Hung by his own words ! (2 Viewers)

Voice_of_Reason

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Slade claims most of his players are Division One standard and some even Championship standard. This being so, our performances have to be down to the manager's inability to create a winning team and a lack of tactical awareness. There can be no other reason.
 

stupot07

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Yes, he has failed badly. That said I don't believe we have any players who are of a championship standard, given thr poor performance across all 33 games, I find it hard to claim we have mostly league one standard players.

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steve82

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Slade claims most of his players are Division One standard and some even Championship standard. This being so, our performances have to be down to the manager's inability to create a winning team and a lack of tactical awareness. There can be no other reason.

Someone will make another excuse for him at some point today mate.

The words were there is a strong league one or championship performance in them, and performing at that level consistently. You can see he's taken a different approach to MV, rather than saying there not fit for the league like he did, and probably what we'd be happy to hear him say. Tho look what it did to the players after MV did. We still need these players till may.... sadly
This is why we're bottom, they are not playing at a regular performance level, and simply not up to it.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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The words were there is a strong league one or championship performance in them, and performing at that level consistently. You can see he's taken a different approach to MV, rather than saying there not fit for the league like he did, and probably what we'd be happy to hear him say. Tho look what it did to the players after MV did. We still need these players till may.... sadly
This is why we're bottom, they are not playing at a regular performance level, and simply not up to it.

These were his words. Basically - the potential is there within the players, but they are inconsistent (or you could argue they are consistent in underperforming). The trouble with most of our players is that you can see a bit of something in them, yet they do not turn up often enough. I would excuse Beavon from this, and think Reilly has improved his performance level in general. Both of these players are battlers and put in a shift, which is what fans want. I thought Turnbull (for all of his failings) made a couple of fantastic blocks through sheer effort; however these should be a given for 9 out of 11 players. You can carry the odd prima donna if they bring something else to the table (blistering pace, dribbling skills, killer pass etc), but if you have not got enough consistent 7/10 players in terms of work rate you will struggle. To back this up though, you need to play a simple system which plays to any strengths you have and minimises the weaknessess (i.e. avoid one twos, back passes in your own half on a dodgy pitch with players who don't like it at their feet on a good pitch)
 

rob9872

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These were his words. Basically - the/QUOTE]
You can carry the odd prima donna if they bring something else to the table (blistering pace, dribbling skills, killer pass etc)

If I remember H you had dribbling skills and could pass but I don't remember too much of the blistering pace :)

Still, as Meat Loaf once said, 2 out of 3 ain't bad!
 

steve82

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These were his words. Basically - the potential is there within the players, but they are inconsistent (or you could argue they are consistent in underperforming). The trouble with most of our players is that you can see a bit of something in them, yet they do not turn up often enough. I would excuse Beavon from this, and think Reilly has improved his performance level in general. Both of these players are battlers and put in a shift, which is what fans want. I thought Turnbull (for all of his failings) made a couple of fantastic blocks through sheer effort; however these should be a given for 9 out of 11 players. You can carry the odd prima donna if they bring something else to the table (blistering pace, dribbling skills, killer pass etc), but if you have not got enough consistent 7/10 players in terms of work rate you will struggle. To back this up though, you need to play a simple system which plays to any strengths you have and minimises the weaknessess (i.e. avoid one twos, back passes in your own half on a dodgy pitch with players who don't like it at their feet on a good pitch)

Cannot disagree with any of that.....
Too many passengers yesterday, too many errors. You cannot give Ajose all them chances, the lad should of had 4/5 goals in reality. 2 Turnbull tackles that's part of your job, but to the completely switch off in the way he did to allow him the freedom to tap in and clarke to is bad.
 

shmmeee

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Yes, he has failed badly. That said I don't believe we have any players who are of a championship standard, given thr poor performance across all 33 games, I find it hard to claim we have mostly league one standard players.

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Haven't we had bids for two players (Willis and Stevenson) from Championship level?
 
