Astute
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How about saying what results they were getting before he joined and then how they did once he was in place?
Or is it that the results don't go with the shit you are chatting as usual.
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Or is it that the results don't go with the shit you are chatting as usual.
Grendel
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With respect you could answer my question. How much inroads did he make on the football powerhouse Burton and Bristol City. Did he close the gap on them in his tenure?
A simple yes or no will suffice rather than the usual dull "twisting my words" and "chatting shit" diatribe.
Astute
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Answer your question when I am still waiting for an answer?
So what was the points difference between the clubs you mention when he took over?
Robins turned us around. But how is that possible when our results were not as good as Blackburns under Mowbray?
Oh yes I just remembered. You cry when someone doesn't answer you but you rarely answer anyone.
Skyblueweeman
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FFS, we didn't win a game in the first TEN games. Anyone who thinks Mowbray wasn't complicit in our relegation is bonkers. He was most definitely one of the main reasons we went down.
Don't care what he did at Blackburn but with us, most definitely at fault.
I can't believe some are still sticking up for him.
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Don't care what he did at Blackburn but with us, most definitely at fault.
I can't believe some are still sticking up for him.
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Irish Sky Blue
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Weren't you the chap who hailed Russell Slade as the Messiah?
With there owners and TM heading the recruitment drive for a season in league one good luck.
Best hope they've plenty of contracted players willing to stay on in league one.
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It can be said that in the end Mowbray failed here. He is in good company with another 7 or 8 managers who have all failed here. The one consistent factor is Sisu.
When TM first took over, we were heading for the drop. Anyone who saw the final games of that season will have witnessed the changes that he brought about in order to win enough games to stay up, working with the same group of players that under SP were sinking without trace.
Why is he getting grief when he saved us from relegation?
His only full season saw us playing the best football City have played for years. He brought in the first player to score 20 in a season since Dion Dublin. We were top of the league and flying. Yes we fell away but our 8th place finish was equal highest league position for many years.
Why is he getting grief when he achieved this?
Lots will come back and say we should have gone up last season being in such a great position, in which case he is being hung out to dry for raising expectations. I think he got us to have a fairly memorable season in spite of Sisu. At the start of this season lots were saying we had a top six budget, no excuse for failure until Fisher (who on this occasion has no reason to lie) said we had a lower mid table budget.
He can be criticised for our no wins in ten at the start of the season but no one really knows what went on behind the scenes last summer. Those first ten games saw 6 draws and we were never outplayed and were still looking organised. I for one think if TM had stayed we would never have been relegated.
He did the honourable thing and resigned, did not wait to be sacked and pick up a pay check, typical it seems to me of the sort of person he is.
To me he came across as a real traditional football manager, someone who hadn't lost touch with his roots and with the supporters. His after match comments, I think, were generally spot on. I really liked the way he referred to "boys and their dad's going to the football" probably harking back to his own childhood. I also liked the way he didn't do the fist pumping to the fans after a win, he didn't try and court false popularity.
I think it is a shame that some fans turn very quickly and that the man who is the messiah one minute can become a mug the next.
It will be the same for Robins too. I like him and he is popular with the fans. As with TM, he made an impact with the same players who had been constantly failing. However, as soon as we go on a bad run, some fans will have the knives out for him as he becomes yesterday's hero. At some stage there has to be a long term strategy at this club which includes the manager. He needs to be given the tools and the time to fashion the club into a successful cohesive unit from top to bottom. Outline a strategy for success and stick to it. Unfortunately that will never happen under Sisu as everything is short term. There is no football plan.
I hope Mowbray is kept on at Blackburn and gets them promotion next season.
the rumpo kid
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churlish post . a good man who wasnt backed here , and has little to deal with now, but think he will help them masivley
JimmyHillsbeard
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so 4 if you count Rotherham?
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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The thing is, now Blackburn have been relegated, people are even more defensive of him. It just proves how much bias and arse licking is going on.
The players we had up until christmas were his doing. Being on zero wins after 10 games were his doing. We all know Slade, SISU etc were big factors in our relegation too, but we're not talking about that here. This is about Mowbray. The two things I mentioned above were instrumental in our relegation and anyone who argues against that just cannot be taken seriously in a debate. It's a non starter.
Yes he gave Blackburn a good go, but they were still relegated. He was fucking shocking after November last year and you can't say: 'He left too early here, but arrived too late there, so none of the relegations are at all his fault.' It's just horse shit. He is highly responsibile for us going to L2 and we would have struggled to stay up regardless of who took over after him.
If Blackburn had stayed up today, many people such as yourself would be saying what a great manager he is. Now he's taken them into League 1 though, 'it's not his fault at all'.
Give me a fucking break.
covcity4life
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Nice to see majority posting sense in here. I was dreading clicking on it haha.
I will put a fiver on them going up next season probably.
I will put a fiver on them going up next season probably.
Astute
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I am not sticking up for him. As I said his signings were not good enough. But just read back. Some are trying to say that it wasnhis fault alone that we got relegated and his fault that Blackburn went down.
