General Election (16 Viewers)

[Liquid Gold]

No it's not. The left are desperate to reduce the voting age to 16 as they can brainwash the youth. They believe in togetherness and slogans and totally lack individual thought and are frightened of deviation from the "in movement"

I remember when I was a student in the 80's. I cannot remember the details but I ended up at representing my faculty in a student union political meeting. I sat through this stupid meeting at which various "protests" were discussed. At the time their was some curious obsession with Barclays Bank and apartheid. I could have pointed out the naivety of whatever they were arguing if they thought that banking and commerce in general didn't support the gold industry. I could have asked if they checked gold sources before wearing it. I couldn't me bothered and decided to frequently visit the bar

Next was some obscure images of people assassinated in a South American country - id guess Chile. Of course Cuba was far far worse but hey they were cool so I kept stum.

Now this was in Nottingham so we ended up with the real issue - the miners strike. Funds for miners, the struggle, protests and marches.

Anyway in the end someone asked me why I was there and did I have any ideas. So I said yes I've and idea let's organise a collection for the police who are facing a Marxist anarchic mob and that this is a class war which if the government loses all you and your children will suffer the consequences.

I think it dropped a few jaws - I was apparantly a Nazi and told to leave.

Ultimately the youth talky to causes and act like lemmings.

They wear silky T shirts with that man with the frank spencer hat. A man who along with his successor killed more than the man from chile and a man who wanted to intern gays and called blacks inferior. But he's cool he's left wing so I've got the T Shirt.

We saw on the question time programme some giggling idiot who said "I don't want to kill millions of people" with no understanding of the debate.

We have the left wing youth crying over Brexit who are so stupid they don't even know about Corbyn, the SWP and the Communist parties' utter abhorrence to the EU. They've never heard of the foot Benn era who in their manifesto demanded to leave.

They are easy pickings for Corbyn. Like the man with the funny hat they think he's cool, they think he's on their side. They are so dumb they don't realise he stands for everything their idealism would repell if they showed individual thought.

You are, without doubt, the most distasteful person I've ever had the displeasure to be in contact with.

 

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[chiefdave]

But on that basis its not just the youth you should stop voting. Large chunks of other age groups shouldn't be allowed either.

 

[Sick Boy]

He probably thinks voting should be restricted to men aged 50+ earning at least 100k a year.

 

[mrtrench]

No it's not. The left are desperate to reduce the voting age to 16 as they can brainwash the youth. They believe in togetherness and slogans and totally lack individual thought and are frightened of deviation from the "in movement"

I remember when I was a student in the 80's. I cannot remember the details but I ended up at representing my faculty in a student union political meeting. I sat through this stupid meeting at which various "protests" were discussed. At the time their was some curious obsession with Barclays Bank and apartheid. I could have pointed out the naivety of whatever they were arguing if they thought that banking and commerce in general didn't support the gold industry. I could have asked if they checked gold sources before wearing it. I couldn't me bothered and decided to frequently visit the bar

Next was some obscure images of people assassinated in a South American country - id guess Chile. Of course Cuba was far far worse but hey they were cool so I kept stum.

Now this was in Nottingham so we ended up with the real issue - the miners strike. Funds for miners, the struggle, protests and marches.

Anyway in the end someone asked me why I was there and did I have any ideas. So I said yes I've and idea let's organise a collection for the police who are facing a Marxist anarchic mob and that this is a class war which if the government loses all you and your children will suffer the consequences.

I think it dropped a few jaws - I was apparantly a Nazi and told to leave.

Ultimately the youth talky to causes and act like lemmings.

They wear silky T shirts with that man with the frank spencer hat. A man who along with his successor killed more than the man from chile and a man who wanted to intern gays and called blacks inferior. But he's cool he's left wing so I've got the T Shirt.

We saw on the question time programme some giggling idiot who said "I don't want to kill millions of people" with no understanding of the debate.

We have the left wing youth crying over Brexit who are so stupid they don't even know about Corbyn, the SWP and the Communist parties' utter abhorrence to the EU. They've never heard of the foot Benn era who in their manifesto demanded to leave.

They are easy pickings for Corbyn. Like the man with the funny hat they think he's cool, they think he's on their side. They are so dumb they don't realise he stands for everything their idealism would repell if they showed individual thought.

You know, back then I might have been one of the youff protesting against Barclays. Actually I'd still be against apartheid today. I understood nothing and would talk about Communism as if it were Nirvana. I distinctly remember sitting in a pub telling some friends that Russia was an exception and that nobody ever mentioned China, which was doing very well under Communism. A guy came over and asked me if I'd ever been to China and that the poverty was extreme. It smarted, but I couldn't argue because I knew nothing. But many years later, I think that was one of the key moments that spurred me on to research and think for myself. And lo and behold, I discovered that Mao was even worse than Stalin.

