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Season ticket prices 17/18 season (15 Viewers)
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Grendel
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Possibly but it's acknowledged the Orient owner has spent money - a lot more than that - and well I guess there are exiting the league....
Legends day low prices a shot in the dark though. This season is over and you aren't going to attract people in for what is essentially a dead rubber, people only have so much good will to spread around. I live in Bristol. Would I buy a season ticket at a reasonable price, yes - even with SISU at the helm. Not now though. When you add fuel and parking to watch us play Morecombe it becomes a bit silly.
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steve82
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People would of still found reason if it was capped at £250.... while sisu are here people will find reason and the fact we will be in the 4th tier of the football leagues.
Personally looking at other clubs prices were the lowest of the sides going down and likely average in league two.
I don't personally think there would be any spike in sales if it was say £250.
Remember fans said they were not returning regardless
The Reverend Skyblue
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I think that Les Reid article is incredibly patronising to most fans of the club.
Firstly I've nothing against Reid and actually agree on most he says , but the reason that thousands of fans will not be buying or renewing season tickets is not because of SISU / council but because the clubs direction and connection with the fans has been totally lost .
Coupled with that and paying good money to watch the worst side since the sixties and the lack of fight and passion shown by those players has been one last step in the wrong direction.
For most it's not about the legal fight between SISU and council , the team is totally shit and most of the players are pub standard at best with no backbone.
We've won 8 games this season and it's natural that's why most won't renew.
Entertainment companies have to invest to attract business, sooner or later the club has to invest some money into buying better players that will then attract back those who have left.
Firstly I've nothing against Reid and actually agree on most he says , but the reason that thousands of fans will not be buying or renewing season tickets is not because of SISU / council but because the clubs direction and connection with the fans has been totally lost .
Coupled with that and paying good money to watch the worst side since the sixties and the lack of fight and passion shown by those players has been one last step in the wrong direction.
For most it's not about the legal fight between SISU and council , the team is totally shit and most of the players are pub standard at best with no backbone.
We've won 8 games this season and it's natural that's why most won't renew.
Entertainment companies have to invest to attract business, sooner or later the club has to invest some money into buying better players that will then attract back those who have left.
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Grendel
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I don't think the pricing is an issue as such (or shouldn't be)
As one poster said they should have done associated benefits.
Also I would have had a flat £299 price round the ground which would represent a reduction.
The issue mostly spouted here is with the owners so I'm not sure a reduction in price with the same owners would make a difference.
If they really did lower prices to Bradford levels it would have to work or they'd be putting them up again next season. I'm not convinced it would.
It's a shame they can't isolate one corner block and sell tickets there at £200 but make the actual purchasers sit there and see if it sells out.
Also Bradford is a buy early offer. Would our fans accept this or complain they haven't seen the assembled squad yet?
As one poster said they should have done associated benefits.
Also I would have had a flat £299 price round the ground which would represent a reduction.
The issue mostly spouted here is with the owners so I'm not sure a reduction in price with the same owners would make a difference.
If they really did lower prices to Bradford levels it would have to work or they'd be putting them up again next season. I'm not convinced it would.
It's a shame they can't isolate one corner block and sell tickets there at £200 but make the actual purchasers sit there and see if it sells out.
Also Bradford is a buy early offer. Would our fans accept this or complain they haven't seen the assembled squad yet?
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Of course people would find a reason not to go, that's the whole point. So, so many people don't want to renew because of the shite they have had to endure.
All they need is one reason not to renew, and the club have just managed to achieve it.
Average pricing means nothing. It is all an absolute rip off, and it being the same cost, if not more expensive than last season is quite frankly a joke. £200 and you would get a lot more renewing in my opinion, myself possibly included.
Nick
Administrator
Or filming fans going into earlier rounds...
chiefdave
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If you have a ST in block 18 you've had a 40% increase in two seasons!
steve82
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That's the only thing I do think is wrong, block 18 is not classed as a premium seating area to me.
dongonzalos
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Wish there was a treble like button. On a serious note haven't read all the thread yet. But I bet it doesn't compare that bad to the rest of the league.
If the owners refuse to invest in the club ,ticket revenue will be vital. Unfortunately this decision needed to be delivered with some very clever marketing and some incentives.
Also if it's true that some people's tickets have gone up then that's ridiculous.