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Haven't we had bids for two players (Willis and Stevenson) from Championship level?
Suspect Rotherham were planning for League One, mind. tbf I rate Willis. Let him develop into the centre back he's supposed to be, and he'll do alright for himself.

Stevenson's arguably all about the potential too. Got to hope for his sake we're not set to ruin him as a player.
 

shmmeee

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I just think fans are too quick to say "They're all shit", when we've seen the same players look completely different under different managers.

We have a squad of ball players being asked to hoof, and very few leaders helping out on the pitch.

Also over half the supposedly "shit" players we've got rid of in recent years now play for a team above us in the league. Sure there are some dogs in there, but to claim all of them are L2 or below standard is hyperbolic IMO.
 

stupot07

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Haven't we had bids for two players (Willis and Stevenson) from Championship level?
I imagine Stevenson was with a view to development (ala Maddison - was bigi PL quality when Newcastle bought him?), and Rotherham were and are completely rooted to thr foot of the championship table, so imagine Willis was also with a view to next season in league one. Neither would get in the starting line up of an average championship team IMO, and I am a big fan of Stevenson.

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Adge

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Slade claims most of his players are Division One standard and some even Championship standard. This being so, our performances have to be down to the manager's inability to create a winning team and a lack of tactical awareness. There can be no other reason.
I remember a similar one I think it was Thorn saying that Jordan Clarke is good enough to play in the Premier League! o_O
 

Captain Dart

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I remember a similar one I think it was Thorn saying that Jordan Clarke is good enough to play in the Premier League! o_O
Well he maybe playing in the Championship next season.
 

Adge

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Well he maybe playing in the Championship next season.
Yeah-he might be sitting on the bench like he is at the minute next season. Remember him playing for us in the Championship and well....lets just leave it there.
 

cloughie

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It's not rocket science slade they may play out of their skin / ability level every now and again so they are shit in reality, or is it someone is not getting them to perform to their best,
Mr Slade you decide and say
My leaning of thought is that they are shit but not as shit as you make them look
 

Cavan O'Doherty

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Slade claims most of his players are Division One standard and some even Championship standard. This being so, our performances have to be down to the manager's inability to create a winning team and a lack of tactical awareness. There can be no other reason.
They really aren't capable of anything near that. Most of them are League two at best. I've barely seen a performance worthy of league one standard never mind the championship!
 

Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue

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Yes, he has failed badly. That said I don't believe we have any players who are of a championship standard, given thr poor performance across all 33 games, I find it hard to claim we have mostly league one standard players.

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Failed badly is an understatement - he's taken us down like the Titanic!!!

He's accelerating the relegation process!!!
 

steve82

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Failed badly is an understatement - he's taken us down like the Titanic!!!

He's accelerating the relegation process!!!

Like I've said on a previous post I understand the frustrations around him I really do but when you step back and take a look at a few games then it would not of been as bad as it certainly looks currently.
4 games out of his 12 we've ditched points in the dying stages of the games all from individual errors. Plus throw in other individual mistakes and collectively as a team we've sent our our selves down.
3 games we were minutes away from the win, Peterborough, Bolton and Wimbledon. We took 3 points there instead of nine, plus the soft Fleetwood goal we lost another point.
That's 10 points we should of had not 3, so 7 points extra we've shed ourselves. Not forgetting the errors at Oldham where if RCC and others do there jobs we score 2 good goals away from home against another poor side but a keeper whose kept 14 clean sheets from 34 games conceding only 33 league goals. They've the 3rd best conceded stats in the league....That's another 3 points thrown away.
Yes we were poor at Chesterfield, Northampton and Swindon, but was far from disgraced against Millwall and a in form Fleetwood side.
Add all them up it could of been far better scenario if players did there basic jobs of there roles correctly.
A potential 11/13 points we should of really had and possibly put you just safe of the bottom 4 looking more confident in your ability and well in it still.
The players have dropped points, big basic mistakes.
 

Gazolba

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Failed badly is an understatement - he's taken us down like the Titanic!!!

He's accelerating the relegation process!!!
Slade may be the captain of the ship, but SISU is the iceberg.
 

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