I ensure that my own daughter has access to real information to make her own mind up. But many of her friends spout the same bollocks that I did at 20. One of them appears to have a similar opinion to Pol Pot and wants to go for a barter economy.

 

[Grendel]

You are, without doubt, the most distasteful person I've ever had the displeasure to be in contact with.

Then you've clearly not had the unfortunate experience of meeting Dianne Abbott.

 

[Grendel]

He probably thinks voting should be restricted to men aged 50+ earning at least 100k a year.

No I think the views of the older generation should not be dismissed as the ideological left attempt to do.

 

[Sick Boy]

I went to one of the most left-wing universities in the country (Sussex) and while the majority were left-wing, those going on about Communism were very much in the minority.

 

[Sick Boy]

No I think the views of the older generation should not be dismissed as the ideological left attempt to do.

What about older left wing voters?

 

[clint van damme]

Im going for Conservative majority of about 10-20.

Complete waste of time effort and money.

I think tories with similar majority to this.
Social care, education and emergency services to take a battering, Brexit a disaster, no reduction in net migration, national security in crisis as May continues to ignore experts, tories increase margin in 2021 election, good old British public!

 

[Sick Boy]

I think that most people will definitely have had enough of them by the time the next election comes around.

I don't think that May will be PM this time next year though.

 

[clint van damme]

You know, back then I might have been one of the youff protesting against Barclays. Actually I'd still be against apartheid today. I understood nothing and would talk about Communism as if it were Nirvana. I distinctly remember sitting in a pub telling some friends that Russia was an exception and that nobody ever mentioned China, which was doing very well under Communism. A guy came over and asked me if I'd ever been to China and that the poverty was extreme. It smarted, but I couldn't argue because I knew nothing. But many years later, I think that was one of the key moments that spurred me on to research and think for myself. And lo and behold, I discovered that Mao was even worse than Stalin.

I ensure that my own daughter has access to real information to make her own mind up. But many of her friends spout the same bollocks that I did at 20. One of them appears to have a similar opinion to Pol Pot and wants to go for a barter economy.

funny you should mention pol pot, remind me again who was the British PM who refused to condemn the Khmer Rouge?

 

[Liquid Gold]

I think that most people will definitely have had enough of them by the time the next election comes around.

I don't think that May will be PM this time next year though.

From what I've been hearing the knives are already out for her. Only a crushing majority will mean she can keep her party in check.

 

[lifeskyblue]

From what I've been hearing the knives are already out for her. Only a crushing majority will mean she can keep her party in check.

I think without a majority of 40+ she will be under pressure.


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[Grendel]

From what I've been hearing the knives are already out for her. Only a crushing majority will mean she can keep her party in check.

What have you heard? From where?

 

[mrtrench]

From what I've been hearing the knives are already out for her. Only a crushing majority will mean she can keep her party in check.

I'm not surprised if true. She had a golden opportunity with this election and it looks like she's blown it. I want to see a Tory Government and I can see that her campaign has been dreadful. Why isn't she explaining how devastating Corbyn's policies would be?

 

[clint van damme]

I'm not surprised if true. She had a golden opportunity with this election and it looks like she's blown it. I want to see a Tory Government and I can see that her campaign has been dreadful. Why isn't she explaining how devastating Corbyn's policies would be?

she can't even explain her own policies let alone someone elses.

 

[Sick Boy]

I'm not surprised if true. She had a golden opportunity with this election and it looks like she's blown it. I want to see a Tory Government and I can see that her campaign has been dreadful. Why isn't she explaining how devastating Corbyn's policies would be?

She is incapable of doing so. She is unable to deviate away from her script and relies on soundbites and bullshit slogans.

Unless she achieves a large, increased majority she will be ousted. Her pathetic performance thus far means the plans are probably already in place.

 

[chiefdave]

Unless she achieves a large, increased majority she will be ousted. Her pathetic performance thus far means the plans are probably already in place.

And then there will be knock on consequences. As we keep being reminded Brexit negotiations are due to start and then there is the German elections, if we need to have a Conservative leadership election as well (and end up with a PM we haven't voted for which if they have a small majority may lead to pressure for another general election) we're going to be well in to the two years we have for negotiations with nothing having been achieved.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Really? Growing waiting lists? People dying on trolleys in corridors? Nurses relying on food banks? Sounds like a NHS in decline if you ask me while investment rises, not much granted but spending has increased.

