Who's responsible? (11 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Combination of wasps and the caring sharing council - awesome.

 

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[mds]

Ive been searched every game, two lads in front of me Saturday just walked straight in, i asked if the searches were random or for everyone got told they wernt allowed to search under 17`s.

 

[wingy]

I don't know who really Is behind all this but for me it started with MK game checking the tickets and apparently catching 20 people out with wrong category ST's.
So we saved £2,000 worth of fraud.
Well done!!
Secondly have any fans had their collars felt yet, in relation to the various shenanigans at various matches.

 

[italiahorse]

What shit are you talking now "keeping the threads going"? Is that an argument of some sort, because it just makes you look like another silly old twat who has read somebody else say something and thought you could try and use it. Meanwhile, you make yourself look a twat by keeping the thread going yourself.

Yes, it is CCFC specific, nobody has said it isn't and that they do it at Wasps games....

You write a book on every little piece of knowledge introduced.
- the information I introduced is relevant as it shows the searches are CCFC specific.
- I think the word WASPS sends you loopy. If someone has a different critique of CCFC it starts a real mouthy wobble.
You really need to get a life outside CCFC.
......... Awaits nasty verbal retaliation !!!!!

 

[chiefdave]

Now who could possibly stand to benefit when CCC and Wasps once again take action to make the matchday experience worse for CCFC fans. As I mentioned before in another thread chap in front of me last night refused to be searched and was turned away. Will he bother coming back? We aren't in a position to be turning fans away.

Some of the organisations mentioned are subject to FOI, might throw in a few requests and see what it turns up.

On the basis of the statement provided you would have to assumes the same standards will be applied to Wasps matches.

 

[shmmeee]

Now who could possibly stand to benefit when CCC and Wasps once again take action to make the matchday experience worse for CCFC fans. As I mentioned before in another thread chap in front of me last night refused to be searched and was turned away. Will he bother coming back? We aren't in a position to be turning fans away.

Some of the organisations mentioned are subject to FOI, might throw in a few requests and see what it turns up.

On the basis of the statement provided you would have to assumes the same standards will be applied to Wasps matches.

Serious question: how many pitch invasions have Wasps had?

 

[chiefdave]

Serious question: how many pitch invasions have Wasps had?

Don't go so I couldn't tell you but a few seconds on google threw this up:

A Warwick rugby club student crossed the field naked during a WASPS game against Quins in the Ricoh Arena, on Sunday 28 February.

You could definitely make an argument that a naked bloke wandering across the pitch at what is marketed as a family friendly event is equal to, if not worse, than anything that happened at the Sheff Utd game.

And how come they refer to two pitch invasions? There's only been one on the pitch protest hasn't there?

Would be interesting to know if similar incidents at other clubs have prompted the same heavy handed response.

 

[italiahorse]

Don't go so I couldn't tell you but a few seconds on google threw this up:

You could definitely make an argument that a naked bloke wandering across the pitch at what is marketed as a family friendly event is equal to, if not worse, than anything that happened at the Sheff Utd game.

And how come they refer to two pitch invasions? There's only been one on the pitch protest hasn't there?

Would be interesting to know if similar incidents at other clubs have prompted the same heavy handed response.

Its probably down to the element of threat that makes a difference.?
The Sheffield United pitch invasion as the fans moved around the stadium was quite threatening for some.
Football is more tribal so hence the already heavy steward and police presence.

 

[shmmeee]

Let's be honest, it's down to the Safety Advisory Group seemingly thinking football is the devil's work. Just need to look at the gap between home and away fans since we started at the Ricoh to see that.

 

[italiahorse]

Now who could possibly stand to benefit when CCC and Wasps once again take action to make the matchday experience worse for CCFC fans. As I mentioned before in another thread chap in front of me last night refused to be searched and was turned away. Will he bother coming back? We aren't in a position to be turning fans away.

Some of the organisations mentioned are subject to FOI, might throw in a few requests and see what it turns up.

On the basis of the statement provided you would have to assumes the same standards will be applied to Wasps matches.

Got to agree on the football match day experience.
Particularly at away matches where they just want you in and out ASAP.
The last 5 minutes for those disabled at the front as the stewards stand in front of them and block their view..
The march to the coaches and the police escort out the town.

 

[italiahorse]

Let's be honest, it's down to the Safety Advisory Group seemingly thinking football is the devil's work. Just need to look at the gap between home and away fans since we started at the Ricoh to see that.

