Sick Boy
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My apologies, but still, I'd expect this to be enough to put of those who raised doubts about Corbyn and the IRA.
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My apologies, but still, I'd expect this to be enough to put of those who raised doubts about Corbyn and the IRA.
Sick Boy
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Johnson, Davis, Patel et al are no better.
clint van damme
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does that matter? If you're calling Corbyn out for his alleged dealings with the IRA isn't it a bit hypocritical when you've got a sitting councillor who's an ex member?
Grendel
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No it's not relevant
clint van damme
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so you don't think every child deserves a chance/
Grendel
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No as that person is t responsible for the defence of the realm.
Sick Boy
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Hahaha!
Grendel
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2,500% inflation, record murder rates, child exploration, totture of political opponents.
Welcome to the utopia
clint van damme
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that's how far to the right this country's swung.
If you want a decent health service, if you want to preserve the NHS, if you want decent pay for nurses and emergency service workers, if you want dignity in old age for pensioners, if you want disabled people to get the support they need, if you want children to receive a decent standard of state education, if you don't want the country in a constant state of war you're considered a Marxist.
RegTheDonk
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You've got a good point on the economy there Harry, based on the last time around. Things were rosey for everbody until the global meltdown. I think Blair and New Labour tried to appease everyone. They sunk money into the public purse, while being generous to the business sector and the rich. They ran up the credit card without too much thought and it literally was boom or bust.
That's the thing the Tories are relying on, when it comes to balancing the books. Yes, they've made progress with the defecit - but too many of the lower masses have had to bite the bullet. "We're all in this together" was Cameron's slogan. A statement almost as daft as the one when he thought an army of volunteers would do all the menail work for free, to keep the bins emptied and the libraries open in his vision of a "big society". YOU DON'T GET MUCH FOR FREE these days, and somebody's got to pay for it.
So while we are scared to trust labour, at least their "money tree" manifesto has had some scrutiny and it does stack up somewhat. The Tories, on the other hand, have pledged to create jobs, create housing, put money into the NHS...but still haven't said who's going to foot the bill.
One thing Corbyn should have done last night when asked about the sums, would have been to ask for a show of hands. Who in the auidence earns more than £80k, because you're going to lose out. Would have got a wry smile from Dimbleby at least
That's the thing the Tories are relying on, when it comes to balancing the books. Yes, they've made progress with the defecit - but too many of the lower masses have had to bite the bullet. "We're all in this together" was Cameron's slogan. A statement almost as daft as the one when he thought an army of volunteers would do all the menail work for free, to keep the bins emptied and the libraries open in his vision of a "big society". YOU DON'T GET MUCH FOR FREE these days, and somebody's got to pay for it.
So while we are scared to trust labour, at least their "money tree" manifesto has had some scrutiny and it does stack up somewhat. The Tories, on the other hand, have pledged to create jobs, create housing, put money into the NHS...but still haven't said who's going to foot the bill.
One thing Corbyn should have done last night when asked about the sums, would have been to ask for a show of hands. Who in the auidence earns more than £80k, because you're going to lose out. Would have got a wry smile from Dimbleby at least
clint van damme
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so you don't think every child deserves a chance? Veneuzela may have been a bad example to use but we're on the verge on denying children those entitlements in this country.
Classes of 35 plus from September, the dismantling of the NHS will deny them free health care - you happy with those things?
Sick Boy
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I would presume that he has sent/sends his children to private schools and has private healthcare, so probably doesn't care.
clint van damme
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it's hypocrisy.
Same as telling nurses there's no money for a pay rise and awarding yourself one.
Brighton Sky Blue
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chiefdave
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Odd coincidence that Venezuela gets mentioned on the same day its targeted by the Sun and Daily Mail.
Doesn't take much research to find that Corbyn, alongside many others, was in favour of Chavez implementing democracy to such an extent that Jimmy Carter proclaimed "As a matter of fact, of the 92 elections that we've monitored, I would say that the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world."
Carter of course was awarded the Nobel prize for work on election-monitoring.
The numbers being quoted are after things went haywire following Chavez death and that is a very familiar story of other countries, notably the US, interfering in an oil rich country.
Doesn't take much research to find that Corbyn, alongside many others, was in favour of Chavez implementing democracy to such an extent that Jimmy Carter proclaimed "As a matter of fact, of the 92 elections that we've monitored, I would say that the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world."
Carter of course was awarded the Nobel prize for work on election-monitoring.
The numbers being quoted are after things went haywire following Chavez death and that is a very familiar story of other countries, notably the US, interfering in an oil rich country.
skybluetony176
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I take your point and FWIW coming from a piece loving protestant northern Irish family I'm struggling to see the difference between Jeremy Corbyn communicating with them and John Major communicating with them. Ultimately communicating with them led to the good Friday piece agreement which I have witnessed first hand improve the life of my family immensely in every aspect. I can't slate anyone for taking steps to encourage piece when I've seen the benefit of that.