It's also not that much more. Here's some figures available online.

Current health expenditure in the UK was 9.78 per cent of GDP in 2015. This compares to 16.91 per cent in the USA, 11.08 per cent in Germany, 11.01 per cent in France, 10.76 per cent in the Netherlands, 10.59 per cent in Denmark, 10.16 per cent in Canada, 9.05 per cent in Italy and 9.00 per cent in Spain.
Current expenditure per capita (using the purchasing power parity) for the UK was $4,015 in 2015. This can be compared to $9,451 in the USA, $5,343 in the Netherlands, $5,267 in Germany, $4,943 in Denmark, $4,614 in Canada, $4,415 in France, $3,272 in Italy and $3,153 in Spain.

Investment isn't rising you utter dope. It's not even keeping up with the increase in demand (o and I've worked in the NHS for 3 years so I know first hand)

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[rob9872]

Investment isn't rising you utter dope. It's not even keeping up with the increase in demand (o and I've worked in the NHS for 3 years so I know first hand)

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I worked in the NHS in finance and it was so fragmented that we didn't even know what other budgets were spent on and how other authorities distributed tier contracts so unless you have an exceptionally privileged position, I doubt very much that it has a bearing on your knowledge of the overall finances.

For clarity I'm not defending the spending or even arguing with your assumption that investment hasn't increased, merely that name calling and saying you work there doesn't offer you the upper hand over his alternative position.

I'd also add that I barely know anyone in the NHS who isn't anti Tory, it's bred in them to complain about pay, even the non medical staff which is where there is so much waste. Funding needs increasing for sure but only in the right areas and that's direct care not administration.

 

[rob9872]

Fwow may end up with eg on my face Friday but I think a 50+ majority. Polls alwas magically close mid election to appear interesting, I'll still be backing a landslide at 375+ seats. I've never been asked to participate in a poll nor anyone I know or who knows anyone else when ive asked so quite how they gauge changing public opinion I don't know. I'm sure they make the numbers up.

 

[dutchman]

My worst fear (and I hope I'm proved wrong) is that the media have totally fabricated this swing to Labour and that May was always going to win by a landslide majority.

 

[AngryAnt]

I'd also add that I barely know anyone in the NHS who isn't anti Tory, it's bred in them to complain about pay, even the non medical staff which is where there is so much waste. Funding needs increasing for sure but only in the right areas and that's direct care not administration.

Late to the party but as someone who worked in the NHS for 8+ years before leaving last year, I can't imagine anyone who works there to vote for the Tory party. It's not bred to complain, its having seen just how ruthless the cuts have been, every single department has had the scythe over them.
The hospital I worked at has gone from being a pretty good one, to deep into 'special measures' since the Tories have been in power.

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Personally I'm a liberal, but Corbyn seems to be an [semi] honest politician and unlike May at least he's willing to turn up to debates and engage with the public, while she just rattles on about being 'strong and stable'. The whole Tory party smack of arrogance, the idea of having a vote on fox hunting, the fact they've freely admitted (if you look at interviews) that their going to sell the NHS off, the idea of Boris being our 'Brexit man' rather than Keir Starmer QC.
I do think the Tories will win, but I don't think it will be as good of a result as they'd have thought at the start, May has seriously messed up and then she'll go about messing up the rest of the country all the while distracting with "Brexit!" when something hits the fan.

Judging by social media and facebook, it does seem to be the most tactical election I've seen, lots of people are pleading/encouraging friends to vote tactically so the Tories don't win.

That said, if Corbyn loses due to the whole nuclear debate that the papers have been pushing (and the older white men in the QT debates) then that's really a sorry state of affairs, because I'd rather have someone not push that button, than decide to blow the whole world up as the deterrent clearly failed.

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Sign up to yougov if you're interested in being polled, they send a questionnaire through every few days and it only takes 5 or 10 mins. I was fed up seeing "polls by X,Y,Z" and thinking "well they never asked me!".

 

[RegTheDonk]

No it's not. The left are desperate to reduce voting age to 16 as they can brainwash the youth. They believe in togetherness and slogans and totally lack individual thought and are frightened of deviation from the "in movement"

I remember when I was a student in the 80's. I cannot remember the details but I ended up at representing my faculty in a student union political meeting. I sat through this stupid meeting at which various "protests" were discussed. At the time their was some curious obsession with Barclays Bank and apartheid. I could have pointed out the naivety of whatever they were arguing if they thought that banking and commerce in general didn't support the gold industry. I could have asked if they checked gold sources before wearing it. I couldn't me bothered and decided to frequently visit the bar

Next was some obscure images of people assassinated in a South American country - id guess Chile. Of course Cuba was far far worse but hey they were cool so I kept stum.