Historically it has been a problem.
How we get it back to just enjoying the game I have no idea.

 

[Wolves_SkyBlue]

Folks I think that we may be getting things out of proportion here. I went to the Bayern ~ Athletico Champions League game last December at the Allianz Arena with a crowd of 75,000. Everyone was searched and far more thoroughly than we experience at the Ricoh - huge queues but all was calm

 

[Skyblueweeman]

I wonder if some people went to Wasps games, wearing Wasps tops but invaded the pitch with SISU banners, whether they'd threaten Wasps to play behind closed doors....

 

[duffer]

I wonder if some people went to Wasps games, wearing Wasps tops but invaded the pitch with SISU banners, whether they'd threaten Wasps to play behind closed doors....

Indeed - I wouldn't advocate it, but it feels very unlikely that the Council would take the same approach. I hugely dislike the idea of invading the pitch to protest, but suggesting that the pitch invasion against Sheffield and the one after the semi-final were in any related is farcical.

The increased searches aren't going to stop the pitch invasions, the fussbudgetry around specific turnstiles and where you sit isn't likely to have an impact either.

Throwing tennis balls and blowing whistles is hardly going to cause a safety issue either, though again I dislike it personally. So what's the real safety issue here that requires all of this heavy-handedness at the turnstiles - one invasion against Sheff Utd? Is that such a serious breach of safety as to have the council threaten to close the doors. Has another council ever threatened to do this to its own club - normally it's the FA that step in as far as I can see. I'm not convinced by this, personally...

 

[chiefdave]

Agree Duffer and its what is frustrating about the CT, they should be in asking those questions but we all know they won't.

How many games have Charlton or Blackpool had to play behind closed doors?

 

[oldfiver]

Despite the shower that is our performance on the pitch, I was wondering last night - who is actually responsible for the stewards etc at the games? Who gives them their orders? Its bad enough that we have to deal with everything else wrong with the club, to then be subjected to all their nonsense! By nonsense I mean that last night:
1) i wasn't allowed to enter through one of the other turnstiles as it wasn't my designated turnstile
2) at said turnstile i was subjected to a pat down, yet they still missed the bottle of water i had in my coat pocket
3) i looked on in disbelief as a fresh out of his mum steward made an elderly gentleman take of his flat-cap to check under it.... A FLAT CAP!!! THE CLUES IN THE NAME!
4) During the game - the stewards seemed hell bent on running up and down the steps in the naughty corner seemingly trying to suppress the ounce of atmosphere the lads were trying to drum up!

Its a joke. Bad enough that i still drag my ass up there every week, but to then be put through this circus is beyond me!

ACL responsible for security

 

[italiahorse]

Throwing tennis balls and blowing whistles is hardly going to cause a safety issue either, though again I dislike it personally. So what's the real safety issue here that requires all of this heavy-handedness at the turnstiles - one invasion against Sheff Utd? Is that such a serious breach of safety as to have the council threaten to close the doors. Has another council ever threatened to do this to its own club - normally it's the FA that step in as far as I can see. I'm not convinced by this, personally...

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Tennis balls pft

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

When I got to the turnstile last night T20 my lucky turnstile:emoji_laughing: the steward put his arms out to show me how to stand and I said are you checking me or am I checking you, don't think he got the joke and the thumb up my arse was a bit rougher than normal

 

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edit-should really read the OP properly next time!

You forgot Mowbray on your little list

 

[Gazolba]

I was told by a steward that a lot of you scum are coming for entertainment on childrens tickets - crime punishable by hanging clearly

And they only hang you after you have watched the game and realize you didn't want to get in anyway.

 

[Covfather]

Stewards are rarely paying attention. I'm diabetic so always took cans of coke with me, start of last season I was told no cans allowed and they took them all off me. Every week since, I've taken cartons of juice with a can of coke in my bag. They ask me to open my bag they have a look inside, clearly pay no attention and just let me in. If you wanted to, you could take anything in the ground with you i'm pretty sure all of the checks are for show.

I enter at T23 but the last couple of weeks there has been someone stood in front of T22 not letting people in and then randomly decides to ask people to go in T22 instead of the others, what's that all about?

Diabetic here also, regularly take my blood test kit and insulin and glucose tablets in my coat pockets, not once have I been asked what they are..Just a pointless pat down.