Both clubs have something in common. Shit owners. But it is as though some want to blame Mowbray for everything.
steve82
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Yes I was... what's that got to do with this thread? I stick my neck out on his cv but it's wasn't the right fit for the players we had. A bad appointment from above given his style of play and personnel available to him. Put with the fact his s game needs a target man it was only ever gonna go wrong especially as he had no plan B.
Now to TM. I've never questioned him for much and enjoyed his time here and as you say was generally honest in his assessment however the summer recruitment was horrific!
We can say the budget was cut but that don't excuse any manager for not identifying affordable players for the level we're playing at and teams against.
Decisions like releasing Arron Martin, and then paying money out the budget for Jordan Turnbull. A like for like average replacement.
TM only said in the may we needed our own players instead of being heavily reliant on loans which hamstrung any real January recruitment to supplement what we had and help for the flagging AA. Instead we needed defensive reinforcements and that totalled our loans, after building a team around loans. Yes sisu should of put there hands in there pockets too to help the man out.
So 12 months on and he's still going for a team of maxed out loans. Why not get players in on frees that were available that the rest of the league were snapping up.
Yes last season TM had us enjoying football for the first time in ages but that ended spectacularly, with only 6 wins in 2016 with 4 of them in the last 5 games. That's January, February, March and half of April with 2 wins in 16 games since the demolition of Crewe 5-0 at Gresty Road.
Would TM of actually saved us if he'd of stayed, I'm not so sure. We had not won in 10 games on good pitches with a lightweight, goal shy side who were yet to get battered and bullied about in the winter months as we did. The squad assembled wasn't good enough to go 46 games or 23 till the next transfer window to try and re do on loans again.
I don't think he did a bad job at Blackburn with a side with some good strikers already there, was bad luck in the end.
Will he get them promoted, possibly if a bulk of his team stay, if he's a rebuilding job I'm not so sure if he's gonna have the same constraints given there owners.
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Irish Sky Blue
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Arse Licking
NOUN
mass nounBritish
vulgar slang
- The use of flattery or other obsequious behaviour in order to gain favour.
‘that minister got his job from arse-licking’
Why would anyone be biased? What favour is to be gained by the use of flattery. Is Mowbray giving out a tenner to everyone on here who has stuck up for him?
Your opinion obviously differs to mine and lots of others on here but to see it as a conspiracy is odd.
Irish Sky Blue
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My point was that you were championing a manager like Slade who played such an ugly (and losing ) form of football but make quite a sneery comment ("Lord Mowbray" and the comments on the bottom of the Daily Mail article) about someone who, despite his failure at the end, had some notable achievements during his time here, one of which was to produce a team playing free flowing, slick football.
Slade, as with every manager under Sisu, was on a hiding to nothing and I wouldn't particularly criticise him. Mowbray for a while bucked the Sisu trend. For the whole of his time here he behaved with dignity and was very respectful of our club and supporters and therefore in my opinion, doesn't deserve some of the comments made about him on here.
fernandopartridge
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Mowbray's team were hopeless from December 2015 mostly. It wasn't just 11 games this season.
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fernandopartridge
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What do you think of Pressley? He got an even more threadbare squad playing great football
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Irish Sky Blue
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Depends what you mean by threadbare. Moussa, Baker, Wilson, Clarke, Christie, Murphy, all of whom he inherited wouldn't be my idea of threadbare.
steve82
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I agree with a lot you say there, and I did champion slade as his cv suggested he was a miracle worker.
Yes it was ugly style of football but should it work it can win games. That was what we needed and ultimately didn't get like the target man to suit his game.
There is another question. Why bring a man in who played a completely different style of football to the players we had and then not give money to buy that striker and also not give him his assistant to work with.
One of many errors this season.
But to round off I liked what TM stood for and tried to do but his summer recruitment was catastrophic and had a helping hand in this years demise, along with MV, RS, players, and sisu.
That's where I blame TM, the summer recruitment only.
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Brighton Sky Blue
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His incredible choke in the second half of the season that saw us conspire to throw away a nailed on play off spot should hurt more than the way he started this one. Still, the football under him up to that point was some of the most enjoyable we've had in years. So it's difficult to feel much about him either way.
Irish Sky Blue
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I wouldn't particularly criticise Pressley either, although his football after the Sixfields season was some of the worst I have seen, (the Notts County defeat at home being an example). He was however, trying to cut the wage bill while also trying to maintain a decent team. I just wish he had been more honest. Were decisions to get rid of the likes of Baker, Murphy and earlier, Wood really footballing decisions as he claimed or were they really financial? I am sure it was the latter.
steve82
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Transparency would be nice from time to time.... tho like you suggest we already know.
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Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue
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'His CV suggested he was a miracle worker'
- sacked by Cardiff in May and sacked by Charlton in November, a real miracle worker!!
Irish Sky Blue
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Recruitment was poor with signings such as Wright seeming to be done as a last gasp attempt to bring in more bodies. Was this all down to TM or was it down to the way the club is run? Neither of us can say for certain. When Tony and then Tim publish their memoirs it will be interesting to see their respective views. I suspect that Mowbray might hold his hands up and say he was at least partly to blame. I am also sure that Tim will agree it was Tony's fault.
