General Election (8 Viewers)
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dutchman
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Well yeah, they can pledge as much as they like since there's zero chance of them having to honour the pledge.
Kingokings204
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Because they are the only party offering the brexit voted for last June. Even then I still fear it will be fudged. Labour don't have a policy on brexit as every labour candidate says something different even Corbyn doesn't know what to do with brexit if he is voted PM. Lib dems and that cretinous irk farron wants a second referendum and stop Brexit. Very democratic of him.
Not really a lot of options if you voted a genuine brexit is there?
I am voting Tory for the first time based purely on brexit. It's the single biggest factor on who to vote for in this particular election whether you like it or not. I will Probably never vote for them again.
Sick Boy
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It my fear that the combination of Brexit and a large Tory majority will ensure that the NHS is finally taken apart.
With regards to Brexit, if I voted for it there is no way I would trust May on that at all. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if she opted for a soft Brexit or if her no deal is better than a bad deal rhetoric would involve staging in the EU.
Corbyn was always eurosceptic up until the referendum, May wasn't! I also thought that TF wanted a referendum on the final deal, not the actual vote?
chiefdave
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The brexit voted for? I don't remember getting any options on what brexit we were having just a yes or no.
Do you really think any other party would totally ignore the result of the referendum? At most you'd get a second vote, most likely at a point at which we know significantly more about the deal on offer than at the last vote. Or is it that you don't want any chance of a second vote as the result may be different?
So far there is zero indication that May is up to the job or that the Conservatives have a plan on how to achieve the best result for the country.
Covstu
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Does anyone know what the best result is for the country? I don't think anyone can answer that really
Sick Boy
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Avoiding stagnating wages and inflation? Avoiding job losses? Attempting to heal the divisions in society and seeking the option for those who want to retain some sort of link to the EU via citizenship? Avoiding the privatisation of the NHS (unlikely)? Ensuring that food safety and standards do not fall?
clint van damme
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It my fear that the combination of Brexit and a large Tory majority will ensure that the NHS is finally taken apart.
With regards to Brexit, if I voted for it there is no way I would trust May on that at all. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if she opted for a soft Brexit or if her no deal is better than a bad deal rhetoric would involve staging in the EU.
Corbyn was always eurosceptic up until the referendum, May wasn't! I also thought that TF wanted a referendum on the final deal, not the actual vote?
and they'll blame it on the strain immigrants have put on it rather than admit that they have deliberately defunded it in order to get an American style insurance based health system out in place.
It's been part of the tories remit for years so they can line the pockets of their friends in the big medical insurance companies. it will be a sad they for this country and we won't have the right to call ourselves a civilised society any more when we've abandoned the most vulnerable.
Ian1779
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The country voted for Brexit - there was no discussion on the deal.
It won't matter anyway because the 'deal' will be decided by the EU 27 - not the one leaving sticking 2 fingers up at everyone as it walks out the door.
clint van damme
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that's such a good idea it's a wonder those epicentres of capitalism New York and London don't have public owned local transport systems.....oh, wait a minute!
Liquid Gold
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Our public services are publicly owned. Just by the public of other countries who use ours to subsidise theirs.
Kingokings204
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That's because there is no hard brexit or soft brexit. There is no deal as such. The question was whether we leave the European Union or not? As a country we voted clearly to leave. Brexit means controlling borders and taking back fishing water and making our own laws etc etc etc so that's why there is no deal as such.
Soft and hard brexit is made up by the remain side to muddy the waters and keep Britain locked in to the ruinous single market which seems to be a favourite of theirs. And we all know why.
Kingokings204
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It my fear that the combination of Brexit and a large Tory majority will ensure that the NHS is finally taken apart.
With regards to Brexit, if I voted for it there is no way I would trust May on that at all. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if she opted for a soft Brexit or if her no deal is better than a bad deal rhetoric would involve staging in the EU.
Corbyn was always eurosceptic up until the referendum, May wasn't! I also thought that TF wanted a referendum on the final deal, not the actual vote?
For once we actually agree and I like your post. I actually trust TM well as much as I can do and I have to because as I said she is the only party leader clear on what brexit means and she is going to go for it.i have to vote for them really. Blackmail perhaps? But you know what if she cocks it up then in 5 years when we can see the good or damage she has brought us I can vote for someone else. That's what I like to it.
To me brexit is very simple. And I get you don't like brexit and you voted remain heavily but brexit is happening so we all need her to get the best "deal" for Britain as we all live here except Martcov. (Sure he mentioned he lives in Germany) :happy:
Well at the moment my euros are going further because of brexit, so I'm happy on that front. The UK economy is actually showing first signs of faltering because of the uncertainty. Things were looking up as an EU state, but some ( 45% the UK at the last poll ) seem to be overly optimistic about the effects of Brexit. House prices are alreday falling in the south and the outlook on house prices is "flat" - although there is a high demand. People's pockets are being squeezed as inflation starts to take effect.
I see it as a lose lose situation for both sides - UK and EU. May help Trump to get good trade deals out of both of us, and Vlad may put pressure on the EU to get them to drop sanctions and accept that moving borders in Europe without consent is allowed/ tolerated again. That doesn't help our geographical region much though.
Kingokings204
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Why is it a lose lose as you say?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Very good overviews coming from the House of Commons Library and Houses of Parliament:
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/POST-PB-0022/POST-PB-0022.pdf
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01398/SN01398.pdf
My guess is that such politicians use selective education because it is of higher quality than the comprehensive sector. That is generally not in question and there is a statistically significant, albeit a small, benefit of going to such a school compared to a non-selective one. The reason why is because teachers in these schools have more experience and tend to be subject specialists, which are lacking in mainstream schools. The issue is that it is harder for less affluent kids to get into grammars because they are at several disadvantages when it comes to the 11+. If you build more, you will just widen and cement the gap rather than close it.
SkyblueBazza
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Ah well...errr...good luck. You deserve all you get
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SkyblueBazza
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See fox hunting is no different to pheasant hunting, rabbit trapping, faloneering etc. Just a bit more barbaric & unpleasant to watch in my mind. But on the list of priorities I would place it much further down the list
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Brighton Sky Blue
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'Brexit means Brexit', yeah couldn't get much clearer pal
Brighton Sky Blue
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Question: do you think people voted Remain to inflict damage on their own country, as you are suggesting? Versus those who voted for a pledge on the side of a bus spearheaded by someone who wrote articles in favour of both sides before making a political calculation?
fernandopartridge
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Indeed, May is increasingly showing herself to be completely vacuous. I voted leave but I don't genuinely believe she has any real idea of what Brexit might mean.
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Brighton Sky Blue
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She campaigned against it and I don't think many in the Tory party expected it to happen, so were left unprepared. BoJo assumed he would go down as a gallant loser and boost his succession prospects, as did Gove. Cameron thought it would be a formality for Remain and punted millions on leaflets to support it.
Then we are supposed to believe that this is the party that knows what it's doing.
Kingokings204
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No of course i don't think that.
Oh you mean the voters for remain when the chancellor who said there would be an emergency budget and an immediate recession? House prices would fall overnight?
Look by playing silly games of who lied the most is a zero sum game. I've just gave you three lies from the remain side and you gave the bus bus pledge from leave. Both sides majorly lied. We know that now. Most of us knew it at time.
I don't really get your point.
Kingokings204
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Fair points but that's how out of touch policticans are. They didn't know and care about communities being destroyed in Midlands and northern towns. About jobs and houses also. It's all londoncentric. Sure you agree with that.
Whether you like it or not and I know you don't but we (UK) voted for brexit. It's happening. If you don't like it then vote lib dems. They want a second referendum.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I do not support the Lib Dems' position, and never have done. If this venture fails it will hit me like anyone else so I am hoping that I am wrong and it can still be made a success. But if it flops, it will hit the hardest those who went for it in the biggest numbers. That is what I hate about the political discourse in Britain, that the least well off are convinced to vote against their own self interest and against policies they like.
Brighton Sky Blue
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You said we had a desire to 'lock Britain into the single market'. Looks to me you think we were hoping to damage the country by our vote.
Kingokings204
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Wrong. I am making the point the single market is very good for certain people and their desire to stay in it is for obvious reasons. I'm talking about big business and big policticans who do very well out the single market. unfortunately for small business and people trying to make a way in the world like me as a small business owner and create competition they simply can't compete with all the rules and regs of the single market and therefore can't compete so whilst the big multinationals have to do all this also they can actually afford it and do it meaning their competition is squeezed out. Suits them. De regulating means more people and more small businesses can compete and actually create competition on items such as electrical goods, domestic products and services.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I'm a public sector worker not a business tycoon.
Liquid Gold
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I work for a charity, leaving the EU, and particularly the single market, is going to be very difficult for us and negatively affect thousands of extremely poor people that we work with.
Ian1779
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No one is saying not to respect the result (apart from the Lib Dems who are irrelevant) - however you can't disagree that the 'Leave' campaign was based on a bunch of lies '350m for the NHS a week as an example' and using the notion that immigrants are to blame for the woes of this country is despicable. That's not to say there aren't merits to being outside of the EU - but those 'merits' did not make it to the forefront of the campaign.
If the truth had been told in advance - do you think the country would have voted the same way?