Ian1779
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Labour have to engage the 11m that did not vote last time out to stand a chance - which is more than any single party managed last time.
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Labour have to engage the 11m that did not vote last time out to stand a chance - which is more than any single party managed last time.
Terry Gibson's perm
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I will vote Labour as always even though I can't stand Corbyn. I think the horrible tories will storm it.
Philosoraptor
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I understand a member from Coventry Labour Party has jumped ship today and gone to Coventry Conservatives. It is what's needed though. We need a clear separation between the two major parties. Imagine how many of the councillors and MPs in the local party have thought about which party to sign up to and came to the decision it's easier to come to power from within Labour.
Their representative policy of taking a broad spectrum of society as Councillors and MP's fails miserably when you pick members from the spectrum that are basically cocks to represent the interests of the membership.
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chiefdave
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Exactly right. I've never seen Corbyn as a potential PM but he could have been a stepping stone to get Labour back on track as a genuine opposition and alternative. They should have been looking to the huge number of people who don't vote and look at the people who joined under Corbyn.
Go for those people. A lot of them are people who have become disenfranchised from politics as they feel their vote is meaningless and there is little difference between the parties. With the conservatives moving to the right in an attempt to regain UKIP votes and the Lib Dems virtually extinct this was a prime time for Labour to take advantage of the chaos of the referendum and if not win at least make serious ground.
Instead you've got career politicians more concerned about maintaining their own pay packet than representing their members. Has any party ever had such a disconnect between the parliamentary party and the ordinary membership?
chiefdave
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To me the fact that its possible for someone to jump from Labour to Conservative sums up a lot of what is wrong with politics.
Liquid Gold
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I think Corbyn's main mission was to rejuvenate the NEC so that it was easier to have more left wing candidates picked by the membership. That's obviously in tatters now and I think after he loses this election he'll be out.
FWIW I think Clive Lewis would be a great prime minister and is my tip for next leader if he can get on the ballot. He has a fairly left wing constituency so would have to remain left to keep his seat but also seems to be acceptable to the MPs as he's more centrist than Corbyn. Also served in Afghanistan so would quell any talks about Labour being unpatriotic.
FWIW I think Clive Lewis would be a great prime minister and is my tip for next leader if he can get on the ballot. He has a fairly left wing constituency so would have to remain left to keep his seat but also seems to be acceptable to the MPs as he's more centrist than Corbyn. Also served in Afghanistan so would quell any talks about Labour being unpatriotic.
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Ian1779
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I look at some of the new breed of MP's that have come through to the Shadow Cabinet after the mass walkout - Rayner, Lewis, Burgon to name 3 and see them all as potential future leaders.
Liquid Gold
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An interesting point is that Labour have a massive war chest from all the new members and those who paid to vote in the leadership election. The conservatives are normally better funded but will their normal donors from the financial sector be willing to give based on them, usually, wanting us to stay in the eu and May pushing for us to leave even the single market.
torchomatic
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Well hopefully a chance to get rid of Corbyn without waiting for a few more years. I can rejoin the Party then.
Liquid Gold
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You shouldn't have left, the party needs a well rounded voice.
torchomatic
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The day after he beat Owen Smith I cancelled my membership after 30 years. A Labour party needs to be in power to change lives and to stop the Tories. Unfortunately, people like Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnell are incapable and bordering on madness. No one would vote for them in the numbers needed. For the first time in my life I won't be voting Labour this time.
I would never vote Tory that leaves me with the Greens or the LDs.
Liquid Gold
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But you don't change a party from the outside. My CLP has been slowly having less of the Corbyn personality cult and I think if he can leave the party with credible left wing policies and an electable leader instead of the right of centre malaise we were in then it will have been a success.
torchomatic
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I don't have a problem with the direction, just the people. Chakrabarti was another total fuck up.
skybluedan
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free the weed Teresa
SIR ERNIE
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Yes, they've got such a great record on these two issues haven't they.
They should throw in multiculturalism and managing the economy too.
It would be a landslide.
chiefdave
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This is the route they should have gone down. I don't think he even wants to be PM. If they'd backed him I reckon they could have done a deal with him to leave after the referendum for someone more electable.
The way they PLP went on the attack from day one just put his, and his supporters, backs up so they dug their heels in.
torchomatic
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Labour all my life but I can't see anything but total annihilation for Corbyn.
Captain Dart
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May is screwing over Labour because they can't put a replacement in for Corbyn before the election. A very smart tactics. Labour are doomed. I don't think the SNP will emerge with as many MPs as they have now either.
oakey
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The Tories are brilliant at jostling for position, selecting and replacing leaders and superb at calling and winning elections. They run rings around all their opponents.
Sadly, people fail to notice they are useless at running the country and, on this occasion, will run the country towards a cliff edge and it will be too late to stop them when people wake up to the responsibility that your vote gives you.
Still, we will have our country back, roughly in the state it was in around 1965, a failing post-colonial rustbucket.
If only we could have CCFC back to 1965!
Sadly, people fail to notice they are useless at running the country and, on this occasion, will run the country towards a cliff edge and it will be too late to stop them when people wake up to the responsibility that your vote gives you.
Still, we will have our country back, roughly in the state it was in around 1965, a failing post-colonial rustbucket.
If only we could have CCFC back to 1965!
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westcountry_skyblue
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Left wing socialism is dead,The last time a centre/left party got voted in was over 40 years ago.
Corbyn and his cronies are living in a world that existed in the 70's.
Michael Foot's result in 83 will look good compared to Corbyn's!!
Corbyn and his cronies are living in a world that existed in the 70's.
Michael Foot's result in 83 will look good compared to Corbyn's!!
Ian1779
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Suppose you'll convieniently ignore that the national debt has rocketed since 2010. Add to that the Tories turning an NHS surplus into eye-watering debt over 6 years and you have the Tory master plan...
Keep the rich rich - fuck the poor. Then blame the immigrants.
Liquid Gold
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I don't think it's as clear cut as that. Young people in particular see left socialism as an attractive proposition compared with neo-liberal centrists and right nationalists.
RegTheDonk
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Probaly a good thing for Labour. They've now got 5 years to sort themselves out, instead of waiting for 8.
M&B Stand
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What's the Labour master plan?
More money to those on benefits - tax the hard working and more immigrants...
Liquid Gold
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We'd have enough money for an immigrant each if we closed the fucking tax loopholes that the Tories are so keen on.
chiefdave
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Captain Dart
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Sky News in Nuneaton town centre today, apparently it is a bell weather seat. Everyone they interviewed said they were voting Tory.
Captain Dart
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LOL, nothing about sorting out BREXIT. Talk about evading the real issue.
Nothing about defence either.
Grendel
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Coincidental.
torchomatic
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I can see Lewis and Starmer as future leaders. Not someone like Burgon though. He's as embarrassing as Corbyn. They really seem to live outside of reality. Burgon once likened Corbyn to Martin Luther King.
Liquid Gold
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Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know you were in the prime minister's inner circle.
torchomatic
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Yes it's one of the most important marginals in the country.