He's policies on renationalising Royal Mail, the railways etc are fucking mental though.
Ian1779
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Are you plugged into the Daily Mail mainframe?
Ian1779
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Why are they mental? If these companies turn a profit won't that be better back in the Treasury than in the pocket of a shareholder?
clint van damme
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Liked your post apart from the last line! Not sure why people are so against nationalised railways, other countries seem to do OK.
skybluetony176
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They turn a profit because they're not in the hands of the government, especially a labour government. British rail for instance was a disaster running on outdated rolling stock because we couldn't afford to invest in new and infrastructure so out of date and decaying for the same reason it had become a liability. Privatising the railways was largely if not wholly out of necessity to save it because we couldn't afford to after decades of underfunding by successive governments who couldn't afford to invest in it.
skybluetony176
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At what cost?
Ian1779
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So other countries have effective nationalised systems because they invest in it appropriately you say....
Brighton Sky Blue
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The country was on its knees financially and took decades to recover from bankrupting itself in WW2. We don't rely on IMF handouts as we did decades ago and are now one of the richest countries on the planet. We can, and would, do a better job than companies which return their profits back to foreign governments and provide poor service.
clint van damme
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to be honest, I've no idea, but doesn't improvement to infrastructure benefit the country as a whole?
If not why introduce HS2? How long will it take to recover the 52 billion?
Arguments for and against here:
Why not... nationalise the railways? - BBC News
chiefdave
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The cost is the UK taxpayer is paying for foreign countries public transport infrastructure as huge amounts in rail subsidies go to the likes of France, German, Dutch state owned operators. For example the West Coast line operator take an average of £100m a year in dividends whilst getting a subsidy of £500m.
Over 90% of funding is via taxpayers or government underwritten borrowing.In real terms the subsidy from taxpayers has increased since privatisation. We are paying more and getting less back in return. Higher fares and an unreliable service.
The McNulty Report found whole-system costs per passenger-km suggests in the UK would need to be reduced by 40% to reach the average of the four comparator countries.
The comparators were France, Switzerland, Sweden and the Netherlands, whose railways are publicly owned.
The best example is the East Coast mainline. When the private operator collapsed a publicly owned operating company, Directly Operated Railways took over.
They has received £0.46 of government funding per passenger mile, compared to £4.57 being received on the West Coast mainline. They also return the highest amount back to the government, over £1bn between 2009 when it was formed and the Conservatives privatising it again. Prior to re-privatisation DOR was delivering all-time record levels of punctuality and passenger satisfaction rates. Since being re-privatised those levels have dropped rapidly.
Captain Dart
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I'm underlining Corbyn's lack of judgement. Chavez destroyed Venezuelas economy, his strategy was deeply flawed now his country is in a total mess and infant mortality has increased by 100 in the last 4 years.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/how-the-political-left-has-destroyed-latin-america-a7033406.html
There has never been a country that should have been so rich but ended up this poor
Grendel
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So one minute it's education, next it's NHS and now we decide to plunder millions into re nationalising a rail service. Why not nationalise the car industry while we are at it.
stupot07
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May does, that's why she's bringing back crammer schools, so those that can afford private tuition and coaching for the 11+ can get a better education away from the riff raff.
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stupot07
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Of course we are
Britain's divided decade: the rich are 64% richer, and the poor 57% poorer
More billionaires than ever before on UK Rich List as super-rich get richer
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Grendel
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Which is no different to a postcode lottery system.
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westcountry_skyblue
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Corbyn and Abbott are career polititions never done a days work in their life.
Talking of schools,Are her kids still educated privately?
Pot and Kettle comes to mind.
Do as I say not as I do,They will never get the working mans vote while they are all on the front bench I'm afraid.
Just back to a protest party after thursday holding their placards shouting abuse at everyone who doesn't vote labour calling them racist's!!
Talking of schools,Are her kids still educated privately?
Pot and Kettle comes to mind.
Do as I say not as I do,They will never get the working mans vote while they are all on the front bench I'm afraid.
Just back to a protest party after thursday holding their placards shouting abuse at everyone who doesn't vote labour calling them racist's!!
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clint van damme
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careerist politicians? What, like johnson and may who were firmly behind remain until they sniffed a shot a number 10, or perhaps opportunist politicians is a better word.
I know who'll be getting this working mans vote.
I'm actually not a big fan of Abbot but I still prefer her to anyone in the current cabinet.
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clint van damme
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so are you saying a Corbyn lead government will be similar to a Blair lead government now?