General Election (4 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

Yeah, I'm not taking anything away from them at all.

I'm just saying if the Conservatives had an organised and strong campaign, Corbyn wouldn't have had a chance. It was a one horse race and they fucked it up, for that they only have themselves to blame.

the thing is, no matter how strong their campaign had been, people are seeing, and living, with the effects of their swingeing austerity measures.
The fact that one trench of their cuts, to the police, was tragically brought into focus by events in Manchester and London during the campaign didn't help.

 

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[clint van damme]

View attachment 7584 Just about the best picture of the night.

is that the skybluetalk forum meet up?

 

[Philosoraptor]

is that the skybluetalk forum meet up?

Still working out how it is possible to be to the left of Elmo.

 

[Covstu]

View attachment 7584 Just about the best picture of the night.

Is that the knights of say ni?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

the thing is, no matter how strong their campaign had been, people are seeing, and living, with the effects of their swingeing austerity measures.
The fact that one trench of their cuts, to the police, was tragically brought into focus by events in Manchester and London during the campaign didn't help.

The cuts have been too much, but they had not a lot to do with the terror attacks.

As I said, the 10,000 police officer pledge is bollocks, and it is surprising people can't see that Labour weakness on immigration etc will just make it worse anyway.

At the end of the day if Labour had a different leader they would have won it, and probably if the Conservatives had a different leader they would have won it.

They were both pretty shit and they cancelled each other out.

 

[clint van damme]

The cuts have been too much, but they had not a lot to do with the terror attacks.

As I said, the 10,000 police officer pledge is bollocks, and it is surprising people can't see that Labour weakness on immigration etc will just make it worse anyway.

At the end of the day if Labour had a different leader they would have won it, and probably if the Conservatives had a different leader they would have won it.

They were both pretty shit and they cancelled each other out.

That's not what senior police officers told May.

How are Labour weak on immigration - the policy in their manifesto sounded pretty good to me, whether people trust them to implement it is another matter.
The tories have missed every one of their net immigration targets.

 

[stupot07]

I think they kept it simple, the offer was simple and was delivered in that fashion. Tories threw mud which backfired

Tories always throw mud, its their MO.

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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

That's not what senior police officers told May.

How are Labour weak on immigration - the policy in their manifesto sounded pretty good to me, whether people trust them to implement it is another matter.
The tories have missed every one of their net immigration targets.

I'm not talking about the Tories.

I do not trust Labour with their woolly immigration stance, as I do not trust them with their police officer pledge. As I said, I play football with someone very high up in Warwickshire police, and despite my thoughts that he would be quite pro labour, he said their pledge in the manifesto was utter bullshit.

Anyway, it's all well and good having more police officers. If Labour were in power you are going to need them. Not that that will happen.

 

[clint van damme]

I'm not talking about the Tories.

I do not trust Labour with their woolly immigration stance, as I do not trust them with their police officer pledge. As I said, I play football with someone very high up in Warwickshire police, and despite my thoughts that he would be quite pro labour, he said their pledge in the manifesto was utter bullshit.

Anyway, it's all well and good having more police officers. If Labour were in power you are going to need them. Not that that will happen.

That's fair enough, but that is to do with your mistrust of them to deliver rather than the actual policies they have laid out.

It's the same with me, the tory manifesto isn't too bad, but I know they won't deliver. The difference is I have watched this government not deliver for the last 7 years.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I'm not talking about the Tories.

I do not trust Labour with their woolly immigration stance, as I do not trust them with their police officer pledge. As I said, I play football with someone very high up in Warwickshire police, and despite my thoughts that he would be quite pro labour, he said their pledge in the manifesto was utter bullshit.

Anyway, it's all well and good having more police officers. If Labour were in power you are going to need them. Not that that will happen.

The Tories made manifesto commitments to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands. During the last 7 years it has been at record levels.

Their strong rhetoric isn't backed up with any workable plan. They talk about immigration and law and order whilst simultaneously cutting state resource that deals with it, and Tory voting mugs fall for it every time.

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[Astute]

View attachment 7584 Just about the best picture of the night.

Second funniest thing of the election. Only second to May refusing to stand down.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

I watched the one on iplayer about the building of the severn bridge last night. riveting.

They used bolts...huge bolts...not rivets

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[SkyblueBazza]

Think labour might have lost Walsall


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No - it's still there, unfortunately

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[SkyblueBazza]

May looks stunned and imagine dressing in red what a twat

She didn't show her twat?
Please God NO!

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[ovduk78]

Well that went better than I could have hoped for. Hopefully the SNP losing 21 seats and down to 37% of the vote will stop Jimmy Crankie pushing for a 2nd referendum, Salmond & Robertson losing was a bonus. I had a real dilemna voting and even though the conservative candidate in Stirling had a chance of beating the SNP I couldn't bring myself to vote for him and voted with my conscience, the conservative candidate overturned a 10,000 majority to just win

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Yeah, I'm not taking anything away from them at all.

I'm just saying if the Conservatives had an organised and strong campaign, Corbyn wouldn't have had a chance. It was a one horse race and they fucked it up, for that they only have themselves to blame.

True, but then the election was called from a position of strength, and you'd expect come the next one it'll be a position of weakness.

Could actually be the ideal result for Labour...

 

[Astute]

True, but then the election was called from a position of strength, and you'd expect come the next one it'll be a position of weakness.