I was disappointed that O'Brien and Phillips left. It has to be said that neither these two or Aaron Martin have pulled up any trees for their new clubs.
steve82
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Wrights a last day I'll take him scenario, like folivi really.
I do feel TM could of and should of looked at out of contract players rather than hold out for the like of kelvin wilsons... let's face it many teams in the league are ran at cost and getting those out of contract players we could of had.
I agree Martin and Phillips haven't set the world alight tho. I think Martin has been injured and Phillips brought in as a second choice.
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steve82
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Easy to look at the last 12 months tho ain't it not what's been achieved in management over a 15 year career and previous firefighting jobs.
Plus not a bad job done at Cardiff while trimming the wage bill.
Didn't work at cov tho the important stat of all, failed badly.
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Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue
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If you do a bit of topline research, you will see that since Grimsby in 2006, where he couldn't agree a new contract, he has been sacked or forced out of the door at every club he's been at... the good work in a 15 year career you're alluding to is losing in the play offs at Grimsby and Leyton Orient, hardly the stuff of miracles.
Nothing in his CV suggested he could turn us around.
steve82
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Your forgetting saving Scarborough, Brighton and Leyton orient and 2 manager of the year awards. 3 play off finals....
I believe his only official sackings were at Brighton, charlton and Coventry. At Cardiff he was moved upstairs in the preseason but I think that's the polite sacking.
Did a very good job at Leyton Orient too.
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Astute
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He had the best two strikers in the whole division. They were scoring goals for fun. But he couldn't sort the defence out. Look what happened when he lost the strikers.
stevefloyd
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When Mowbray 1st came here he inherited a squad got them playing football raising their games and saved us from relegation, next season he had added to the squad got in some great loan players and we were flying then came the crash! he couldnt get the squad to perform again barring a few wins towards the end of the season, any fool to a man watching from the stands could see young Armstrong needed help who did he bring in? Henderson and some other misfits, they all failed he started this last season with his own squad failed in his prime targets and brought in sub standard players, so good manager hmmmm at one point at the start of last season I thought we really had a new messiah but sadly that wasnt to be, he seen what a shit job he had done and shit team he had given us and decided to walk away,,,ohh thanks, so while he isnt wholly to blame he must bear a fair amount of the blame.
When he was here he either didnt know how to react in games we went behind in or he didnt know how to react with tactics, he was outwitted by Presley when we lost ffs but despite all this I still like the guy so good luck to Blackburn with him in charge I hope he does better for them than he done here in the end
When he was here he either didnt know how to react in games we went behind in or he didnt know how to react with tactics, he was outwitted by Presley when we lost ffs but despite all this I still like the guy so good luck to Blackburn with him in charge I hope he does better for them than he done here in the end
Otis
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Did anyone else notice that he cocked up yesterday, or was at least ill informed?
On SSN (Alan McInally I think) they said he brought on attackers and had what seemed like 5 up front. Trouble was that they needed to score 4 more goals to catch Forest, which was never, ever going to have happen.
All the pundits agreed on SSN that Blackburn needed to focus on obtaining the win rather than leave themselves short at the back and give their opponents Brentford a chance to get back into their game, because with Forest winning easily elsewhere their only true hope was in that of themselves simply winning and Bristol getting a draw against Birmingham and Birmingham were very much on the back foot in their game.
Bad error, though like I say, he may have been badly informed.
On SSN (Alan McInally I think) they said he brought on attackers and had what seemed like 5 up front. Trouble was that they needed to score 4 more goals to catch Forest, which was never, ever going to have happen.
All the pundits agreed on SSN that Blackburn needed to focus on obtaining the win rather than leave themselves short at the back and give their opponents Brentford a chance to get back into their game, because with Forest winning easily elsewhere their only true hope was in that of themselves simply winning and Bristol getting a draw against Birmingham and Birmingham were very much on the back foot in their game.
Bad error, though like I say, he may have been badly informed.
Joy Division
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Dont care what he's done with Blackburn but I'll never forgive him for what he did to the club from December 2015 onwards. To have such a good team playing great attacking football with promotion in his hands to completely throwing it away and being nowhere near contention at the end of the season is unforgivable, can't believe how much he's being defended here.
covcity4life
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they ended up 2 goals off forest even though forest won 3 nil, if he had shut up shop at 1 or 2 nil they still would have gone down. makes sense to add to tally and stay up on goal difference. yes you were misinformed that he cocked up.
Gint11
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I dont dislike Mowbray, hes probably a great guy but he is a very average football manager. He is what I call a fair weather manager. When the going is good he is fine, when its bad his qualities drop with it. Simple as that. Stats are stats but ultimately, he has failed everywhere hes gone.
skybluebeduff
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You would think so, but their wage budget must be ridiculous , I expect a mass exodus from Blackburn.
fernandopartridge
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Despite losing Clarke in January, and Wilson with an injury which meant Jordan Clarke had a run out up front. He achieved 8 points less than Mowbray. Mowbray of course having the luxury of Armstrong and Murphy all season, 2 players who have proven they are a level above with Fleck and Vincelot looking likely to follow.