Now this was in Nottingham so we ended up with the real issue - the miners strike. Funds for miners, the struggle, protests and marches.

Anyway in the end someone asked me why I was there and did I have any ideas. So I said yes I've and idea let's organise a collection for the police who are facing a Marxist anarchic mob and that this is a class war which if the government loses all you and your children will suffer the consequences.

I think it dropped a few jaws - I was apparantly a Nazi and told to leave.

Ultimately the youth talky to causes and act like lemmings.

They wear silky T shirts with that man with the frank spencer hat. A man who along with his successor killed more than the man from chile and a man who wanted to intern gays and called blacks inferior. But he's cool he's left wing so I've got the T Shirt.

We saw on the question time programme some giggling idiot who said "I don't want to kill millions of people" with no understanding of the debate.

We have the left wing youth crying over Brexit who are so stupid they don't even know about Corbyn, the SWP and the Communist parties' utter abhorrence to the EU. They've never heard of the foot Benn era who in their manifesto demanded to leave.

They are easy pickings for Corbyn. Like the man with the funny hat they think he's cool, they think he's on their side. They are so dumb they don't realise he stands for everything their idealism would repell if they showed individual thought.

Perhas they would be easy pickinng for May if Dave and Nick hadn't shafted them. They also stand the chance of having to pay back those fees once the loans are passed over to the heavy mob.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

This election is very interesting indeed. It was there for May to absolute smash but all she's done is fuck it up. In fact, I don't think there has been a single positive thing she has done during this campaign. A one horse race now very much seems not to be the case.

I have to admit, I am finding quite a lot of sneering from Labour voters at the moment though. Most just want the best for the country and are very respectful, but I have to say there is also a lot of arrogance and it does remind me of Brexit a bit. I certainly think the reaction if they don't win will be a bit of a meltdown.

I did the test on policies and got mostly Labour and Lib Dem for education and health etc, but immigration and defense was mostly Tory or UKIP. There was no overall definitive answer on who I should vote for, and I think that is actually the feeling for a lot of people. It's a case of which do you care about more, the NHS, free school meals, the economy, or a crack down on terror.

I think Labour do actually have a chance of winning this, but then again, the media coverage seems to have swung towards Corbyn at this current moment in time, and also everywhere you look, particularly social media, you can see JC4PM and profile pictures changed to 'vote labour' everywhere. Therefore I have no real idea what the outcome will be.

One thing is for sure though, I imagine it will be a lot closer than people imagined it would be when the election was first called.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

This election is very interesting indeed. It was there for May to absolute smash but all she's done is fuck it up. In fact, I don't think there has been a single positive thing she has done during this campaign. A one horse race now very much seems not to be the case.

I have to admit, I am finding quite a lot of sneering from Labour voters at the moment though. Most just want the best for the country and are very respectful, but I have to say there is also a lot of arrogance and it does remind me of Brexit a bit. I certainly think the reaction if they don't win will be a bit of a meltdown.

I did the test on policies and got mostly Labour and Lib Dem for education and health etc, but immigration and defense was mostly Tory or UKIP. There was no overall definitive answer on who I should vote for, and I think that is actually the feeling for a lot of people. It's a case of which do you care about more, the NHS, free school meals, the economy, or a crack down on terror.

I think Labour do actually have a chance of winning this, but then again, the media coverage seems to have swung towards Corbyn at this current moment in time, and also everywhere you look, particularly social media, you can see JC4PM and profile pictures changed to 'vote labour' everywhere. Therefore I have no real idea what the outcome will be.

One thing is for sure though, I imagine it will be a lot closer than people imagined it would be when the election was first called.

Interesting that a former senior aide to Cameron is blaming May for the recent attacks, and Corbyn is asking her to go regardless of the election result.

How this narrative plays could, actually, end up deciding the election. You'd assume nutters attacking others wouldm mean a boost for the Tories, but if this narrative takes hold in time...

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Interesting that a former senior aide to Cameron is blaming May for the recent attacks, and Corbyn is asking her to go regardless of the election result.

How this narrative plays could, actually, end up deciding the election. You'd assume nutters attacking others wouldm mean a boost for the Tories, but if this narrative takes hold in time...

Agree, it is actually rather strange. I can see where the argument comes from, and the Tories rightly deserve criticism.

