Fisher Lost The Plot (40 Viewers)

[Nick]

We supposedly made 1m profit last season. Yet our player budget seems to be much lower. They are in the process of selling our training ground. Looks like we will rent our next one.

Do you think that these millions will stay with our club?

It won't have been a £1m profit...

In terms of the training ground, I can see that being a way they recover their money or even as a way out. I am just as cynical about that as everybody else, that's why I've said about speaking to Sport England to pressure / clarify what's needed for the planning to go ahead.

 

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[Grendel]

Would love to know why you think JS is hanging around.???

She is hanging around as she is the controller of the primary investment into the club.

It's pretty obvious no new investment is going into the club and pretty obvious that the low levels of turnover would make a percentage payment back pointless.

 

[Astute]

I can understand if ccfc makes loads of money and start taking dividends from CCFC.

How much have the management charges been last year?

You still aren't telling me categorically how my money from my season ticket got to SISU, you are guessing.

People are making out that the money is going direct to SISU, my ticket money is going to Joy and not to CCFC and if you didn't ask how it all sounds rather believable the way it is said as fact over and over again.

They know what is going on. But they said that they didn't even know where the golden share was. And it doesn't even belong to them. So if they can lose something in all the paperwork like a golden share......

 

[italiahorse]

It won't have been a £1m profit...

In terms of the training ground, I can see that being a way they recover their money or even as a way out. I am just as cynical about that as everybody else, that's why I've said about speaking to Sport England to pressure / clarify what's needed for the planning to go ahead.

I would hazard a guess they will rent the next training ground, satisfying the Sport England criteria and pocket the money.

 

[Astute]

It won't have been a £1m profit...

In terms of the training ground, I can see that being a way they recover their money or even as a way out. I am just as cynical about that as everybody else, that's why I've said about speaking to Sport England to pressure / clarify what's needed for the planning to go ahead.

Somewhere to train. Full stop.

 

[Astute]

She is hanging around as she is the controller of the primary investment into the club.

It's pretty obvious no new investment is going into the club and pretty obvious that the low levels of turnover would make a percentage payment back pointless.

Why would she stick around if as you say low levels of turnover would make a percentage payment back pointless?

 

[Nick]

Somewhere to train. Full stop.

So how has that meant my ticket money has gone to SISU?

I did say about pressure on the whole planning thing to prevent it when it came out and hammering Sport England

 

[ccfc92]

You had better get your tin hat on. You are not allowed to choose if Fisher lies or not depending on what he says. He either never lies or only lies whenever his lips move.......

No, I've figured it out. He lies when it's something positive, and tells the truth when it's something negative for CCFC and will piss the fans off

 

[skybluetony176]

Without financial backing?

You not answering this one then Grendull?

I don't suppose you can really.

 

[Grendel]

Why would she stick around if as you say low levels of turnover would make a percentage payment back pointless?

The realisation of debt if she didn't stay versus the current position is the reason

 

[Astute]

So how has that meant my ticket money has gone to SISU?

I did say about pressure on the whole planning thing to prevent it when it came out and hammering Sport England

Who owns CCFC?

If CCFC makes a loss they have to cover it. If CCFC makes a profit it works the other way round. I don't have a problem with this. What I have a problem with is how they run our club and the way they treat us supporters.

As you know Fisher is now trying to put the blame on those of us that still go. He is lucky to have anyone still going. If it wasn't for being a sport and us having deep feelings for our club the stadium would be about empty each game after what they have done to us.

 

[Grendel]

You not answering this one then Grendull?

I don't suppose you can really.

Lol - do you want to answer it in Tony style I.e. Ignore the question and go on some pointless rant?

Juggy actually answered the question on the phone in after the last match and he was correct. I'm sure you were listening so you know the answer - unless it was D I Y in the garden shed time.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

The realisation of debt if she didn't stay versus the current position is the reason

And exactly what position is that Grenduffy?

 

[skybluetony176]

Lol - do you want to answer it in Tony style I.e. Ignore the question and go on some pointless rant?

Juggy actually answered the question on the phone in after the last match and he was correct. I'm sure you were listening so you know the answer - unless it was D I Y in the garden shed time.

That's a no then.

 

[Nick]

Who owns CCFC?

If CCFC makes a loss they have to cover it. If CCFC makes a profit it works the other way round. I don't have a problem with this. What I have a problem with is how they run our club and the way they treat us supporters.

As you know Fisher is now trying to put the blame on those of us that still go. He is lucky to have anyone still going. If it wasn't for being a sport and us having deep feelings for our club the stadium would be about empty each game after what they have done to us.

Just saying who owns CCFC doesn't explain how my ticket money is going to them though does it?

 

[Grendel]

And exactly what position is that Grenduffy?

A business that requires no outward funding source to balance cash flow

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Lol - do you want to answer it in Tony style I.e. Ignore the question and go on some pointless rant?

Juggy actually answered the question on the phone in after the last match and he was correct. I'm sure you were listening so you know the answer - unless it was D I Y in the garden shed time.

