the club needs a completely fresh start, get the whole negativity around the place GORN!
Sterling - or Clark (not that he'd leave Huddersfield, but we're talking "like to see" not "want to see" aren't we!)
Sterling - or Clark (not that he'd leave Huddersfield, but we're talking "like to see" not "want to see" aren't we!)
Sterling Archer
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I agree Thorn hasn't got a Plan B but to hark as Boothroyd as the answer is ludicrous. I prefer the football we play under Thorn but that doesn't mean I am championing the style and its effectiveness. You also seem to forget jsut how weaker the squad is this season for reasons I made in another post, which I'll dig out and copy and paste here.
We'll_live_and_die
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Who do we think chose to discard Quirke and bring in Dunn, when this money could've been put toward a new outfield player?
Sterling Archer
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Here it is. My humble opinion about the difference in squad from last year. Its not as easy to just say we lost a few first team players:
Lets look at the squad in a bit more detail, taking into account we finished 18th last season.
Goalkeeper - Westwood replaced by Murphy. Westwood is a Prem standard keeper who none of us realised how good he actually was until he left. I'd be willing to say in his time here Westwood used to save us about 10 points a season all on his own. Murphy is an average keeper at this level and this has seen us lose more points than we would've if Westwood was still here.
Defence - The only area which hasn't really changed that much bar losing Ben Turner (who was only available in the first 14 games, although we did amass a decent points total when he was here). Wood and McPake have suffered with injuries so far meaning we have had to use Christie and push Keogh into the centre. Where Keogh's best position is, is up for debate, I however think he is better than a RB. Christie has done well and we have bare in mind that its his first year in senior football, however a couple of errors defensively from Christie at RB have cost us whereas maybe they wouldn't have happened if Keogh had been there. I also feel Cranie needs what I like to describe as a "big meat head" alongside him. A Richard Wood/Ben Turner style no nonsense defender. At left back Hussey continues to improve but looks a bit suspect defensively like Christie.
Midfield - Due to a lack of numbers we have again had to throw in youngsters in the deep end when they wouldn't have expected so much exposure at this point of the season. I personally don't think either Bigirimana or Thomas are ready for the regularity of first team football that they have partaken in so far. You could also point to the form of Gary McSheffrey, who in my opinion has been woeful this season bar the Reading game when he scored. He looked very effective when Thorn took over in 2009-10, especially against Burnley and Portsmouth away. Even David Bell had some good games when Thorn took over and he has been non existant this season. You could even argue this with the likes of Clingan as well. However what we are desparately missing is a player in the same combative box to box style of Gunnarsson, who by all accounts is excelling at Cardiff. An addition to this we are missing his "bite" in Midfield as we barely seem to put in a tackle in the middle third of the pitch.
Striker - We now have to rely on Lukas Jutkiewicz for goals. A player who improved immensely when Marlon King started to hit form. Both played off each other excellently and the tireless running and creating space for King to exploit created goals. Now Jutkiewicz doesn't have a partner with the same goalscoring instincts and 'striker nous' of King, he has had to take the role of leading the line and being relied on for goals. No one else is chipping in. Play Jutkiewicz alongside a poacher and play the game he is suited for and he'll score about 10 a season but create alot more through his own play and off the ball movement. Clive Platt is the other striker, who despite his workrate and the odd couple of good games is out of his depth at this level. 5 goals in over 40 games for Coventry tells a story.
Squad depth - 12 players, 3 in means the squad is 9 senior players thin. This has a huge knock on effect when we have any injuries or suspensions.
We may have only lost 4 guaranteed starters but if you look at it the way I have set it out, you can see:
a) Why the players that left were so important to us;
b) Why bringing in 4 good players could improve the side a lot but whether that would be enough at this stage of the season to keep us up is questionable;
c) Why we are, where we are and rightfully so.
Lets look at the squad in a bit more detail, taking into account we finished 18th last season.
Goalkeeper - Westwood replaced by Murphy. Westwood is a Prem standard keeper who none of us realised how good he actually was until he left. I'd be willing to say in his time here Westwood used to save us about 10 points a season all on his own. Murphy is an average keeper at this level and this has seen us lose more points than we would've if Westwood was still here.