I don't necessarily disagree with a price fix.
Unfortunately the news needed to be delivered by a chairman the fans like and the rationale explained in a positive manner before it is announced.
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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The Bradford model would not work now, because too many fans are disillusioned with the club and are part way through a divorce with it.
I believe the ideal time to drop something like that would be next season if we got promoted, sensibly though of course. For example, if the club said if you sell 10,000 ST's it is £200, and i you sell 15,000 ST's it is £150. Make everyone pay a £50 non-refundable deposit with an opt out after they come off sale. Win-win.
As for this season, there was always not going to be many renewing, but they would have substantially more if they had dropped the cost and added a decent intensive in. The way it is now is just going to be a disaster.
Colin Steins Smile
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Good points and well made OSB! My concern is that the clubs leadership have only one business model, which has failed to deliver the positive outcomes surely they would want & to blindly follow their current mantra will not change our fortunes. The saying goes about repeating the same thing and expecting a different result!
In terms of managing the "risk" there are a couple of scenarios which I think should be considered by the leadership:
Are CCFC prepared to commit 55% of income to the playing side, which is the maximum allowed under FFP? If so, they need to make this very clear to the fan base, as currently there is no transparency regarding elements of the business model.
n.b. Before anyone jumps on this stating it could adversely affect our negotiating position for players.....I do not advocate a GBP figure on this being circulated.
Currently, due to alienation of the fan base, a very low "take up" in ST sales of circa 2000 is a realistic projection and should be the basis for the projected budget. This would lead to a very difficult recruitment and development period for the manager & a potential further spiral downwards in the clubs fortunes.
However, if the club can look like they are serious about returning the club to Div 1 at the first attempt, then it's still possible that the ST sales could be significantly higher. A start would be to retain the best of our talented academy graduates and add some seasoned players in key positions.
Additionally, we know there are numerous ways of massaging the FFP figures to give wriggle room for MR, if required, but this would need extensive contacts with external stakeholders to realise.
Fundamentally, will the club commit to 55% of income for the development of the team and that budget under MR's control?
torchomatic
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We're in block 17 so ours count as being Standard, which saves a few quid.
Voice_of_Reason
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The problem as I see it is NOT the cost of a Season Ticket but one of having no confidence in SISU. SISU are the problem, not the cost.
KarmicChris
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The price comes second in my opinion. I paid it last year after all.
It's the principle as many on here have said. Ok have my £300, but where is it going to go? If last season is any judge it's going on court cases and managerial payoffs. No thank you!
I'm 24, had a season ticket for the last 2/3 seasons at Highfield Rd, Been at the Ricoh every year since (worked there for a few seasons so couldn't get one but went to all the matches regardless) Didn't go Northampton and not going next year. Seeing Jodi Jones dropping £600 in a roulette machine in a high street bookies a few months back didn't help either. :android:
It's the principle as many on here have said. Ok have my £300, but where is it going to go? If last season is any judge it's going on court cases and managerial payoffs. No thank you!
I'm 24, had a season ticket for the last 2/3 seasons at Highfield Rd, Been at the Ricoh every year since (worked there for a few seasons so couldn't get one but went to all the matches regardless) Didn't go Northampton and not going next year. Seeing Jodi Jones dropping £600 in a roulette machine in a high street bookies a few months back didn't help either. :android:
steve82
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I'm in 21 so it's up to me if I'm prepared to pay £15 for league two football. Or I pay £13 and move to somewhere vacant I like on each match day.
That's the only question for me. Am I prepared to pay x price for league two football? And I'm ok to pay it so I will renew and hope others do too and support Mark Robins.
I understand some won't renew for various reason personal to them but that's the consumers choice at the end of the day.
torchomatic
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I think it is disappointing that the tickets weren't lowered a little, even by a token amount, but like you I feel that the total cost for me and my lad to watch every game - even in L2 - is good value. And, as I've said countless times I would have renewed whatever. Debating whether to renew or not will never be an issue for me as I will renew whatever league we find ourselves in.
Each to their own and I respect those who choose not too. Similarly respect should be shown to those who choose to renew and not be vilified as in posts by Senor Santiago, which does nothing for "unity".
NortonSkyBlue
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You were doing so well.