He asked you a question Grenduffy... Are you going to answer or run off to another thread?

 

[Grendel]

That's a no then.

No you didn't listen. What a surprise Tony.

 

[Astute]

The realisation of debt if she didn't stay versus the current position is the reason

Which is what I have said how many times?

But she still needs to do something. Like taking us forward or taking as much out of our club as she can. There is no sign of us moving forward. But with the training ground.....

 

[Wheelfass]

That Nigel's bit doesn't even make sense isn't it.

It doesn't need to, it is all just for internet backpats.

I think that went over your head a bit didn't it Nick

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Just saying who owns CCFC doesn't explain how my ticket money is going to them though does it?

I must interject here Nick. Where the fuck does the money go then? It sure as shit is shit doesn't go toward investment in the team as budget after budget gets lower every season.

 

[Nick]

I must interject here Nick. Where the fuck does the money go then? It sure as shit is shit doesn't go toward investment in the team as budget after budget gets lower every season.

The people who keep telling others that they money is going direct to SISU will be along to explain where it is going and how.

 

[Grendel]

He asked you a question Grenduffy... Are you going to answer or run off to another thread?

I have - with respect whenever questions are posed to Tony he goes on absurd rants which have zero to do with the thread in question.
Why would I run away from Tony other than the fact he is one of the two lunatic elements on this forum - you being the other.
Here's a clue - football clubs can and do survive on turnover of less than a million if they want to.

 

[skybluetony176]

No you didn't listen. What a surprise Tony.

That's a no these clubs cant survive without financial assistance. Which is why you won't answer the question. It would contradict your original post of Grendull "fact".

No I didn't listen to the phone in or the game for that matter. It's Xmas, my life revolves around family nothing else and it's family time. If you think I need to apologise for that or it somehow makes my point invalid it's just a further measurement of what a gigantic knobhead you are.

 

[Astute]

Just saying who owns CCFC doesn't explain how my ticket money is going to them though does it?

If CCFC runs at a loss they have to cover it. If it runs at a profit they make money. Or doesn't your ticket money come into either of these?

 

[Grendel]

Which is what I have said how many times?

But she still needs to do something. Like taking us forward or taking as much out of our club as she can. There is no sign of us moving forward. But with the training ground.....

Well mo she doesn't she can just run the club like she is now.

 

[Nick]

If CCFC runs at a loss they have to cover it. If it runs at a profit they make money. Or doesn't your ticket money come into either of these?

So how did my season ticket money go to SISU?

For something apparently (not said by you) simple and that others are so blind and thick they can't see it, nobody is really explaining it simply are they?

 

[skybluetony176]

I have - with respect whenever questions are posed to Tony he goes on absurd rants which have zero to do with the thread in question.
Why would I run away from Tony other than the fact he is one of the two lunatic elements on this forum - you being the other.
Here's a clue - football clubs can and do survive on turnover of less than a million if they want to.

Which one's? Link please. I've given some details of why you're wrong, if you want to prove me wrong go ahead. I have no issue with being proved wrong with fact, that's fact, not Grendull "fact".

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

I have - with respect whenever questions are posed to Tony he goes on absurd rants which have zero to do with the thread in question.
Why would I run away from Tony other than the fact he is one of the two lunatic elements on this forum - you being the other.
Here's a clue - football clubs can and do survive on turnover of less than a million if they want to.

With respect... Why do you reply to "Lunatic Elements".... As Forest Gump would say... "Stupid is as Stupid does"... Would you like an Ice Cream Lieutenant Daaaannn?

 

[Wheelfass]

If somebody can show to me that my ticket money goes to SISU / Joy rather than into the running of CCFC then of course I would think twice about going.

Show me......give me solid proof....... that my ticket money goes to the running of CCFC and NOT SISU /Joy.
Please try to answer correctly without any deflections or questions.
Bet you can't.

 

[Otis]

I can understand if ccfc makes loads of money and start taking dividends from CCFC.

How much have the management charges been last year?

You still aren't telling me categorically how my money from my season ticket got to SISU, you are guessing.

This is SBT, there is an incredible amount of guessing and from many posters on both sides of the fences.

You know who you are.

 

[skybluebeduff]

Wasn't the training ground already sold to AVRO?

 

[Wheelfass]

I think we match it, so would still cost about 600k depending on what status it would be then.

Where do you get this figure from. Have you any proof or are you just guessing.

 

[Nick]

Show me......give me solid proof....... that my ticket money goes to the running of CCFC and NOT SISU /Joy.
Please try to answer correctly without any deflections or questions.
Bet you can't.

Who is paying the players wages, who pays for the staff, who pays for the running costs of the club?

I can fully understand if we had 32,000 season tickets and the playing budget was the same as it is now.

The fact people seem to get offended or wound up after they make statements saying my money is going to SISU and I all I do is ask how.

 

[Nick]

Where do you get this figure from. Have you any proof or are you just guessing.

Oh dear, you are getting a bit touchy because I asked how my money is going to SISU and not CCFC.

Why would I be guessing?

The club gets a grant, the club then matches it.