covcity4life
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alot of people who earn less than 30k a year tell me they are voting conservatives lol
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Really don't think so.
Still, at least this time I'm resigned to it. The last election was a true horror as I had genuine hopes of a Labour government!
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Everyone's entitled to their opinion I guess.
Liquid Gold
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I think some of the debate on here has been a fair bit better than in the media and between politicians. We should get a pat on the back.
Liquid Gold
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Any idea which way you're leaning and what do you expect the result to be?
I'm going to stick a fiver on 50-100 majority for the Tories.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Depends what your priority is cc4life.
I think a lot of people in that category know they'll be voting for themselves to be worse off but still see it as a better option than the alternative are offering overall, for whatever reasons that might be.
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They are... which is why people defend some things.
Tell you what I do find interesting, is very few (both on the media and on here - with the notable exception of mrtrench, who i suspect would cheerfully do a financial argument for weeks and weeks
) go for the Labour manifesto. it's very personal.And that, to me, suggests worry.
It also worries me, from a personal POV, that scare tactics work. Instead of embracing a positive change, it's well at least we know where we are with what we've got.
lifeskyblue
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As if we didn't know already...we are doomed whoever is pm tomorrow morning.
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Astute
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Is that right? So I should ignore my family to have a debate on if any of them are worth my vote? I say none of them are. Others like yourself pretend there is nothing wrong with Corbyn or the Labour party. But nobody can name any Labour MP's to take them forward. Come out with any problem with a Labour MP and the reply is finding a Tory one which has done something similar so the Labour one hasn't done anything wrong. Then the back pattiing starts. But pick a fault with a Tory MP and all we get is the back patting straight away.
I don't know what is so hard about admitting that all parties are not worth voting for.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I really don't know LG. I almost cannot bring myself to vote for any of them. Everytime I think I'm set I come up with 100 reasons not to vote for them and change my mind.
Never been so undecided in my life.
Was thinking of puttinf a fiver on Corbyn though.
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.,..wondering how many times I have to repeat the Corbyn condemning the IRA quotes before someone actually notices...
Otis
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Astute
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Even more worrying is the two main parties don't seem to have a grip on anything. And the Lib Dems were a spent force as soon as they jumped into bed with the Tories.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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They are... which is why people defend some things.
Tell you what I do find interesting, is very few (both on the media and on here - with the notable exception of mrtrench, who i suspect would cheerfully do a financial argument for weeks and weeks
And that, to me, suggests worry.
It also worries me, from a personal POV, that scare tactics work. Instead of embracing a positive change, it's well at least we know where we are with what we've got.
I think the Labour manifesto is definitely better, I just cannot see them fulfilling it.
I had a really interesting conversation last night with a guy from Warwickshire police I play football with on a Wednesday and I was hoping he might fill me with a bit more confidence to vote labour, but he actually turned round and said their pledge of 10,000 extra police officers was bullshit that could never be achieved.
He's very high up there and I was really shocked at his reaction. I honestly thought he'd be all for it. However the Tories are still going through cuts so it goes back to the drawing board for Earlsdon!
lifeskyblue
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As with all elections, all parties and all leaders. If you want to stay blind you never open your eyes. Many People still see Corbyn as they did 7 weeks ago. Others still see May as she projected herself when calling the election.
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covcity4life
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they will be same sort who voted for brexit i imagine. think that immigration is gonna come to a halt
tbf they all lie, and our leaders are not big characters like in the US(trump aside), its a very boring thing wheras the slection in america is huge for everyone.
i will decide if im gonna vote when i get home from work. probably labour but i dunno for sure.
Otis
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I think I am going to vote Labour purely based on the fact that when Eddie Izzard was asked how he would describe Teresa May he said she was 'wibbly wobbly.'
Nick
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What baffles me is people saying you have to go and vote etc etc. What do you actually do if you think all of them are full of shit?
Celebrities going all out telling people who to vote for, no doubt people will vote for somebody based on what a celeb on twitter tells them to do.
Celebrities going all out telling people who to vote for, no doubt people will vote for somebody based on what a celeb on twitter tells them to do.
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Does any party ever fulfill everything in their manifesto during one term?
However, as an aspiration, a beginning, a start... and to get some foundations to actually build on going forward, I'd be far more confident with a Labour government.
As it happens, i think this election is one it may be no bad thing for them to lose, long-term, as long as they get fairly close in seats... but five more years of current policy will have ground our public services down even more, meaning there's further to climb next time, making it even harder to fulfill everything in a manifesto.
Astute
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Yes we know what we have got with the Tories. But we don't know what we are going to get with them over the next term.They are... which is why people defend some things.
Tell you what I do find interesting, is very few (both on the media and on here - with the notable exception of mrtrench, who i suspect would cheerfully do a financial argument for weeks and weeks
And that, to me, suggests worry.
It also worries me, from a personal POV, that scare tactics work. Instead of embracing a positive change, it's well at least we know where we are with what we've got.
lifeskyblue
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If you can't give your vote to any of them you can spoil your ballot. Shows you do want to engage and do want to vote but unfortunately no one, in your opinion, worth voting for.
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Otis
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I dream of earning less than 30,000.
Grendel
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They are... which is why people defend some things.
Tell you what I do find interesting, is very few (both on the media and on here - with the notable exception of mrtrench, who i suspect would cheerfully do a financial argument for weeks and weeks
And that, to me, suggests worry.
It also worries me, from a personal POV, that scare tactics work. Instead of embracing a positive change, it's well at least we know where we are with what we've got.
The labour manifesto is a horror show. The level of borrowing and the amount of state ownership are st record levels. The hiking of corporation tax will cause widespread chaos and generate nowhere near the revenue needed.
The IFS have slammed it as being dishonest on tax increases and financially irresponsible. It doesn't even deliver enough spending to meet NHS requirements.
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Spoil your ballot paper.
At least you'll be counted in the turnout figures, and at least you'll contribute to a suggestion that they are all indeed rubbish and that you're not happy with the status quo.
Not turning out suggests you're happy with things carrying on as they are (which you might be, of course!).
torchomatic
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I gave you names. Starmer, Cooper, Smith, Lewis are all good politicians and would do a fine job in Government.
Nick
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Do you just scribble on it? Might do that.
There's that "you must be happy with" line
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There'll be more, too.
Both tarnished themselves drastically, which brought about their downfall, but there's little denying, objectively, that both Blair and Cameron were good leaders for their party, able to effect change and get their parties back into government after a long spell away. Neither had had particularly lengthy times before however, building a reputation. Both were carried through on momentum, both could have been said to be inexperienced.
Both Labour and the Conservatives will be needing a leader soon-ish, and it might come from an unexpected source... maybe even somebody elected in this election!
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Yeah, do whatever you want. Write SISU Out! over it if you like, knock yourself out... it's anonymous, after allDo you just scribble on it? Might do that.
There's that "you must be happy with" line
Astute
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This is my problem. I have only ever voted Labour before. But I don't have the slightest confidence in the present lot. Tories are only out for the rich. The rest are a wasted vote unless in a marginal seat. This is the worse election I have ever known.
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It's not a wasted vote. Look at the extra coverage UKIP get this election, thanks to a higher %age last time out. That, then, gives them a platform to say their policies. In addition, it means the next time around, people might not think it's a wasted vote.
Astute
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Just write your name on the form. It doesn't get counted then.
clint van damme
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that's the thing though. Labour may not fulfil their election pledges, but the tories are currently actively working against at least 75% of what they are stating in their manifesto, particularly in the areas of health, education and security.
clint van damme
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he did. On Sky. But because he condemned both them and loyalist paramilitaries it doesn't seem to count.
Nick
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clint van damme
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The IFS actually said this about the increase in education budget funded by the rise in corporation tax, (there may be an article elsewhere regarding this I didn't find it):
Labour have promised significant increases in education spending. If the additional £8.4 billion, of which £4.8 billion is for schools, is spent well then it will make a positive difference. And the latest economic evidence from the US suggests boosts to school spending can improve pupil attainment and their earnings. There is, however, much we still don’t know about Labour’s plans. What are their plans for early years, tuition fees, or spending in sixth forms and further education colleges?
Key bit in bold for me, defund education so the money keeps sloshing it's way up to the top 5% or invest in our youth for a better future.