I do think it's odd that people are saying Corbyn and his team would be a better option to fight terrorism though. I think that's desperate at best. Labour have some good policies, but not on this.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Interesting that a former senior aide to Cameron is blaming May for the recent attacks, and Corbyn is asking her to go regardless of the election result.

How this narrative plays could, actually, end up deciding the election. You'd assume nutters attacking others wouldm mean a boost for the Tories, but if this narrative takes hold in time...

I still think the whole conspiracy of Conservatives trying to lose the election is still bonkers but when you have aides to Cameron saying May should resign you have to wonder what the fuck is going on in CCHQ. Like I said the way the election has gone means conservatives will be out for May if the result doesn't go well for them but now it looks as though they're trying to sabotage the result before it happens.

 

[clint van damme]

This election is very interesting indeed. It was there for May to absolute smash but all she's done is fuck it up. In fact, I don't think there has been a single positive thing she has done during this campaign. A one horse race now very much seems not to be the case.

I have to admit, I am finding quite a lot of sneering from Labour voters at the moment though. Most just want the best for the country and are very respectful, but I have to say there is also a lot of arrogance and it does remind me of Brexit a bit. I certainly think the reaction if they don't win will be a bit of a meltdown.

I did the test on policies and got mostly Labour and Lib Dem for education and health etc, but immigration and defense was mostly Tory or UKIP. There was no overall definitive answer on who I should vote for, and I think that is actually the feeling for a lot of people. It's a case of which do you care about more, the NHS, free school meals, the economy, or a crack down on terror.

I think Labour do actually have a chance of winning this, but then again, the media coverage seems to have swung towards Corbyn at this current moment in time, and also everywhere you look, particularly social media, you can see JC4PM and profile pictures changed to 'vote labour' everywhere. Therefore I have no real idea what the outcome will be.

One thing is for sure though, I imagine it will be a lot closer than people imagined it would be when the election was first called.

given what has emerged this weekend I don't know how you can consider May a safer bet with regard security. I can't stand the woman and think she's a poor politician but even I'm amazed by some of the incompetence that is starting to be exposed.

The alternative doesn't inspire me to be honest either. I don't think Abbott is up to the task.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Agree, it is actually rather strange. I can see where the argument comes from, and the Tories rightly deserve criticism.

I do think it's odd that people are saying Corbyn and his team would be a better option to fight terrorism though. I think that's desperate at best. Labour have some good policies, but not on this.

Of course you could argue that an increase in funding to the police, whilst a change in approach towards international relations, is exactly what is needed.

Now we could debate whether Corbyn's change in approach is what's needed (and I suspect we're all entrenched in that) but the general principal isn't entirely stupid...

 

[clint van damme]

I still think the whole conspiracy of Conservatives trying to lose the election is still bonkers but when you have aides to Cameron saying May should resign you have to wonder what the fuck is going on in CCHQ.

they've always been a bunch of back biting back stabbers, (most political parties are), but their great skill has been keeping a lid on it all leading up to elections and putting on a united front.

 

[Liquid Gold]

given what has emerged this weekend I don't know how you can consider May a safer bet with regard security. I can't stand the woman and think she's a poor politician but even I'm amazed by some of the incompetence that is starting to be exposed.

The alternative doesn't inspire me to be honest either. I don't think Abbott is up to the task.

If by some miracle Labour formed the next government Abbott would be Home Sec for about 15 minutes before she made some gaff, resigns and a more competent backbencher who was previously suspicious of Corbyn would step forward

 

[Deleted member 5849]

and think she's a poor politician

I actually didn't think she was bad, as a politician, before this election. Disagreed with her policies, had seen some glaring errors, but compared to some of the alternatives (Boris!) she seemed at least experienced and moderate, without being prone to leftfield craziness.

This election has been spectacularly poor by her, though. Worst showing by a leader since Michael Foot?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

If by some miracle Labour formed the next government Abbott would be Home Sec for about 15 minutes before she made some gaff, resigns and a more competent backbencher who was previously suspicious of Corbyn would step forward

The frustrating thing is the manifesto could have had some of the senior parliamentary MPs right behind it, I reckon. There's never been any need for Abbot to be there!

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

given what has emerged this weekend I don't know how you can consider May a safer bet with regard security. I can't stand the woman and think she's a poor politician but even I'm amazed by some of the incompetence that is starting to be exposed.

The alternative doesn't inspire me to be honest either. I don't think Abbott is up to the task.

That's my point Clint. I think they are both shit and won't combat it one bit.

I don't think May is good, all I'm saying is that everyone wetting themselves on The Independent's comment section this lunchtime need to get a grip if they think Labour are going to be more effective in combating terrorism.