Could actually be the ideal result for Labour...

Personally I think that there were no winners. Labour missed a big chance to win. The Tories didn't even show up. UKIP lost lots of votes :smuggrin: The SNP and Sturgeon have had a wake-up call. Cleggy has gone. And best of all May is now in charge of a weakened government after taking the British people for granted.

 

[Sick Boy]

She is so desperate to cling onto power and is refusing to resign, does she have no dignity?

 

[Otis]

She is so desperate to cling onto power and is refusing to resign, does she have no dignity?

I've seen her now in a number of different outfits, so, no.

 

[ovduk78]

Personally I think that there were no winners. Labour missed a big chance to win. The Tories didn't even show up. UKIP lost lots of votes :smuggrin: The SNP and Sturgeon have had a wake-up call. Cleggy has gone. And best of all May is now in charge of a weakened government after taking the British people for granted.

Yet there are 2 losers, the SNP and Theresa May. To call an election to be held 11 before Brexit negotiations start to try and increase the majority and lose seats is a massive fuck up. Not sure how this will affect the negotiations, personally I would prefer a soft brexit or not one at all

 

[Grendel]

She is so desperate to cling onto power and is refusing to resign, does she have no dignity?

She can't resign. She will have to carry on - she should actually take up labours kind offer to run the country.

That won't happen.

She is the most popular leader in terms of the overall vote for 16 years.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The Tories made manifesto commitments to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands. During the last 7 years it has been at record levels.

Their strong rhetoric isn't backed up with any workable plan. They talk about immigration and law and order whilst simultaneously cutting state resource that deals with it, and Tory voting mugs fall for it every time.

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Mugs? You're better than that.

The Tories haven't kept their promise on immigration, but you think someone like Corbyn will do better at keeping the wrong people out? Not a chance.

 

[Kingokings204]

But hasn't Tory won by around 55 seats to labour still? So they need like 9 seats to form a government. It wouldn't shock me because they only need so little seats that they will still take the power grab and form a government for 5 years.

 

[hotrod]

Corbyn refused to resign following a vote of no confidence when 172 out of 212 of Labour MPs wanted him to resign, so it is a bit hypocritical of him to suggest that May should resign.

Regards.

 

[clint van damme]

True, but then the election was called from a position of strength, and you'd expect come the next one it'll be a position of weakness.

Could actually be the ideal result for Labour...

totally agree. I think Brexit will be a car crash, you don't want to be the party with that on your CV, hence my tin foil hat conspiracy theory that the tories tried to lose the election.

 

[Grendel]

But hasn't Tory won by around 55 seats to labour still? So they need like 9 seats to form a government. It wouldn't shock me because they only need so little seats that they will still take the power grab and form a government for 5 years.

They will form a government.
You don't need 326 seats anyway and the UDP will side with them.

In the end though her position is untenable. She ran a campaign which at best was apathetic. She didn't actually lose votes but the collapse of UKIP and its transfer of votes into the south she didn't calculate for.

Mr Corbyn performed well but in truth a proper leader would have bought them back to power.

Its not a good result for anyone but many of her party will not forgone her and she will not get a lot of legislation through.

 

[Johnnythespider]

Labour have done well, but this is on the Conservatives.

If they'd even had an average campaign they would have scraped a majority. Before people get too carried away I think it needs to be realised that this was the Tories who fucked this up rather than Labour perfroming miracles.

Not taking anything away from Labour though. May however, needs to be fucked off!

Do you remember when City used to beat Man Utd or Liverpool and then on
Match Of The Day they would say it was because they had played badly and not that City had played well. Well that !!!
Corbyn has been brilliant during this election, he has appeared assured and full of conviction for his views, he has made May look like the grey bland jelly that she is. He has increased Labour's vote % to levels not seen since Attlee.



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[clint van damme]

Corbyn refused to resign following a vote of no confidence when 172 out of 212 of Labour MPs wanted him to resign, so it is a bit hypocritical of him to suggest that May should resign.

Regards.

but he didn't call the party leadership election to strengthen his position, that's what May did and it has back fired.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

totally agree. I think Brexit will be a car crash, you don't want to be the party with that on your CV, hence my tin foil hat conspiracy theory that the tories tried to lose the election.

Yup. Even if we get a reasonable deal, it still won't be enough for som, who have a bizarre thought that the EU will roll over an give us everything we want. And that some could now be the tipping point...

 

[Ian1779]

She is the most popular leader in terms of the overall vote for 16 years.

That's like saying Kim Jong-Un is the most popular leader in North Korea...

 

[Ian1779]

Corbyn refused to resign following a vote of no confidence when 172 out of 212 of Labour MPs wanted him to resign, so it is a bit hypocritical of him to suggest that May should resign.

Regards.

Yes because those rebels thought the Tory-lite way was the future....

The electorate have said otherwise.

 

[Grendel]

That's like saying Kim Jong-Un is the most popular leader in North Korea...

Well it isn't because the voting public have made her so.

 

[Grendel]

Yes because those rebels thought the Tory-lite way was the future....

The electorate have said otherwise.

Mr Corbyns policies have been rejected by the electorate.

 

[Ian1779]

Well it isn't because the voting public have made her so.

The voting public have unequivocally said that her party are not wanted to run this country.

 

[Grendel]

Perhaps Jeremy can call on his friends to help him form a government. A favour for all his help in the past.