Defence - The only area which hasn't really changed that much bar losing Ben Turner (who was only available in the first 14 games, although we did amass a decent points total when he was here). Wood and McPake have suffered with injuries so far meaning we have had to use Christie and push Keogh into the centre. Where Keogh's best position is, is up for debate, I however think he is better than a RB. Christie has done well and we have bare in mind that its his first year in senior football, however a couple of errors defensively from Christie at RB have cost us whereas maybe they wouldn't have happened if Keogh had been there. I also feel Cranie needs what I like to describe as a "big meat head" alongside him. A Richard Wood/Ben Turner style no nonsense defender. At left back Hussey continues to improve but looks a bit suspect defensively like Christie.
Midfield - Due to a lack of numbers we have again had to throw in youngsters in the deep end when they wouldn't have expected so much exposure at this point of the season. I personally don't think either Bigirimana or Thomas are ready for the regularity of first team football that they have partaken in so far. You could also point to the form of Gary McSheffrey, who in my opinion has been woeful this season bar the Reading game when he scored. He looked very effective when Thorn took over in 2009-10, especially against Burnley and Portsmouth away. Even David Bell had some good games when Thorn took over and he has been non existant this season. You could even argue this with the likes of Clingan as well. However what we are desparately missing is a player in the same combative box to box style of Gunnarsson, who by all accounts is excelling at Cardiff. An addition to this we are missing his "bite" in Midfield as we barely seem to put in a tackle in the middle third of the pitch.
Striker - We now have to rely on Lukas Jutkiewicz for goals. A player who improved immensely when Marlon King started to hit form. Both played off each other excellently and the tireless running and creating space for King to exploit created goals. Now Jutkiewicz doesn't have a partner with the same goalscoring instincts and 'striker nous' of King, he has had to take the role of leading the line and being relied on for goals. No one else is chipping in. Play Jutkiewicz alongside a poacher and play the game he is suited for and he'll score about 10 a season but create alot more through his own play and off the ball movement. Clive Platt is the other striker, who despite his workrate and the odd couple of good games is out of his depth at this level. 5 goals in over 40 games for Coventry tells a story.
Squad depth - 12 players, 3 in means the squad is 9 senior players thin. This has a huge knock on effect when we have any injuries or suspensions.
We may have only lost 4 guaranteed starters but if you look at it the way I have set it out, you can see:
a) Why the players that left were so important to us;
b) Why bringing in 4 good players could improve the side a lot but whether that would be enough at this stage of the season to keep us up is questionable;
c) Why we are, where we are and rightfully so.
Sterling Archer
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A Huddersfield supporting mate of mine has said that despite Clark doing a decent job, the unbeaten stuff overshadows the fact he has had a lot of money in L1 and failed on two occasions to get promotion.
I know I'm living in fantasy land but I've always wondered what one of the supposed world class managers would achieve with our squad and current situation. How would Alex Ferguson or Jose Mourinho fare at Coventry City right now?
We'll_live_and_die
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I agree......
kg82
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Bit unfair, you've picked one player! I would think losing 12 players would/should guarantee the arrival of at least 5 players (that's at a normal club mind). It might not have made that much of a difference, but we'll never know. I'm also not championing Thorn but I'll always prefer his way to Boothroyds!
The Reverend Skyblue
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To be honest right now i'd rather have my blind, incontinent,demented, always paraletic, nan in charge at the moment. She would'nt take any shit from anyone, so surely thats an improvement already.
The Rev
The Rev
kg82
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The phrases "crash and burn" and "ruined his career" come to mind!
Yeah, knew Clark has had a lot of money, I was hypothetically suggesting he might have here too (this is all obviously set in cloud cuckoo land by the way, before anybody suggests I'm mental!)
We'll_live_and_die
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Yes but he obviously knew he could only bring in three. Why get rid of a keeper that actually looked half decent to bring in another that looks about the same level? Keep Quirke, bring in an outfield player?
kg82
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Did he definitely know though? Personally I don't think he did. Lot of smoke and mirrors behind the scenes at City these days.
PS I did actually feel sorry for Quirke by the way
We'll_live_and_die
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I think he would've known the budget was tight even if he thought there was more than there was.
I still wouldn't have removed a competant player to be replaced by a competant player when you're working under tight constraints.
I still wouldn't have removed a competant player to be replaced by a competant player when you're working under tight constraints.
We need anew manager with a bit of bottle to offload these losers Thorne signed on when he was scouting.