 

[Warwickhunt]

Our club has to be able to show that they are doing what they can to the FL to stop demonstrations that interfere with play. The problem with SISU is that they are either too much or nothing at all in what they do.

Not done anything about the players then have they! They are the worst culprits for interfering with play if you ask me!

 

[duffer]

Except of course that fans haven't been throwing flares at each other at CCFC matches*, so where's the safety issue that has led to the council to threaten to close down the ground? Indeed, where's the example of another council that have behaved in this way towards to their local football team? Normally it's the FA who deal with these kinds of issues (e.g. Blackpool).

* At the rate we're going at you'd need an arm like Jonty Rhodes to be able to hit the nearest fan to you with any kind of missile.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Jonty Rhodes...what a fielder.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

There was mention on the other related thread (now closed) of everyone having their DM laces confiscated at the turnstiles at the Goldstone Ground in the 80s. If the stewards reintroduced that practice at the Ricoh, would it be to prevent pitch invasions and other related aggro (ahhh ... a delightful 70s/80s term!), or to prevent the mass suicides by hanging at another City capitulation?

 

[I_Saw_Shaw_Score]

Jonty Rhodes...what a fielder.

On a par with Trevor Penney!!

 

[italiahorse]

Except of course that fans haven't been throwing flares at each other at CCFC matches*, so where's the safety issue that has led to the council to threaten to close down the ground? Indeed, where's the example of another council that have behaved in this way towards to their local football team? Normally it's the FA who deal with these kinds of issues (e.g. Blackpool).

* At the rate we're going at you'd need an arm like Jonty Rhodes to be able to hit the nearest fan to you with any kind of missile.

The idea is to prevent anything serious happening.
The responsible authorities will always err on the side of safety which to some is over the top.
I assume there would be a quantified risk assessment done by ACL that would flag the issues here.
An effects analysis would then have to be actioned to reduce the figures.

 

[Grendel]

The idea is to prevent anything serious happening.
The responsible authorities will always err on the side of safety which to some is over the top.
I assume there would be a quantified risk assessment done by ACL that would flag the issues here.
An effects analysis would then have to be actioned to reduce the figures.

Why have Blackpool not been sanctioned then? Acl shouldn't be responsible for risk assesment - that's the FL and police surely.

 

[italiahorse]

Why have Blackpool not been sanctioned then? Acl shouldn't be responsible for risk assesment - that's the FL and police surely.

ACL are ultimately responsible for safety at the Ricoh. The FL, Council and Police will advise.
Thought Blackpool got fined £50K and played a game behind closed doors when they got a game abandoned.

 

[hutch1972]

Leicester played an fa cup match at HR behind closed doors ( v Burton iirc). West Ham in late 70s early 80s. Can't think of any more myself.

 

[duffer]

The idea is to prevent anything serious happening.
The responsible authorities will always err on the side of safety which to some is over the top.
I assume there would be a quantified risk assessment done by ACL that would flag the issues here.
An effects analysis would then have to be actioned to reduce the figures.

So again, show me a single council who have ever threatened to have their local football team play behind closed doors? You're clearly trying to defend this, I wonder why?

 

[duffer]

ACL are ultimately responsible for safety at the Ricoh. The FL, Council and Police will advise.
Thought Blackpool got fined £50K and played a game behind closed doors when they got a game abandoned.

Not by their council, that was the FA. Took about three seconds to find that out: Blackpool fined £50,000 for Huddersfield pitch invasion

Any other examples you'd care to share of where a council took this very unusual step? Despite the multiple protests at Blackpool by the fans against their owners, the council there never stepped in as far as I can find - why do you think ours are so keen to?

 

[eedyut]

I suppose when there are 2 or 3 clubs who pretty much always relatively succeed, there has to be 2 or 3 who always fail and all in between. Guru Nanak? Unfortunately we support one of the latter along with I don't know? Oldham? Swindon? Preston?

We seem destined to be shit trudgers, but if we ever caught light it would be a fucking inferno of a rising. We'd put the Leicester seals to shame with our bottled emotion.

 

[italiahorse]

So again, show me a single council who have ever threatened to have their local football team play behind closed doors? You're clearly trying to defend this, I wonder why?

Not what you want to hear I know but the council can close down any business that requires a licence from them.
One of my businesses is subject to yearly and random inspections and can be closed by them if required.
Again I'm branded for putting the other side of the story.
Not what some on here like to hear but it will come a bit stale if we all nod together in synchro.

Just fuelling the fire.....
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