Grendel
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Martin Booty?
Martin Booty?
Grendel
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I find that hard to believe actually - their owner has banged £40 million of his own wealth into the club in the last few years
But we still have a low(ish) budget
skybluetony176
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I think he's actually pumped in more than that but believe it, it's true.
fernandopartridge
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Isn't he the owner of the Card Factory empire?
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skybluetony176
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Think he sold it and that's where his wealth came from. There was an interesting article about them in the Times (IIRC) when they were about to play Man City in the cup. Talked mainly about the manager and ethos at the club but drew the comparison between their budget and Rotherhams (being the same) and the gulf between them in the league (being opposite ends of the table). Was a good read.
AFCCOVENTRY
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Well you could say a lot of our signings in the last 3 transfer windows feel like unwanted shit from a car boot sale...
fernandopartridge
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In fairness, it's been a pretty sharp turnaround for them. They were struggling not that long ago.
pastythegreat
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I honestly still don't get how and why fans still aren't grasping the basic rules of FFP!
"We're backing the manager and funding it??"
Where exactly are the funds to come from?? Even if SISU were willing to throw millions at the squad in the summer, do you not think the EFL will see something amiss when a club in League 2 with 5k ST holders and no other income have just splashed £6m in the summer window?!?!
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italiahorse
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No, if we perform as budgeted we will finish 8th. If we underperform we will be lower.
Happy with that ?
skybluetony176
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True. The turnaround is from appointing Wagner as manager I think. I don't think although I don't know for sure it's down to increasing the budget and spanking millions that you weren't before on wages and transfer fee's, even then they're hardly spending like Newcastle, Norwich, Villa, Wolves or any of the teams that they're competing with at the top end of the table. Pretty sure the current owner predates Wagner's appointment by some years just seems to have got the right man at the right time for the club.
Link here to the article How Huddersfield Town's transformation into Premier League promotion candidates started with a box of chocolate raisins
italiahorse
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We can expect twice as many fans as most teams in D2. Most clubs won't better a 100k rent and 75k f&b combination so why not a top spot budget ?
hill83
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Pumped, banged or spanked. Which is it?
Moff
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Top 8 budget is better than bottom 16.
If we over perform by one place we will be in the play offs. Would that be ok with you or would you still find something to moan about?
italiahorse
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Why leave it to overperforming?
Just apply Fair play rules and give us a top place budget.
Someone has to moan rather than roll over on TF statements.
skybluetony176
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Take your pick. Although I thought you were describing a Saturday night in the SBT bedroom for a moment there.
Moff
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Why leave it to over performing? Because that's where we are and apart from going to more games I can't do anything about it at the moment.
If it's top 8 it gives us a good chance. I would prefer us not to be in that league and would like us to have a top budget whichever league we are in, but we are where we are, and I think with the right recruitment and Robins we will do well.
As for moaning we have all done it. It doesn't change a thing nor put you on a pedestal.
pastythegreat
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So we pay 100k on rent and make 75k on F&B. So that's 25k. Still not looking like a top 1 budget from where I'm sitting! More fans yes but we won't make (like most teams) 100% of F&B, parking, conferences.
Since when did being a 'big spender' guarantee promotion/championship status anyway? Just look at Man City! Derby last season spent millions, QPR year on year throw money at a team the never gets promoted! How long have Sheff Utd been in League 1 and have had one of if not the biggest budget of the league. Finished below us last season with at least double the budget!
People put so much emphasis on the budget!
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chiefdave
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Given that we're told virtually nobody is getting a season ticket why would we be budgeting on having some of the biggest crowds in the division?
5K average attendance would put is 8th in the L2 attendance table. If our season ticket renewals are at the levels being suggested that sort of attendance would be optimistic.
5K average attendance would put is 8th in the L2 attendance table. If our season ticket renewals are at the levels being suggested that sort of attendance would be optimistic.
torchomatic
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25K then. Not even enough to pay one player for the year.
Monkeyface
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This doesn't really have anything to do with the size of the budget, it's the value behind the statement. If TF told us MR would have a top four Premier League budget nobody would listen. The trust has gone, and that's that!
I've said since Christmas, when it became clear we were going down, that I wouldn't be renewing my ST. Admittedly I'm starting to get that "what if this is our year" feeling that keeps me buying them, but none of my friends will be getting one and I won't get one on my own. People just do not trust anything that comes from the club... absolutely nothing!
If you think about it, a top eight budget is something to be quite excited about. Especially with manager who as somebody has already said, seems to fit our club. But how many times have we heard "top X budget" or "tools to do the job". Other than selling up, the best thing SISU could do is ditch TF. He just represents everything that has gone wrong over the last few years, and offers no confidence at all. In fact, I think he is worse for the club than SISU, at least in terms of public image.
I've said since Christmas, when it became clear we were going down, that I wouldn't be renewing my ST. Admittedly I'm starting to get that "what if this is our year" feeling that keeps me buying them, but none of my friends will be getting one and I won't get one on my own. People just do not trust anything that comes from the club... absolutely nothing!
If you think about it, a top eight budget is something to be quite excited about. Especially with manager who as somebody has already said, seems to fit our club. But how many times have we heard "top X budget" or "tools to do the job". Other than selling up, the best thing SISU could do is ditch TF. He just represents everything that has gone wrong over the last few years, and offers no confidence at all. In fact, I think he is worse for the club than SISU, at least in terms of public image.
italiahorse
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If we are winning and top we will exceed 10,000.
If are average (on budget) we can expect less than 5,000.
Plan for 10,000, budget for 10,000 and staying within fair play rules give us a chance of promotion.
Perhaps even chuck some of the cup and player sale takings in and increase the chances.
Maybe even chuck the legal fees in for free and stop chasing a loosing battle.
Don't give these Sisu puppets any excuses and except their mediocrity.
Didn't work in D1 and won't work in D2.
italiahorse
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Think about that,
It costs £25K to play at the Ricoh. That's not a total income. (Sometimes I wonder with people)
All the ticket money is effectively ours.
As is sales of kit etc plus any other incomes the lazy arses can make instead of moaning about not getting it for free.
Don't give them oxygen by excepting what TF tells us.
It's bollocks and if we do the same we get the same !!!
clint van damme
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I'm getting one because I'm starting to get that what if this is our last year feeling!
italiahorse
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FFS don't plan for 5K plan for 10K.
That's exactly what TF is doing when he blames the fans.
clint van damme
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I think you may have a point and I've often wondered whether this F&B malarky is just a smoke screen.
The biggest potential revenue stream open to the club is the 20,000 unsold seats yet they seem to be doing nothing to try and fill them or hold on to the ST holders they currently have.
torchomatic
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Yes "all the ticket money" which is why boycotting damages CCFC not SISU. And why we need all the external income streams we can get else we won't get anywhere.
chiefdave
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Lets say Fisher does that. Consider that its highly unlikely we'll get 10K in L2 given our best season in L1 we just about managed 12K. So when we're well short on the budget what then?
Add in the ever increasing matchday costs and you're north of £.5m to play at the Ricoh.
pastythegreat
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Budget for 10k and expect 5k to turn up and stay within FFP rules??? Just think about why what your proposing makes absolutely no sense AT ALL!!
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ccfcway
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Think I might still have that on VHS
chiefdave
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Realistically what do you do to fill those seats? Look at this weekend, just won the cup, legends day, glorious sunshine and a tenner to get in and barely any increase in attendance.
steve82
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FFP don't apply as such in league one and two as it does in the prem and championship.
It's instead governed by SCMP where you can only spend a maximum 55% of income however you can invest as much as you like as long as it's a "gift" not a loan. Plus you can add any player sales into the pot as extra too to boost your 55% budget
italiahorse
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Best ever
I guarantee that if we are top we will beat that.
As I said, don't settle for mediocre.
Match day costs are paid regardless.
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ccfcway
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it wasn't really anything more than a pre season friendly. If we were competitive in the league, the attendance would have been far superior
clint van damme
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the marketing is appalling,. There's a massive disconnect between the owners and the support, TF has acknowledged this, but the efforts to re-connect with the support are poor to non existent.
The reduced ticket prices were a good idea and I think the crowd would have been a lot lower Saturday had it not been for the offer so credit for that.
But my concern is next year, sisu must be aware of the projected poor ticket sales but don't seem to be doing anything about it. Not putting out an offer on STs after the final was a big mistake in my book.
Maybe they'll surprise me and come up with something special in the summer!