Philosoraptor
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Could anyone tell me if this is good or not for a business?
Is this cliff edge drop going to happen every six months?
The pies and pasty issue - the plot thickens (17 Viewers)
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Could anyone tell me if this is good or not for a business?
Is this cliff edge drop going to happen every six months?
Nick
Administrator
I can understand if it's not making money they have cut it, still it will be spun as ccfcs fault
Otis
Well-Known Member
Or to the tune of Don McLean's American Pie, 'Bye, bye to the corporate pie.'
Nick
Administrator
What about match day costs?
Not sure what they total...........probably no more than another 200 fans paying full price though !
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Think you will find that toilets and lights are a contractual obligation due to health & safety so thats a lame comparison. I am sure CCFC can have a lot of things if they choose to pay for it. - got a feeling its an old but recurring problem. Its only drilling down too far because it affects CCFC, I would think that all events, matches etc are subject to the same analysis and decisions taken.
Sometimes you have to stand back and ask what would any rational business do
Wasps own the damn stadium of course they will favour themselves, who wouldnt.
Why should ACL / Wasps provide staff from their own pocket so that it keeps a few CCFC fans happy in hospitality ?
Its not like CCFC havent done things to reduce losses is it, not like they havent shut areas of the ground for instance. Which I think was quite sensible and correct. Its the same principle isnt it and affects the match experience?
It seems to be that some people on here are expecting other businesses to incur and bear losses basically because we are CCFC and always the victim.
There are more important things to address than the sale of a few pies in the posh seats surely?.
Otis
Well-Known Member
Can't let that get in the way of a good rant though, OSB.
As per usual there's a lot of guesswork on here and jumping to conclusions.
Hopefully we will get clarification soon.
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Perhaps its not the staffing as such but the demand for the product thats the issue. Been in the lounges before and there always seemed to be a large amount of wastage come the end of the match, and thats at a time with bigger attendances
Otis
Well-Known Member
I know. I am always starving every match.
Captain Dart
Well-Known Member
Why, we never have before.
peeler
Well-Known Member
This tells me that it's about time you charged your iPad.
It's not a poor reflection on acl if CCFC keep going on about contracts and making legal threats, and acl have given them over and above and letting things go until now......
Nick
Administrator
Is that what's happened then?
christonabike
Well-Known Member
When Sisu stopped paying rent it was £10k per game to play at the Ricoh. No guessing that was the figure quoted. That was all costs included. So £120K per year is what they are paying justifies the lack of facilities.
Nick
Administrator
Was that just rent or match day costs and rent combined?
Let's say it was EVERYTHING including all matchday costs and everything, that adds up to the 25 home games we had in 2011 to 250k.
Were we paying the other million a year rent for the club shop?
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shmmeee
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Knowing virtually nothing about stocks, but a bit about stats, looks like it's just returned to a mean after a short bump, fairly standard for stocks to do that. Not sure you can read too much into it either way. Whole host of other things affect a company's health like cash in the bank, price to earning ratio, etc.
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Well, we think it is.
It's what normally happens, acl be a bit lenient and accommodating, ccfc take the piss, they they say enough is enough.
Same as stadium rent issue (although ccfc left on their own accord)
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
Ah, just made it up then?
Nick
Administrator
peeler
Well-Known Member
Wasps aren't going to go bust now or anytime in the future. 26K+ last game, probably 27K+ today and they make far more per capita on pies, pasties and booze than the football club do.
Just concentrate on Coventry City's plight and ridding them of the SISU cancer, then who knows we might start getting those sort of gates.
Just concentrate on Coventry City's plight and ridding them of the SISU cancer, then who knows we might start getting those sort of gates.
clint van damme
Well-Known Member
it doesn't matter whose fault it is it still shows the disregard sisu have for the support.
Even if it is down to ACL why not make sure everyone knows about it and step in to provide food at their own cost?
They're talking about building bridges, well this was an opportunity.
They go on about revenue streams, well sisu have one massive revenue stream at their disposal, the 20,000 plus empty seats. They should be doing everything they can to fill them and that includes using PR opportunities like this to get some fans back on side.
It suggests to me, that in reality, they're not really bothered.
Even if it is down to ACL why not make sure everyone knows about it and step in to provide food at their own cost?
They're talking about building bridges, well this was an opportunity.
They go on about revenue streams, well sisu have one massive revenue stream at their disposal, the 20,000 plus empty seats. They should be doing everything they can to fill them and that includes using PR opportunities like this to get some fans back on side.
It suggests to me, that in reality, they're not really bothered.
peeler
Well-Known Member
Very true, I don't think SISU/Fisher or anyone in charge has shown any willingness to build anything, your last line sums it up.
Nick
Administrator
They aren't allowed to provide food themselves.
clint van damme
Well-Known Member
No, but they could have covered the costs, even just for one game, they could have done something.
People will see the headlines and assume it's sisus fault, (it may well be, I don't know the full ins and outs).
Fisher said he wants to build bridges but I see no evidence of it even when an opportunity presents itself.
Nick
Administrator
clint van damme
Well-Known Member
At the moment people will just blame CCFC, you're right. So how do we move away from that culture?
sisu have got to start playing the PR game and getting fans on side. Imagine if covboys original post had said that Fisher had come into the corporate, explained this was ACL and out of the clubs hands and made some sort on conciliatory gesture, wouldn't that have been a start?
Maybe if sisu showed a bit of willing people would be more receptive to getting behind th team. Maybe the idea of selecting a game to try and get a massive walk up with the focus purely on our love of the club, an idea both me and you have given the thumbs up to in the past, might start to receive a bit more interest.
Nick
Administrator
It has been explained it's out of the club's hands hasn't it?
clint van damme
Well-Known Member
but that's irrelevant to an extent.
Peoples match day experience has been eroded again. The club are haemorrhaging support. Fisher said he wants to build bridges, here was an opportunity.
I'm sure there's something they could do, some sort of gesture which could have generated a bit of positive PR for a change. Building bridges has to be a two way street. I'm just not seeing anything from Fisher and co which makes it very difficult to persuade people to get up the Ricoh and support the team, which is what I advocate.
Astute
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Are SISU CCFC today?
You spend a lot of time telling people that SISU are not CCFC. But as soon as you see that someone might blame SISU for something you say that they are blaming CCFC :shifty: