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[Sky Blue Kid]

No the assets would get sold on and ccfc would continue.

If I buy the assets does that mean me and coventry city are the same?

Technically CCFC doesn't exist, they are Otium.

 

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[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

When people mention the NOPM brigade, why do they deliberately miss out everything SISU has achieved for this club to warrant a good enough reason for fans to stay away? Are people really oblivious to the never ending damage they've caused this club?

I know the never ending damage they've caused, they're the primary cause.

Fans can stay away if they think the product is shit, but if they're only doing it because they think SISU will sell the club, then they're deluded.

SISUs involvement will end when they're good and ready

 

[skybluebeduff]

I know the never ending damage they've caused, they're the primary cause.

Fans can stay away if they think the product is shit, but if they're only doing it because they think SISU will sell the club, then they're deluded.

SISUs involvement will end when they're good and ready

You claimed budget increases with more fans, yet accounts show this to not and never has been the case.

 

[covcity4life]

I think the point is targeting the (albeit sometimes shouty) minority who think not going is a way to removing SISU.

Not going because SISU's inaept stewardship has made it impossible to enjoy the whole experience, or because of a general principle against commercialisation of football or whatever, is absolutely fine.

Most of us do the latter, after all!

no one can say for sure that it wont make sisu squirm

let me people do what they want on this one i say

 

[Deleted member 5849]

no one can say for sure that it wont make sisu squirm

let me people do what they want on this one i say

If they're deluded enough to think that they're welcome. It's the calls for others to do similar that goes somewhat against the rest of your wish.

 

[covcity4life]

If they're deluded enough to think that they're welcome. It's the calls for others to do similar that goes somewhat against the rest of your wish.

yeah agree but then people putting nopm down are just as bad

like you said shouty minority on both sides.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

I think the point is targeting the (albeit sometimes shouty) minority who think not going is a way to removing SISU.

Not going because SISU's inaept stewardship has made it impossible to enjoy the whole experience, or because of a general principle against commercialisation of football or whatever, is absolutely fine.

Most of us do the latter, after all!

Whichever category you put yourself into. The ones that no longer attend are NOT the minority. There are much more fans than you give credit to for not attending because they realise any amount of money be it from ST's, POTG, Sales of players, Wembley appearance, does not go back into making our Football Club competitive. Even a blind man(No disrespect to blind people) can see the difference between 22k average gates on SISU tenure to 6-7k gates up to the end of this season including TWO, yes TWO relegations. Absolutely not acceptable.

 

[skybluebeduff]

yeah agree but then people putting nopm down are just as bad

like you said shouty minority on both sides.

Apart from half of the delusional ones are on the side that think more fans equals better budgets, you couldn't make it up.

 

[Nick]

yeah agree but then people putting nopm down are just as bad

like you said shouty minority on both sides.

Putting it down or questioning it?

 

[covcity4life]

Putting it down or questioning it?

"if they are delusional enough to beleive that"

sounds like a putdown to me!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

"if they are delusional enough to beleive that"

sounds like a putdown to me!

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

I am technically the owner

Which is what to do with CCFC being the same as SISU?

No you're not... and the difference is YOU keep moving the goalposts... SISU OWN Otium/CCFC. They have the "Legal documentation" in their possession stating they own the Football Club/Otium business....Until you make the final Mortgage payment and have the "Deeds" in your hands... YOU do not.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

My initial stance in NOPM was that I didn't agree with it but if people felt it was right then fair enough.

I started getting irritated with some NOPM people moaning about the lack of investment. Followed by people going to Wembley and explaining why they're still NOPM

Now I'm fed up of being told I'm the problem. People will get defensive.

 

[Grendel]

No you're not... and the difference is YOU keep moving the goalposts... SISU OWN Otium/CCFC. They have the "Legal documentation" in their possession stating they own the Football Club/Otium business....Until you make the final Mortgage payment and have the "Deeds" in your hands... YOU do not.

It's a stupid comparison as a house owner can under normal circumstances have free reign on selling and moving the mortgage. The owner of the mortgage will not tell them the house to purchase.

 

[Nick]

No you're not... and the difference is YOU keep moving the goalposts... SISU OWN Otium/CCFC. They have the "Legal documentation" in their possession stating they own the Football Club/Otium business....Until you make the final Mortgage payment and have the "Deeds" in your hands... YOU do not.

I haven't moved any goalposts, the discussion was CCFC being the same as SISU. You are now on about my mortgage..

You are the one quite obviously moving the goalposts and will try to do so for pages and pages.

 

[ajsccfc]

I'm fairly sure we've got all the deeds for our house already. Isn't a mortgage just a loan guaranteed against the property that we legally own, which only changes if we break the terms of that loan? I'm not the details man of the operation but if we can sell the house, skip the mortgage and move to sunny Aruba with a briefcase full of cash I'm all in.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

I know the never ending damage they've caused, they're the primary cause.

Fans can stay away if they think the product is shit, but if they're only doing it because they think SISU will sell the club, then they're deluded.

SISUs involvement will end when they're good and ready

I'll add to that highlighted statement of yours..... I've always said SISU were not to be trusted from day one! I've also said They will never replace"At least" like for like or better players than ones they have sold/let walk away. I've always used the Analogy of "If you want me to buy your product, display it first". Year on year the fans have been blamed for poor attendances... You don't advertise steak and put minced meat on show and try and pass it off.

 

[covcity4life]

i think if high attendences resulted in increased budget then alot of fans would still go despite league 2

maybe the club should put out a statement saying we made 500k from checkatrade final or whatever and please to annouce 275k of it will be given to mark robins to use. and then reveal a new signing with it.

something to make fans think their money being put to good use

just an idea.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

i think if high attendences resulted in increased budget then alot of fans would still go despite league 2

maybe the club should put out a statement saying we made 500k from checkatrade final or whatever and please to annouce 275k of it will be given to mark robins to use. and then reveal a new signing with it.

something to make fans think their money being put to good use

just an idea.

Not going to happen though mate

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

2bh I think we're a fickle fan base, if we're top of the league come March I think we'll have towards 20k attendances.

After all one thing we can all agree on is all we want is to see a successful campaign no matter who the owners are

 

[blueflint]

They clearly aren't the same though, are they?

CCFC going bust tomorrow isn't SISU going bust. Seppalla isn't going to lose her house and live in a box.

yes they are unfortunately

 

[ajsccfc]

If he now says 'no they're not sadly' we could be here for months.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

If he now says 'no they're not sadly' we could be here for months.

Please let that happen.

 

[covcity4life]

2bh I think we're a fickle fan base, if we're top of the league come March I think we'll have towards 20k attendances.

After all one thing we can all agree on is all we want is to see a successful campaign no matter who the owners are

i think its gone past the point of fickle. fickle for me was 11k away to man utd in championship days

now i think big attendences for checkatrade semi/final or being top of the league are just what we deserve and its gonna take that to bring fans back who have left not because were shit but because we are badly run.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

So that explains that CCFC is SISU and vice versa how?

I think you'll find OSB58 has already pointed out about Otium being the "Business name" of CCFC and funnily enough Otium ARE owned by SISU

 

[Nick]

yes they are unfortunately

Aren't you going to expand on it then?

 

[Nick]

I think you'll find OSB58 has already pointed out about Otium being the "Business name" of CCFC and funnily enough Otium ARE owned by SISU

Nope, you are still moving the goalposts.

How does that answer how CCFC is the same entity as SISU and vice versa?

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I think you'll find OSB58 has already pointed out about Otium being the "Business name" of CCFC and funnily enough Otium ARE owned by SISU

Nobody has doubted that they're owned by SISU... they're not the same company. As I've used a few times now - Fiat are not the same as Ferrari

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Putting it down or questioning it?

In your case.......... Putting it down!

 

[Nick]

In your case.......... Putting it down!

I don't think it needs anybody to put it down when you are trying to champion it.

 

[olderskyblue]

Nobody has doubted that they're owned by SISU... they're not the same company. As I've used a few times now - Fiat are not the same as Ferrari

Yes, this Fiat is completely different to a Ferrari...

 

[Brylowes]

Hang on !!
That's not right, there's something missing,
Ah yes, where's the statue. :emoji_smirk:

 

[covcity4life]

fiat own juventus

time for peugeot to save the city of coventry.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

fiat own juventus

time for peageot to save the city of coventry.

Just like they saved the car plants?!?

 

[ajsccfc]

Peugeot owned Sochaux until recently, that sale means they could not only afford us but probably Gary Deegan too. Not his disciplinary fines though, they're not Puff Daddy rich.