The Reverend Skyblue
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If they do invest , say just a million over an average league two budget and we are very competitive scoring goals for fun crowds will be 13-15000. Being top we could exceed that.
That extra million will obviously be repaid pretty quickly with increased crowds.
SISU really need to bite the bullet and build on this huge good will and feeling for the club we all got from the Wembley final, if they don't do it this next season the feeling will go. Be really competitive with Robins in charge and investment will get repaid
That extra million will obviously be repaid pretty quickly with increased crowds.
SISU really need to bite the bullet and build on this huge good will and feeling for the club we all got from the Wembley final, if they don't do it this next season the feeling will go. Be really competitive with Robins in charge and investment will get repaid
skybluebeduff
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We've only waited 10 years for SISU to do it, what's another summer?
Sbarcher
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I agree. Next season really is the make or break. We "should" be grabbing at automatic and that will bring in the fans (even in L2) so it won't really be a gamble if SISU (sorry, CCFC) put their hand in their pocket. If they do that and f**k it up then we 're all doomed, I say we're all doomed.
SkyBlueScottie
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The past few weeks its been brilliant to seer the football club interacting with the City, kids wearing City tops, school kids wearing CCFC scarves to school. It was a reminder of how detached the club has become. I also believe the same effect has been felt by the players, they are going to schools, kids are interested in them. The atmosphere at the ground was much improved and we were like a real united Football club, which considering the last 10 years was remarkable. This though, has quite rightly pissed on everyone's chips. To try and claim prices have been frozen is misleading, for prices to have been frozen this means they should have been the same as last year throughout the respective buying periods. For me and my son this seasons costs to sit in the same seat as the last few years represents an increase of nearly £100... Out of a group of 9 people who held season, we are the remaining 4 and at the best, thats down to 2 for next season.
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
had they discounted the price 5% then if 3000 bought tickets at full standard adult early bird price it would cost the club £44,850 compared to what they are doing. If by doing that they then attracted 150 more season tickets they break even. I would guess a little gesture like that would have retained more than 150 renewing
torchomatic
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Totally agree. I suggested earlier than even a small discount of 5% would have worked wonders.
Si80
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You moving Steve?
chiefdave
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Club should give you a seat in the press box!
Nick
Administrator
Interest wasn't paid though was it? Interesting fact though.
chiefdave
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No but it does show how bad the situation is. They should have framed this much better. For a start if they were dropping standard plus or whatever it was called then those blocks should drop to standard not increase to premium.
Some sort of communication explaining why the prices are the same, even if most would call BS, is better than a here's the prices take it or leave it.
Kingokings204
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I reiterate the point I have read many times in this thread. It's not the price that's the problem it's the owners and the direction of the club.
Yes a price freeze hasn't helped upon a miserable relegation but overall £13 a game isn't bad value at all. How many season tickets go to every single game out the 23? Not many I would suspect. Especially this season.
People are just naturally voting with their feet and wallets. It doesn't need a boycott or protests. The protest will be when they only sell half the season ticket to last year. So say 3k ST tops. Many will be kids also.
Unfortunately what ever the club did want going to be good enough so I don't blame them really for keeping the price where it is. If you were getting one then you still will be. If you weren't getting one would 5% discount made a difference. Not for me.
With new owners which in my eyes in the only answer before we are relegated to the conference fans would of paid £400. Says it all.
Yes a price freeze hasn't helped upon a miserable relegation but overall £13 a game isn't bad value at all. How many season tickets go to every single game out the 23? Not many I would suspect. Especially this season.
People are just naturally voting with their feet and wallets. It doesn't need a boycott or protests. The protest will be when they only sell half the season ticket to last year. So say 3k ST tops. Many will be kids also.
Unfortunately what ever the club did want going to be good enough so I don't blame them really for keeping the price where it is. If you were getting one then you still will be. If you weren't getting one would 5% discount made a difference. Not for me.
With new owners which in my eyes in the only answer before we are relegated to the conference fans would of paid £400. Says it all.
Brylowes
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Even a small reduction would have been enough to keep some they will now lose, as well
As being a goodwill gesture.
It's just another decision that convinces me they don't really want our support, when they
Finally put this club out of its misery it will be our fault.
Hugh Jarse
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That's assuming the £1M is actually used to improve the squad and not get swallowed up into the great piss pot that is SISU.